Actually, I have a prescription toilet for adequate support while I vacate the evil from me.
That explains where half the users on this BBS come from.  So we are all nothing more than the evils from Randy's bowels? I always had a hunch I stated only half. I offered up the math, leaving the demographics to others. Happy Birthday to you too! I hope you didn't take my last comment as a snide remark. Forgive me if you did. It wasn't meant as such. I'm subtle, but not that subtle. I didn't. Don't worry so much. You are respected among the community, yet you are more apologetic than me (not that I'm apologetic). I was just wishing you a happy birthday. Belated, right? |
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Actually, I have a prescription toilet for adequate support while I vacate the evil from me.
That explains where half the users on this BBS come from. So we are all nothing more than the evils from Randy's bowels? I always had a hunch I stated only half. I offered up the math, leaving the demographics to others. Happy Birthday to you too! |
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Actually, I have a prescription toilet for adequate support while I vacate the evil from me.
That explains where half the users on this BBS come from. So we are all nothing more than the evils from Randy's bowels? I always had a hunch |
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+1 Wikipedia has become an active member of the status quo propaganda squad.
Their "lmoderators" are state-sponsored or bank-sponsored "experts", mostly from academia, i.e with plenty of time on their hands to exert censorship on anything even remotely likely to disturb the establishment.
Perhaps someone here should come up with a competitor to wikileaks.  A competitor to WikiLeaks? You've been dippin' into Atlas's medication?  I see what you've done there. |
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Let's put this in perspective.
They were off by a factor of 3.
Imagine someone saying "I overclocked my CPU to get 12 GHz". When they actually test the CPU, it gets 4 GHz.
Much closer to reality: Company says "I have something that runs programs at 12 megaops"
You tell them there is a market for something that runs programs fast.
Company says they'll give you that 12 mops system they have, and then finds out that your programs have quite specific requirements which makes the product only run them at 4 megaops (while still able to execute regular programs at 12)
FPGAs aren't CPUs, nor are they GPUs, which invalidates a few of the later posts on how "off" the estimations were. Should BFL have kept quiet about expected power usage for typical scenarios and waited until they knew exactly how Bitcoin mining would task the system? Sure, Maybe, No. Take your pick. Even closer to reality: - company says "we have a 1.05GHash/s, 20W box" - you tell them there is a market for it (bitcoin mining) that they may not have first realized - company says they'll give you that 1.05GHash/s, 20W box for it, but later finds out that their FPGA internal switching rate is so much higher for bitcoin mining (which they didn't target originally) that they have to underclock their system by 15% (down to 832MHash/s) and draw 4x the power (80W). I don't think there is much doubt that such a box exists (Inaba has seen 2 in operation); BFL stated they would likely get the power draw down a bit by doubling the capacity of the onboard power regulators and by beefing up the power brick. At this point a more relevant question would be: how does the 4x power draw affect the FPGAs? BFL's original cooling solution (small heatsinks and 80mm fan) was designed for a 20W heat envelope. Now the heat is 80W ... is that same cooling subsystem still sufficient, or will the FPGA's run too hot and have reduced lifetime? Typical designs are overengineered for 2x the nominal spec. 2x 20W is 40W; 80W is beyond even that. But this box was designed for Bitcoin. Hence the 'BitForce' Line |
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FPGA Boards  Are not video cards. |
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All these discussions on scams or no scams, maybe one member should just spare the $600 get a unit and start mining to see if it is as claimed.
Someone took the time to read the thread(s). They haven't shipped yet, and also aren't operating to what BFL claims they will |
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In other news, it is 12/13/11... Kinda awkward isn't it?
Only awkward in the dyslexic 'merkan system. Most of the civilized world calls it 13.12.11, 2011-12-13, or very similar variation. Oh my, how true. My ignorance kicks in again. I am dense. |
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I see... I can rarely contain myself from the input of 'face-calling'. In other news, it is 12/13/11... Kinda awkward isn't it? |
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I don't mean to seem relevant, but I wonder how I got involved in this thread... anyone know?
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Great work Inaba.
I'm not neglecting the use of a working FPGA, but BFL really needs to get their stuff together, the power usage thing, just doesn't seem to add up on their part.
You know what output you want, and how much energy it will take to get there, why was the unit designed with parts that were less than capable of hitting that point?
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It's from Colorful a chinese manufacturer, what were you expecting ?
