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1061  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is your answer to "Bitcoin is a Ponzi Scheme" ? on: February 03, 2014, 05:17:18 PM
It's not a ponzi scheme per se, but it can still turn out to be a scam if satoshi wants anything for his 2 million bitcoins.

It's a satoshi scheme.
1062  Economy / Speculation / Re: Large DROP in BTC PRICE can be caused by acceptance Amazon.com or other .com? on: February 03, 2014, 03:50:30 PM
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lol another idiot using their business to secretly leverage into bitcoin long positions.

As opposed to using their business to publicly leverage themselves into mansions, cars, and jets?  



Shareholders don't mind that at all.

for fun, look at their 1 year chart to see where this is headed...

The 1-year chart is up +57%.  

It was up even more prior to the sharp drop last week, which other retailers including Amazon also experienced.

That's a good point about using your company to leverage into a bitcoin long position.  If the price of bitcoin changes dramatically during 2014, I wonder if we'll see a correlation with the price of OSTK.  



The difference here, amazon is in a uptrend on the 1y chart, hasn't crashed as dramatic. Overstock shows pennystock behaviour.
1063  Economy / Speculation / Re: Large DROP in BTC PRICE can be caused by acceptance Amazon.com or other .com? on: February 03, 2014, 07:06:22 AM
lol another idiot using their business to secretly leverage into bitcoin long positions. It seems like the shareholders do mind that!

for fun, look at their 1 year chart to see where this is headed...
1064  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why MP is your God. on: February 03, 2014, 01:16:00 AM
1. MP tells dogetards to fuck off, yesterday.

2.
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Feb 02 21:24:15 <mircea_popescu> basically bitcoin got attacked in 2013 by the most unlikely of sources : the dieing start-up circus.

Feb 02 21:24:42 <mircea_popescu> most nobody even noticed, or cared. except for the finest tuned of watchdogs or w/e

That was...about 7 hours ago.

3. Doge devs backstab everyone and run.

That was...about 6 hours ago.

Wink wink nudge nudge.

Nah,
That is just trolling, done right, watch and learn.
1065  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: February 01, 2014, 10:58:03 PM
Keep in mind that even so that is only true in hindsight, and the wedge has been broken already on both sides even with the moving average before. You can redraw it ad infinitum until the support/resistance level. That's why I think drawing triangles doesn't help in determining breakouts.

here is the "completely right" version which shows a breakout of a bearish wedge.


As you see it did "break out" a portion of the now larger wedge before, that's why I don't see them as helpful.
1066  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: February 01, 2014, 10:37:01 PM
That's only true if you aren't drawing it from the candlewicks (price extrema). And in that case you should use some sort of volume averaging, weighted moving average for example.


Here is how that would look like, suddenly this flat wedge becomes a falling wedge however...


But it's more straight forward to use trading channels instead, tradingview even provides an automated linear regression tool for them.
1067  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: February 01, 2014, 10:24:30 PM
Noob question, but can't the bear triangle be seen as valid still if the whale dump is dismissed as overreaction/false breakout/artificial price movement? Or does this have to be taken into account regardless?



Because I still see the pattern of gradually lower highs approaching the static support line. Surely this is a bearish sign?

I would stop using that triangle to look for a upwards breakout after it dipped below the lower bound. At this point it becomes utterly useless.
1068  Economy / Speculation / Re: When will bitcoin reach 1,000, 2,000, 5,000, 10,000, 40,000, 50,000, 100,000 on: February 01, 2014, 10:20:23 PM
Much depends on the proportion of coins actually on the market at the time. I remember rpitela reckoning $250 billion would need to be actually spent to reach $80,000 per BTC with current supply levels.

This is an interesting calculator that takes that part of the equation on board.

http://www.btcglobe.com/tool/calculate-future


Percentage of the world economy:

0.00%

Percentage used for transactions:

1.00%

Then every single Bitcoin will be worth:
0 $

sounds about right.
1069  Economy / Speculation / Re: Diversification into alt coins. on: February 01, 2014, 08:13:00 PM
Those alt coins(junkcoins) are spreading the investment of bitcoin and can't be good for crypto as a whole, they will also destroy people's trust of cryptocurrencies after their crash and run and disapparation.

yes and, you can't stop it.
1070  Economy / Speculation / Re: SHOTRING BITCOIN: This is a good idea right now on: February 01, 2014, 06:44:42 PM
SHORTING Bitcoin is not a very great idea right now.

