+1

If it is used the right way

Your right, he should be removed for leaving a false amount on feedback for a transaction that never happened which is an abuse of power. But you'll never see that as you stand to lose rating on some of your alts if that happens. Thanks for your 2 satoshis, but you have already lost all credibility in my book. This is theymos's decision. He can either fix the system, moderate the system, or remove the system. or continue to be bombarded by requests and garbage every time someone in a position of power abuses it. If not just on principal alone, it behooves him to fix the problem to avoid his own frustration and wasted time.

I have never done business with CITM, certainly not 1,000BTC worth

yet another blatant act of abuse of the default trust system or the trust system in general. This is far from this users first offense of using bad judgment, and is most likely far from his last.

Theymos, at the very least if you are not going to modify the way the default trust system works or get rid of it all together, then you are at the very least responsible for moderating its participants and protecting its integrity. If this behavior is allowed to continue your forum is going to get run into the ground.

Use of fake value amounts has been grounds for removal of users in the past. i would like to believe that you are a fair and non biased admin who does not play favorites.

Lord, i almost have to feel sorry for all of you, its so pathetic. You spend hundreds, some of you thousands of hours fighting for your virtual popularity. Seeking the approval of other virtual persons and all it takes is one man, willing to poke the hornets nest, to call you all on your antics, the pathetic campaign for virtual approval and every single one of you has to rise up to try and defend your positions. You have to spend even more hundreds of hours trying to defend your points. All the while really only proving that most everything that i, the guy poking the hornets nest have said is completely true.

Lets recap.

I point out an obvious but not often discussed problem. The default trust system is faulted in several ways. Took me less than an hour to do that.

then, the people threatened by losing their virtual popularity start another smear campaign. Not actually arguing the fact that the default trust system is broken, because they really cant. But instead trying to use the byproduct of their past smear campaign as the basis for what i stated, which is obvious fact as to attest to the faults in the system further starting another smear campaign to distract from the facts.

Then, Canary In The Mine goes and PROVES BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that the system is seriously flawed by abusing the system to leave negative feedback for 1,000BTC which is a transaction i never had with him.


Then, Nubbins, CITM, Smoothie, BG4, Hillariousandco, and pretty much every one else who stands to lose their virtual popularity points that they have gamed so hard to get make further attempts at trying to discredit the person, not the facts that the system is broken. further proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the system is broken.

Then, as time progresses, and i poke the hornets nest even more, these predictable little kids will further prove the faults in the system in their attempt at retaliation as such they have already done with TecShare and UKcrypto and pretty much anyone else who dared to stand up to them and call a dog a dog when it barks like a dog.


Please to all of you children, continue as you have. i know that you are so naive that you think you are actually making a case in your favor and i am perfectly ok with your disillusion. All it is doing for the rest of us is helping to build the case against your lifeblood and beloved "look at us we have cool green numbers next to our name" crowd. You can argue the semantics of your last escapade all you want, until CITM and a few of you misfits wanted to compile onto the list, after your last escapade my trust went from -618 down to -4 after people realized what idiots you were. i am rather assured that even though most dont want to get involved because they dont want those little red comments from the kid brigade that you are so willing to give if they publicly tell you what idiots you are, they are still behind me as i get told in the PM's almost every day and from the few who are brave enough to leave feedback. 

You may now carry on. please dont let me stop you, i'll be back to poke the hornets nest a little later again to see what else i can shake out of you to further prove my case.

Imagine......

There is no fear of saying who i am, it is just simply that i choose not to associate my RL identity with my bitcoin one. Which is now for pretty obvious reasons.

In the weeks since the charade of Nubbins and Co. started i have spent less than a dozen hours online.

Lastly, your opinions of some videos really hold no weight as far as i am concerned, i would be willing to bet that although you will probably try and argue it, you have never picked up a mallet and chisel in your entire life and tried to carve on a piece of birch. Therefore you have no idea what it should "look like"

Closing, this thread is not about me, although it seems i am quite famous now, and appreciate all the free marketing. This thread is about the faults in the default trust system. greatly demonstrated by CITM with his false 1,000BTC feedback, and nubbins by his lack of better judgment, and well by just about everyone else on the list. 

Thanks CITM for todays daily update.

UPDATE 2: CITM tries to argue that there is no problem with the default trust system by demonstrating he too can abuse the default trust system by leaving me a negative feedback rating for 1,000BTC when i have never done a single transaction with him.

You guys are making this too easy. 

