Bitmain launches the Z9 Equihash miner

[greyday]

dmwardjr,

Thank you for your concern and effort to make us all aware of the perils of doing business with Bitmain.  I think we all get it now after the multiple so many pages and posts.  Can we move on now?  I'm sure there are better things you could do with your day/s.  What do you need to hear from the members of this topic for you to back off a little and let other folks express their opinions without your commentary?

I would really love to hear from some folks that already have their units and are running them?  Early (LUCKY) owners of Z9's pls share.

Thank you!

If you go back several pages, a couple of us reported in on Thursday/Friday, but I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

Any other pools other than Antpool working yet?

Yup. I started a new thread specifically for those results/testing (and to keep the info above all the trolling and infighting):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4404847

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[greyday]

dmwardjr,

Thank you for your concern and effort to make us all aware of the perils of doing business with Bitmain.  I think we all get it now after the multiple so many pages and posts.  Can we move on now?  I'm sure there are better things you could do with your day/s.  What do you need to hear from the members of this topic for you to back off a little and let other folks express their opinions without your commentary?

I would really love to hear from some folks that already have their units and are running them?  Early (LUCKY) owners of Z9's pls share.

Thank you!

If you go back several pages, a couple of us reported in on Thursday/Friday, but I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

Any other pools other than Antpool working yet?

why is no other pool working?  Was it specified by Bitmain?

I don't know, but there are more pools working today than a couple days ago, and one user reported the Suprnova Zen pool is now working (I haven't tested that one personally yet, but I have no reason to doubt it). My guess is it's a poolside issue, not one with the miners, perhaps based on the higher hashrate or something to do with difficulty levels. Pools that have a "rig farm" port tend to be more successful than ones that only have CPU, GPU, and Nicehash, but that's just an observation, nothing conclusive about it.

[Junmity]

dmwardjr,

Thank you for your concern and effort to make us all aware of the perils of doing business with Bitmain.  I think we all get it now after the multiple so many pages and posts.  Can we move on now?  I'm sure there are better things you could do with your day/s.  What do you need to hear from the members of this topic for you to back off a little and let other folks express their opinions without your commentary?

I would really love to hear from some folks that already have their units and are running them?  Early (LUCKY) owners of Z9's pls share.

Thank you!

If you go back several pages, a couple of us reported in on Thursday/Friday, but I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

Any other pools other than Antpool working yet?

Yup. I started a new thread specifically for those results/testing (and to keep the info above all the trolling and infighting):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4404847

Thank you Greyday,

Very much appreciated!

[greyday]

Thank you Greyday,

Very much appreciated!

Happy to help! I've learned so much from this forum, it's nice to be able to give back a tiny bit.

[dmwardjr]

dmwardjr,

Thank you for your concern and effort to make us all aware of the perils of doing business with Bitmain.  I think we all get it now after the multiple so many pages and posts.  Can we move on now?  I'm sure there are better things you could do with your day/s.  What do you need to hear from the members of this topic for you to back off a little and let other folks express their opinions without your commentary?

I would really love to hear from some folks that already have their units and are running them?  Early (LUCKY) owners of Z9's pls share.

Thank you!

I will CONTINUE to provide UPDATES as they arise.  Such as Bitmain revealing they have a Z9 (not "mini").  Expect more to come as more light is shed on the subject of forks, etc...

[dmwardjr]

Looks like the Z9 (Non-mini) will be about 30-40 KH/s or so.

According to the Bitmain tweet

https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/1002814753469706245

So basically equivalent to about ~133 Radeon R9 280X.

Looks like the Nvidia people are going to be upset also.

I really don't understand what the big deal is, the power draw will probably also be 3-4x as well, likely the only difference will be the upfront price per kS/s.

Not to mention they already had the Z9 (not "mini") [More than likely] since the fall of 2017 [Gaining majority control of Equihash hash rate] THEN R&D for the Z9 "mini" to sell to unwary home and farm miners.

I'm quite certain they also have an S11 mining BTC and BCH as we speak.  But you won't see those until they finish so-called "testing" of them over a 6 to 12 month period.  ROFL...

I'm getting back to work in the mining room remodel for better heat dissipation.  I'll drop back by later.

Cheers,

 

[ltcsprite]

dmwardjr,

Thank you for your concern and effort to make us all aware of the perils of doing business with Bitmain.  I think we all get it now after the multiple so many pages and posts.  Can we move on now?  I'm sure there are better things you could do with your day/s.  What do you need to hear from the members of this topic for you to back off a little and let other folks express their opinions without your commentary?

I would really love to hear from some folks that already have their units and are running them?  Early (LUCKY) owners of Z9's pls share.

Thank you!

