Rough claims that Bytecoin existed before 2014, but Rough didn't exist before 2014.

So I think that was the point.  

I bought a few million BCN at 1 satoshi, and I still have some of them.  Is there any reason why I shouldn't sell them now for 4 satoshis?  Any reason that existed before 2014?  

If there was any other evidence that Bytecoin existed before 2014, then Rough's join date wouldn't matter.  But is there anyone in the world who mined Bytecoin in 2012 and was also a member of bitcointalk in 2012?  I can show you people who posted on bitcointalk in 2012 - can you show me people who mined Bytecoin in 2012?  Not just tell me about them and expect me to trust you, but show me?

Rough says he got Bytecoin from a Tor onion.  Of all the people in the world who used both Tor and Bitcoin in 2012, I think a significant percentage of them were aware of bitcointalk.  So how is it that no Bytecoin users were aware of Bitcointalk, and vice versa?  

Every other coin in the world has people hyping it and fudding it vigorously, but all those Bytecoin miners kept it a secret?  Why?  What were they doing with their Bytecoins, if nobody in the world accepted them, traded them, or even mentioned it once on the internet?  If it was a better-kept secret than Silk Road, for some unknown reasons that even the people using Bytecoin were completely silent about it for so long, then why did they all suddenly change their minds and come to bitcointalk?  Did they have some blockchain consensus protocol and take a vote on it?    

What good are ring signatures and trustless networking, if the entire concept requires us to be so trusting that we have to swallow heaps of blatant lies?  

Yes their coin info is now showing the current block height.

Alright, is there anybody who ever wanted to develop a successful crypto project?  Well, we have one already, and the original developers don't want to work in crypto anymore.  Lucky for us, it's already listed on Poloniex and Cryptsy, it's been running with no problems for several months so the network is solid, and there's plenty of community interest in a coin limited to a total of 1 million. 

Let's face it, any project you could work on has a maximum of about 1% chance of ever becoming as successful as Fractalcoin already is.

I'm thinking we look at the wallet first and see if there's a problem calculating the advertised .5% transaction fees for smaller transactions.  The 2FRAC maximum fee seems to work fine.

And then we can talk about maybe tapering down the block rewards to .5 and then .25, if we want to extend POW a little longer.

So if he does post a video, it won't make any difference?

That is true.  Satoshi didn't even make an ANN in the altcoin forum at bitcointalk, which is a sure sign of a scam launch. 

On the other hand, these forums at bitcointalk were a lot more boring before Bitcoin was invented.  Mainly we would just start topics like "Why is this site called bitcointalk when there is no such thing as bitcoin?"

It's not a matter of opinion, if you know what a blockchain is.
 
The chain is unbroken between blocks, which can be proven and can't be changed or falsified without changing all the blocks that came after it.  Each block comes from the block before it, that's what makes the chain. 

Like I said, doesn't the evidence in the code and in the blockchain show that Bytecoin didn't exist until 2014?

Andreas looks like a vampire.  But he probably can't help that and it shouldn't influence your opinion of his character. 

That is all I wanted to say, please carry on with the discussion.

Me too, somebody please start a topic asking for a copy of the original draft

But Monero is almost 3 years old itself.  I personally mined Monero in 2012. 

People have called me a liar for saying that, but they couldn't come up with any objections that don't apply equally to Bytecoin. 

Oh shit did I just go asperger?  I'm spending too much time on this message board, I might turn into a programmer

This week somebody put 1BTC on Fractal at 1997 on Cryptsy.  .96BTC of that is still left, because other people are still buying for more than that, but he hasn't pulled his order yet.

So clearly the coin is worth something, and I think it will be worth a lot more in the near future.  It wouldn't hurt to have an active developer, so I will personally pay 5000FRAC if anyone wants the job.  earlz gets first refusal, as he is most qualified for the job along with the other original devs, and he would be free to sell me back that FRAC on Cryptsy, or sell it to that guy with the 1BTC buywall.  Or he could help the coin along its way to the moon, and that 5000FRAC might be worth a lot more. 