Not at all, in fact its quite the opposite. Myself as an example. I dont care how the system gets fixed, It can be removed, modified, set where the user has to determine their default list, turned upside down, or covered in frosting served with a cherry. The fact is that something needs to change with the current system as it has been proven time and again that it does not work and has turned this forum into an MMORPG where trust rating equals virtual points and a game to be collected. Mabye users dont approve of the method that theymos provided to fix it, that could very well be legitimate and i can see their argument. the fault is that the system should be left alone and that no changes are needed. 90% of people who want to agree to that extent are the ones who benefit from doing business with CITM and who have spent hundreds of hours gaming the system.

Please do not try and twist words and join the communion of unholy trust farmers in doing so. I personally have nothing against you and still consider you a valuable contributor to the real bitcoin community with your setup and trouble shooting threads. They have even helped me get set up in my recent purchase of a small mining farm. It would be a serious shame to see you join the dark side of totalitarian opinionists who think that their semantics are law and spend hundreds of hours gaming the trust system.

If you cant agree that something needs to change with the trust system as it is, no matter if it is what theymos suggested, other solutions, or done away with completely, just that something needs to change than maybe i had you wrong and you are not the intelligent professional that i thought you to be and that would be my own misjudgment. I am only human and i have misjudged people before, but i really would like to think that i am not wrong in this instance.

you must have missed that on page two. i would have already answered that. but i dont blame you for missing it, only a few hours and already 3 pages of kids and their shit making it hard to find the facts. I am mobile and on my way home for the night or i would find it and quote it for you. please search page 2 to find that answer.

Thanks !



See you all tomorrow.

Sorry kids, i have a wife and a family to attend to for the evening. I'll be sure to stop in tomorrow though and play for a bit. Still does not change the fact that the default trust system is a faulted system that needs changing, but i am sure i can carve out half an hour of my time tomorrow night to reply to most of the bullshit you want to blather on about while i am away tending to a real life.

One final stab at nubbins for the eve before i go.


Yes that is correct, i do well enough out here in the real world that i can afford to throw a few thousand dollars worth of exotic hard wood scrap into the wood boiler to free up some space. Thanks for taking notice.

Since you are now trying to find ammo in my reddit threads, kind of strange that a guy who knows nothing about wood, cannot carve wood, and is so broke he needs to scam people with "fake laser (or was it CNC'ed) wood products)" can afford to buy $10,000 worth of wood just for a little photo op. Including a giant slab of the most expensive wood on the planet. Oh wait, is that. oh my, yes it is, thats the same table and workspace from my videos, and wait. is it. no way. can it be. look thats other professional wood workers speaking to how expensive that shit is. NO WAY ! Could it be? why yes, it seems quite possible that after all the semantics, all the childish shit, thousands of post of the same 5 idiots polluting the forum with garbage are wrong and maybe woodcollector is actually telling the truth. Holy shit ! Looks like the troll brigade is losing a little steam.

Better luck next time, the rest of the world might lay down and let you little kids plow through them with your mob tactics. but not I. it cost you all days and days for thinking up the next cunning tactic you were going to use to try and get people to believe your bullshit, it took me a few hours of time to prove you are nothing but kids and gamers abusing false positions of authority. The ice under your feet is getting very thin, who wants to step up to bat next?

I'll be back tomorrow to find out  Until then, troll away.

For those of you here to address the real problem at hand, please see the previous 3 pages of garbage including the garbage from the guy who is suppose to be the leader of this faulted default trust system. then please voice your concerns to Theymos in hopes that maybe some day he will care about the future of this forum again.

And the circle jerk begins 

Lets not mention that the guy cant spell my screen name right. Lets not mention that there has been no proof ever shown that he is me, lets not mention that you all falsley accused Ukcrypto, and Techshare of being me as well.

Quick, someone get these guys a roll of tissue paper before one of them blows their load over this cirlce jerk.

Fact still remains, the default trust system is faulted. heavily.

Awwwwww, look guys, Canary is trying to fight to keep his seat at the thrown. Lord knows the puppet master cant be deprived of control of all his puppets. How cute 

In the words of the "cool internet gamers" Cool Story Bro.

Now to cover your ass you are uploading images with the meta data to suit your false claims. Your a few days late on that one. If that were the case you probably should have shown it immediately if you expected it to have any credibility. I could take those same images and edit the profiles to show that they were in fact uploaded by you with matching data from any image you have posted on the forum. Hell i could make them anyone's images as could anyone who googles "manually edit ICC data"

You got caught, and deserve to be thrown under the bus with smoothie.