I will CONTINUE to provide UPDATES as they arise.  Such as Bitmain revealing they have a Z9 (not "mini").  Expect more to come as more light is shed on the subject of forks, etc...

Was this some kind of revelation in your world?   They literally named it the mini.   Which, unless you're full blown retarded, would allude to the fact that it's the mini version, and that a bigger version exists.  

You are a very special person.  

You need to start a blog bro, you're good at blogging.   Put those wasted keystrokes to use on a blog, pal.

I see you on every single site and twitter and everywhere else blowing up and raging on the Z9.    Dude actually retweets Alex Jones and other nonsense.  

It's actually QUITE pathetic at this point SIR!

MOST likely the Z9 mini has a CHIP planted inside that reads our thoughts and forwards them to LITTLE Davey.

[adaseb]

With the recent 51% attacks on Bitcoin Gold and ZenCash earlier today, I think there is a large amount of these miners already out there.

The Zencash attack was at least 58MH/s so that would be about 100,000 of the latest Nvidia GPUs or about ~ 1450 of these non-mini ASICs.

Most likely with these attacks going on, many of these Equihash coins will have no choice but to fork.

[cryptotore]

With the recent 51% attacks on Bitcoin Gold and ZenCash earlier today, I think there is a large amount of these miners already out there.

The Zencash attack was at least 58MH/s so that would be about 100,000 of the latest Nvidia GPUs or about ~ 1450 of these non-mini ASICs.

Most likely with these attacks going on, many of these Equihash coins will have no choice but to fork.

So  what you are saying is that a company/government/someone with money at any time could have gotten secret asics built and ruined these coins if they wanted to, right?
This is what makes GPUs weak IMO. The fact that someone can produce an asic in silence and take over the network at any time.

Am I wrong about this?

[dmwardjr]

With the recent 51% attacks on Bitcoin Gold and ZenCash earlier today, I think there is a large amount of these miners already out there.

The Zencash attack was at least 58MH/s so that would be about 100,000 of the latest Nvidia GPUs or about ~ 1450 of these non-mini ASICs.

Most likely with these attacks going on, many of these Equihash coins will have no choice but to fork.

So  what you are saying is that a company/government/someone with money at any time could have gotten secret asics built and ruined these coins if they wanted to, right?
This is what makes GPUs weak IMO. The fact that someone can produce an asic in silence and take over the network at any time.

Am I wrong about this?

Most developers of Equihash coins simply learned a lesson about their first attempt at an ASIC resistant algo.  It's that simple.  No big deal...

Meet PROG Proof of Work:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6B-ZCyP6K8&t=4s  It's able to render both ASIC's and FPGA's to be on an even keel [For the most part] with GPU's. 

[dmwardjr]

dmwardjr,

Thank you for your concern and effort to make us all aware of the perils of doing business with Bitmain.  I think we all get it now after the multiple so many pages and posts.  Can we move on now?  I'm sure there are better things you could do with your day/s.  What do you need to hear from the members of this topic for you to back off a little and let other folks express their opinions without your commentary?

I would really love to hear from some folks that already have their units and are running them?  Early (LUCKY) owners of Z9's pls share.

Thank you!

I will CONTINUE to provide UPDATES as they arise.  Such as Bitmain revealing they have a Z9 (not "mini").  Expect more to come as more light is shed on the subject of forks, etc...

Was this some kind of revelation in your world?   They literally named it the mini.   Which, unless you're full blown retarded, would allude to the fact that it's the mini version, and that a bigger version exists.  

You are a very special person.  

You need to start a blog bro, you're good at blogging.   Put those wasted keystrokes to use on a blog, pal.

I see you on every single site and twitter and everywhere else blowing up and raging on the Z9.    Dude actually retweets Alex Jones and other nonsense.  

It's actually QUITE pathetic at this point SIR!

MOST likely the Z9 mini has a CHIP planted inside that reads our thoughts and forwards them to LITTLE Davey.

Done clucking yet?  I sure as hell am not.  I'm staying here to see how things pan out once coins start forking, SIR.   

[dmwardjr]

With the recent 51% attacks on Bitcoin Gold and ZenCash earlier today, I think there is a large amount of these miners already out there.

The Zencash attack was at least 58MH/s so that would be about 100,000 of the latest Nvidia GPUs or about ~ 1450 of these non-mini ASICs.

Most likely with these attacks going on, many of these Equihash coins will have no choice but to fork.

Suppose it's only a coincidence these 51% attacks occur on coins that:

#1:  Declared they will fork away from ASIC's.
#2:  All within a short time after CONFIRMING they will fork away from ASIC's.
#3:  BITMAIN has a "motive" to implement a 51% attack based on their declaration they will fork.
#4:  The fact that BITMAIN revealed they have a Z9 (not "mini") proves it would be VERY easy to implement a 51% attack.  Which would ALSO prove they have mined with them for quite some time.