The only (?) shorting exchange, Bitfinex, has just removed the option to route stop losses through Bitstamp, which means shorters must now place short stop orders on Bitfinex.

Problem with this is that Bitfinex is populated and operated by sharks/thieves who will be plotting to farm your stop-loss at the first viable opportunity they get. Only way to avoid being called against the grain of the market is to to take very high risks with stop loss.

If anyone knows of a better place to short sell I would be pleased to hear about it.

If you are bent on leveraging short you can use btc-e's metatrader4 interface. It works similar to how bitcoinica did, with a fluctuating spread.
But you won't get any less giltchy market and I think it's quite stupid to use it, you'll have the same problems.
1071  Economy / Speculation / Re: Campbx - another exchange bites the dust on: February 01, 2014, 11:14:42 AM
Might we know which bank it is?  They should be boycotted.  CampBX is registered with FinCEN as an MSB in all US states and territories. 

free market bitch!

Yep, free to be boycotted.

Just thinking, they probably have enough customers who haven't even heard of Bitcoin. 
1072  Economy / Speculation / Re: Campbx - another exchange bites the dust on: January 31, 2014, 10:20:15 PM
Might we know which bank it is?  They should be boycotted.  CampBX is registered with FinCEN as an MSB in all US states and territories. 

free market bitch!
1073  Economy / Speculation / Re: In this thread list fears that exist in every Bitcoiner's mind. on: January 31, 2014, 05:23:18 PM
Nice derail, and yeah that roller sure makes you look like an idiot.

Why? It has all the disadvantages of a bike and of a roller, you can't carry it as easily and you are limited in propulsion. I would feel less stupid riding a segway than this.
1074  Economy / Speculation / Re: Obvious TA is obvious on: January 31, 2014, 12:36:25 AM
1075  Economy / Speculation / Re: We might not see cheap Coins anytime soon thanks to BTC China on: January 30, 2014, 10:28:04 PM
Itīs like sending money to Gox.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Bitcoin exchanges are all mostly fucked up.. I sincerely doubt that bitcoin will go mainstream with the likes of Mt.Gox (fake fiat), Huobi/BTCChina (illegal operations), BTC-e (anonymous gypsies) dominating the market. 

I like anonymous gypsies. They aren't trying so hard to appear to the "serious wallstreet investor" - cargo cult mentality.
1076  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 30, 2014, 09:20:43 PM
Whoever said trolling hard isn't worth it...
1077  Economy / Speculation / Re: No Crash Today. Buy your coins back (Holidays started in china) on: January 30, 2014, 06:33:50 PM
If the Chinese ban has any effect at all this will be prolonged over the coming weeks. As BTCChina and Hunobi have done everything they can to stay in business, the so called crash will only happen if there is a complete shutdown of both sites. The alternative is a cat and mouse game which can, depending on the direction of the market  and it's outcome have a real impact, in contrast to a crash.
1078  Other / Meta / Re: [Feature added] Color besides usernames for Ignored by % of established members. on: January 30, 2014, 04:27:10 PM
learn who the trolls are

lol about that coming from you.
1079  Other / Meta / Speculation Forum - I suggest a split... on: January 30, 2014, 04:08:03 PM
As a speculation Forum resident I would like to make a request on behalf of everybody.

I think it would be prudent to make a Technical Analysis subforum other than speculation. Some place where chartists can post their ideas under strict rules and no deviation from them.
It has become increasingly difficult to do this because of the constant Bull/Bear trolling, in which I admittedly engaged in in the past as well. But it is becoming old and I would think it would improve the quality of discussion both for people into the theoretical side of trading and people who like do discuss current event in relation to the price of Bitcoins.

If you like the Idea please post suggestions on the rules of these proposed subforums and what they should be called.
Perhaps just "Speculation" and "Technical Analysis"
or "Price Discussion" and "Trading strategies"
or something else...
1080  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Ron Paul on Bitcoin and crypto! on: January 30, 2014, 01:26:55 AM
ron paul is crazy Smiley
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