And now that the kids have been put to bed, we can move back on topic to the case at hand.

The default trust system has many faults and needs to be done away with for this forum to serve the better good of the community for the next 6 months to a year before it is allowed to chase off every potential merchant that is considering bitcoin we could have. Although we are going to hear a lot of arguments from people on the default trust list with reasons for letting them keep their virtual popularity points, it does not change the fact that it is faulted and damaging bitcoin. 

ELI2 this statement

 The search engines are going to need a few months to a year for their algos to re-distribute link authority. Its called the sandbox.

Dumb kids and their useless semantics used at a pitiful attempt at feeling important. 

Theymos, i think this is almost a must if you expect this forum to continue to have any credibility in the future. Regardless of how many alt accounts are used to vote against it. This is about one of the only ways this place will survive with any credibility.

KWH THANK YOU A MILLION TIMES OVER.

My god that would have been so much better. Its sad to see that the ones gaming the system shot that down. I appreciate you taking the time to dig that up for me. Theymos needs to seriously consider doing that regardless of how many alt accounts voted against it.

Hey, finally, a legitimate question from the peanut gallery.

Bitcointalk.org use to be an amazing repository of information from what i can see as well as what all the members who have lefter here have told me. People would come here and be drawn in by a great community full of people trying to help each other understand the ins and outs of bitcoin. Thanks to the algorythms at most major search engines BCT.org still is found relevant for most major bitcoin searches as although the site has turned to shit in terms of quality content. the search engines are going to need a few months to maybe a year to figure that out via their indexing algo's.

This means that for the next 6 months to a year, most new bodies to bitcoin are still going to find their ways here and get chased off by the likes of people like you and your alt accounts. This means that bitcoin will continue to be over looked by many interested parties for the foreseeable future.

Removing the default trust system no matter if it pisses off the kids who abuse it or not will leave no reason to play the game of "look at me, i am an internet bad ass and i can make up crazy theory's to win over your approval" Meaning for its last remaining time online BCT could still prove to be a useful resource while some of the rest of us in the community take the time to make something better. Unlike the likes of you and your band of misfits. my intentions are for the better good of bitcoin, not about a virtual popularity contest to satisfy a need for acceptance like yourself. Live or die, this forum is it for at least the next 6 months or better until the search engines start indexing the new platform we are developing. I started this petition to ensure that the next 6 months for bitcoin stand a fighting chance and more valuable members of this comunity are not chased off by your kind. The math is simple, (system that encourages the kids to act like kids) MINUS (system that encourages the kids to act like kids) EQUALS (the forum returning to something useful for bitcoin for its remaining time left in existence.)

Here we go, lets have a failed attempt at distracting from the facts by using semantics and smoke and mirrors. Anyone with half a brain can look through sodaz post history and find that he has mis-spelled my screen name about 2 dozen times already. But lets just continue to bank on the fact that nobody will check that. Which will be your pitfall.

Just like when Kialara tried to make attempts at proving that i was some other wood working guy by posting photos that he Photoshopped to make it look like they had the same camera data, his downfall was that he linked the site that he claimed to use for those screen shots. It took 2 minutes for anyone with a brain to use that site and see that Kialara was trolling and lying.

Your reputation and credibility have already taken a bad beating over your last bout of semantics and kid games. As such, your position on the default trust list is already in jeopardy.Do you really want to try and keep pushing the issue further destroying your credibility by using things that are easy to prove within 30 seconds? Are you just going to fall on the knife and axe yourself of the trust list? Beyond your little group of shills, do you really think anyone takes anything you have said seriously any more?

None the less, THANK YOU for further proving my point about the default trust system, any further contributions you would like to make to reinforcing my points are appreciated as well. 

Is it also weird that he cannot manage to spell my screen name right either? like a dozen times now at least.

Thank you for proving my point about the Gamers that use this forum and its trust system like their own MMORPG

AGAIN WITH THE WOOD CARVING, YOU KIDS ARE AS DENSE AS CAST IRON.

This thread is about the default trust system and how community members, (LIKE BG4) turn it into a video game or their own MMORPG to fulfill something they are obviously missing in their life.

For the record, video has already been produced that my works are not done by machine. your trying to whip a dead horse here to steer this thread off topic just as was done last time or any time someone calls out the faults in the system which you guys all spend dozens of hours a week trying to manipulate.