Once these coins are forked, we'll see BITMAIN LIED to Zooko about not private mining AND about not having a larger Equihash rig that's been mining for a LONG time once everyone notes how much the network hash rate drops.  Especially, if ZEC actually forks.

I've known BITMAIN is only out for themselves and doesn't give a damn about the crypto community.  The only explanation for people supporting BITMAIN is:

#1:  Those people are only in it for themselves as well and could care less about decentralization in all its forms.
#2:  Their ignorant from lack of experience with BITMAIN and simply brainwashed into believing the BITMAIN illusion.

Message for those of you who ordered Z9 mini's to be delivered in August/September:  I'm sure BITMAIN is enjoying breaking in your Z9 mini's before shipping them off to you.  They already have your non-refundable payment.  So, why should they care?  If you wanted a refund and they refuse to give it to you, it only shows they don't give a damn about you and only for themselves.

Bitmain's Pre-Mining Policy is a Gold Mine:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNg5yxlvvng

If one does simple math using the ZEC addresses provided in that video, they would easily determine BITMAIN has been private/secret mining with Z9's (not "mini") for a very long time.  

Those of you who ordered the August/September shipments of Z9 mini from BITMAIN are simply trying to give me a hard time as you stress out over these coming forks that could potentially ruin your ROI.  I'm looking forward to these forks before September.  

[boxalex]

Bitmain's Pre-Mining Policy is a Gold Mine:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNg5yxlvvng

If one does simple math using the ZEC addresses provided in that video, they would easily determine BITMAIN has been private/secret mining with Z9's (not "mini") for a very long time.  

You know that is totally retarded?

I told you that the Guy in the Video did not research or he would have seen that these Wallets (where he/you thinks are Bitmains wallets) are from the Zcash Company where they get their Dev fee.
And you continue to post it, really? You lost all bonus on fairness and understanding i had until now and that.

What a joke dude, seems every medium is ok for an agenda, doesn't matter if true or an obivious lie. Seriously, i couldn't sleep well if i whole day spread lies, missleading, hate and such things and i
wouldn't even less feel good as a person. What a rotten tomato character only ......

[dmwardjr]

Bitmain's Pre-Mining Policy is a Gold Mine:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNg5yxlvvng

If one does simple math using the ZEC addresses provided in that video, they would easily determine BITMAIN has been private/secret mining with Z9's (not "mini") for a very long time.  

You know that is totally retarded?

I told you that the Guy in the Video did not research or he would have seen that these Wallets (where he/you thinks are Bitmains wallets) are from the Zcash Company where they get their Dev fee.
And you continue to post it, really? You lost all bonus on fairness and understanding i had until now and that.

What a joke dude, seems every medium is ok for an agenda, doesn't matter if true or an obivious lie. Seriously, i couldn't sleep well if i whole day spread lies, missleading, hate and such things and i
wouldn't even less feel good as a person. What a rotten tomato character only ......

Oh REALLY?  So, the ZEC Developers have their Dev fee address on AntPool?  Interesting....   ROFL....

You're full of crap, SIR.

PROVE it to me and I'll take it back.

Even if you could prove it [And I take it back] it still does not erase a STRONG argument that BITMAIN has mined with Z9's (not "mini") privately/secretly for quite some time.  Probably since fall of 2017.

If you have a simple look at the dates for EACH TRANSACTION coming into those addresses, you'll easily see they are "NOT" DEV FEE ADDRESSES.  WHY?  Cause the Dev Fee address would receive ZEC on every block OR it would be set up to provide ZEC for the address FROM and TO a specific time or blocks of every hour or 24 hours.  That's OBVIOUSLY not the case here.

It's not propaganda.  Bring your PROOF all three of those addresses in the video are Dev Fee addresses.  Don't you find it ODD the developers would reveal their DEV wallet address for the world to see on a coin that's based on PRIVACY of addresses?  If I'm mistaken, show me PROOF those are Dev Fee Addresses and we'll see who's "retarded" and "misleading."

[feveredgobbledygook]

dmwardjr,

Thank you for your concern and effort to make us all aware of the perils of doing business with Bitmain.  I think we all get it now after the multiple so many pages and posts.  Can we move on now?  I'm sure there are better things you could do with your day/s.  What do you need to hear from the members of this topic for you to back off a little and let other folks express their opinions without your commentary?

I would really love to hear from some folks that already have their units and are running them?  Early (LUCKY) owners of Z9's pls share.

Thank you!