It's from a Chinese manufacturer, enough said. Ethnocentric much? Most of the things you own are from chinese manufacturers. I wasn't knocking Chinese manufacturing at all. I'm simply pointing at the general stereotype that asian culture is weird. (ie the whole PuddiPuddi thing, the grey market Wiis, and generally all of the candy.) I was simply poking fun. I will on the other hand say again, that by 'sneezing the wrong way' on the forum here, will cause a war, so I'm treading on thin water. |
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It's from Colorful a chinese manufacturer, what were you expecting ?
It's from a Chinese manufacturer, enough said. |
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I understand that, but a whole line? How much time, money, and such would be invested into that. Not only that, but it seems to be the only type of product on the products page. Compare to:
Friend says, "boy Trucks are cool!"
Small business says, "I've never heard of this 'truck' but I'm going to gear my business only to this 'truck'!"
I think it is more of a proof of concept, to show the "big customers" what's possible. An entire project line? With no other products available? From a company that at one point stated they've been in business for several years now. I think that is a stretch of truth. BFL, would you mind commenting on my posts? Dont bother, we all know its a lie. Just hope they indeed ship a product. Brave ones are welcome to be guinea pigs. At least I know it wasn't just me that has seen that as a HUGE gaping hole since the beginning of this controversy. |
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Funny though, i've just been discussing with an occupy group and guess what their #2 item was... "reforming the monetary system", yet if you bring up bitcoin they all group up and form a group that looks an awfull lot like this  Bitcoin is a great way to decentralize an economy, but I don't really think that cryptocurrencies are 'old' enough to become a country's economy. |
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I understand that, but a whole line? How much time, money, and such would be invested into that. Not only that, but it seems to be the only type of product on the products page. Compare to:
Friend says, "boy Trucks are cool!"
Small business says, "I've never heard of this 'truck' but I'm going to gear my business only to this 'truck'!"
I think it is more of a proof of concept, to show the "big customers" what's possible. An entire project line? With no other products available? From a company that at one point stated they've been in business for several years now. I think that is a stretch of truth. BFL, would you mind commenting on my posts? |
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we didn't start this thread or announce ourselves at all...We were discovered in mid development by a few in the bitcoin community...we put up a pre-order page to keep it orderly...gmax heard about our project and posted...we hadn't expected to enter the market at the time our project was discovered.
Sorry.. thought it was a rhetorical question. I don't think there's anything remarkable about building a website prior to expected product release. The response on the other hand was sort of like stepping on a bear trap and caught us completely off guard. We're not bitcoiners... well, we weren't bitcoiners anyway. One of our team had a friend in the bitcoin community who seemed pretty interested in our BitForce platform development and we've been pulled forward by that conversation ever since.If you (BFL) weren't a bunch of bitcoiners, why did you create a product line, specifically for mining, with no other projects listed? That in itself is fishy. If I didn't like or know about computers, would I start a computer store? Here, I highlighted the relevant bits for you. I understand that, but a whole line? How much time, money, and such would be invested into that. Not only that, but it seems to be the only type of product on the products page. Compare to: Friend says, "boy Trucks are cool!" Small business says, "I've never heard of this 'truck' but I'm going to gear my business only to this 'truck'!" |
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we didn't start this thread or announce ourselves at all...We were discovered in mid development by a few in the bitcoin community...we put up a pre-order page to keep it orderly...gmax heard about our project and posted...we hadn't expected to enter the market at the time our project was discovered.
You launched a website showcasing your product and you're surprised that it got found out? Before gmax, how did the "few in the bitcoin community" find out about your product? Did you expect them to be quite about it? BFL, can you address this post please? Thanks. Sorry.. thought it was a rhetorical question. I don't think there's anything remarkable about building a website prior to expected product release. The response on the other hand was sort of like stepping on a bear trap and caught us completely off guard. We're not bitcoiners... well, we weren't bitcoiners anyway. One of our team had a friend in the bitcoin community who seemed pretty interested in our BitForce platform development and we've been pulled forward by that conversation ever since. If you (BFL) weren't a bunch of bitcoiners, why did you create a product line, specifically for mining, with no other projects listed? That in itself is fishy. If I didn't like or know about computers, would I start a computer store? |
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Bump for sharing our wealth!
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I'd like to add one more thing into this post, as to police brutality. This was a 'harmless beanbag round'
Beanbag rounds aren't supposed to be harmless. They are non-lethal. I think a wound something like that on the neck has a fair chance of being lethal. Or between the eyes. Not to mention the weaponized tear gas being used. It can cause the need for hospitalization. I find it funny, because these protests make sense, and are peaceful and unarmed, yet the Tea Party protests are people carrying loaded guns and nothing happens. The government has a bit of a problem with anyone that might make a difference. |
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