I will CONTINUE to provide UPDATES as they arise.  Such as Bitmain revealing they have a Z9 (not "mini").  Expect more to come as more light is shed on the subject of forks, etc...

Was this some kind of revelation in your world?   They literally named it the mini.   Which, unless you're full blown retarded, would allude to the fact that it's the mini version, and that a bigger version exists.  

You are a very special person.  

You need to start a blog bro, you're good at blogging.   Put those wasted keystrokes to use on a blog, pal.

I see you on every single site and twitter and everywhere else blowing up and raging on the Z9.    Dude actually retweets Alex Jones and other nonsense.  

It's actually QUITE pathetic at this point SIR!

MOST likely the Z9 mini has a CHIP planted inside that reads our thoughts and forwards them to LITTLE Davey.

Jihan Wu retweeted someone saying that there is a Z9, but that it is only 3X faster than the mini. Go look at his twitter.

[dmwardjr]

Jihan Wu retweeted someone saying that there is a Z9, but that it is only 3X faster than the mini. Go look at his twitter.

Only?  ROFL...  So, this is suppose to ease the minds of those who purchased Z9 mini's?  ROFL...

It only proved he lied to Zooko about not having a larger ZCash miner AND they have been mining with it all along before his conversation with Zooko AND mined with it BEFORE creating the Z9 "mini."

So, those who want to continue to trust BITMAIN can go right ahead.

See you at the forks before September.

[hanskan]

Jihan Wu retweeted someone saying that there is a Z9, but that it is only 3X faster than the mini. Go look at his twitter.

Only?  ROFL...  So, this is suppose to ease the minds of those who purchased Z9 mini's?  ROFL...

It only proved he lied to Zooko about not having a larger ZCash miner AND they have been mining with it all along before his conversation with Zooko AND mined with it BEFORE creating the Z9 "mini."

So, those who want to continue to trust BITMAIN can go right ahead.

See you at the forks before September.

for a full-on retard you roll on the floor the right exact amount.

[dmwardjr]

Jihan Wu retweeted someone saying that there is a Z9, but that it is only 3X faster than the mini. Go look at his twitter.

Only?  ROFL...  So, this is suppose to ease the minds of those who purchased Z9 mini's?  ROFL...

It only proved he lied to Zooko about not having a larger ZCash miner AND they have been mining with it all along before his conversation with Zooko AND mined with it BEFORE creating the Z9 "mini."

So, those who want to continue to trust BITMAIN can go right ahead.

See you at the forks before September.

for a full-on retard you roll on the floor the right exact amount.

We'll see who's "full retard" when these forks come.   

[whitebrow]

dmwardjr,

Thank you for your concern and effort to make us all aware of the perils of doing business with Bitmain.  I think we all get it now after the multiple so many pages and posts.  Can we move on now?  I'm sure there are better things you could do with your day/s.  What do you need to hear from the members of this topic for you to back off a little and let other folks express their opinions without your commentary?

I would really love to hear from some folks that already have their units and are running them?  Early (LUCKY) owners of Z9's pls share.

Thank you!

I will CONTINUE to provide UPDATES as they arise.  Such as Bitmain revealing they have a Z9 (not "mini").  Expect more to come as more light is shed on the subject of forks, etc...

Was this some kind of revelation in your world?   They literally named it the mini.   Which, unless you're full blown retarded, would allude to the fact that it's the mini version, and that a bigger version exists.  

You are a very special person.  

You need to start a blog bro, you're good at blogging.   Put those wasted keystrokes to use on a blog, pal.

I see you on every single site and twitter and everywhere else blowing up and raging on the Z9.    Dude actually retweets Alex Jones and other nonsense.  

It's actually QUITE pathetic at this point SIR!

MOST likely the Z9 mini has a CHIP planted inside that reads our thoughts and forwards them to LITTLE Davey.

THANK YOU,

Dude thinks he's Sherlock Holmes and solved the worlds biggest mystery. The fact that they need to announce the Z9 to confirm this revelation is pretty sad.

[dmwardjr]

THANK YOU,

Dude thinks he's Sherlock Holmes and solved the worlds biggest mystery. The fact that they need to announce the Z9 to confirm this revelation is pretty sad.

ROFL... You guys crack me up.

I said FROM DAY ONE THE "MINI WAS ANNOUNCED" on several social media sites that "mini" implies ANOTHER Z9 "BEAST" exists.  Don't believe me, look through all my posts from history, moron.

Hell, look on ZCash Forum for posts from ProwdClown and you'll see I mentioned it from day one.  Even a moron like yourself could figure that out.

Sounds like to me I've found another stressed out purchaser of a Z9 who will get their unit in August/September and he's pissed I've got him stressed out talking about forks.