If earlz doesn't want it, somebody else please speak up.  If I have to learn how to do the coding myself, then I will have a lot more time and effort invested in this coin and none of you will be getting any of my FRAC for less than .1btc.

My signature space is worth more to me than what they're paying.  I decline that money so that I can buy credibility in this community, because people will know that I'm not just selling something.  But they can also send me a little btc to my address, if they want.  And if I share something or teach something that helps another member here earn a lot of money, he might show his thanks with a lot more money than those advertisements are paying.

You're one of those guys who makes huge 100% profits by taking money from these fools!  They think Bitcoin is a great investment, so they bought your bitcoins for 2 cents when you only paid 1 cent!  Haha, you're laughing all the way to the bank with your $200.00 profit, while these idiots hold the Bitcoin shit and sell it for millions. 

They don't know about the "gang" of 100,000 exchangers who are just cheating them.  When this gang of exchangers grows to 100 million people, each with .1 bitcoin, imagine how worthless the bitcoin shit will be then!  Ha ha, they will wish they had sold it for 2 cents like you did!  Unfortunately, most people are not as smart as you.

The first one had a lot more stuff about how people should avoid cloud mining scams, but they removed it because they felt it was too obvious and nobody would actually need to be told that.

It will be about 3 more months, it goes straight from 1 coin per block to 0 + tx fees.

The specs are available at Fractalco.in

I was getting .01FRAC in tx fee about every 10 blocks, when the coin was almost dead and hadn't been mined by more than one person for over a month.  And the blocks are fast, so that's already comparable to mining rewards for Unobtanium.  And that's when hardly anybody was using the coin.

Watch the blocks.  Maybe 10 go by with no tx fee, or maybe it's several in a row:
http://fractalcoin.miningpoolhub.com/index.php?page=statistics&action=blocks


Do you realize your coin has been running flawlessly on autopilot for several months?  A lot of coins need constant supervision and still break anyway.  Your design was so good that it has continued functioning without you.

Do you realize that your coin is still traded everyday on Cryptsy and Poloniex, which is something most coins never achieve, and half the ones that did achieve it already got delisted?

Fractalcoin is already more successful than 90% of all altcoins that have ever been made, and it's not even a year old yet.  

Me, I'm excited to see what will happen when block rewards end and mining rewards are less than Unobtanium.  (Unobtanium is worth over $2.00 per coin right now, and rising)

People stopped mining, not because of transaction fees or Slingshield - they stopped mining because they had been getting 40 per block and suddenly only got 1 per block.
People kept their coins on exchanges, not because of transaction fees, but because they thought the coin would skyrocket in value when it was 40 times harder to mine.  And it will, it just needs at least 1/4 the time it took Bitcoin to skyrocket.

Besides, everybody sends transaction fees with Bitcoin anyway.  The wallet has a popup that asks you "Hey don't you want to send a transaction fee?"  Fractalcoin limits the fee to 2FRAC, and other than that it's half a percent.  People don't mind paying half a percent, they pay a lot more than that with credit cards, and they pay more than that to buy Bitcoin on Coinbase.  So what if Bitcoin has smaller transaction fees, if you have to pay 1% to get some bitcoins?

What's the difference between Fractal's mandatory transaction fees, and Ripple destroying a percentage of coins with every transaction?  And everybody's jerking off over how great Ripple is, so let them try some Fractal too.

Of course, maybe it could be fixed so it is actually the .5% it's supposed to be, instead of the 50% I get charged when I send 1FRAC from my wallet, or 2% when I send 100FRAC, or 300,000% when I send .00001FRAC

Sometimes the transaction fee is .49250995FRAC for any amount of 98 or lower, and it changes to 2FRAC if you send 99 or more.  Or then you go back and it's a 2FRAC fee to send 2FRAC.  So the problem isn't with the .5% fee, but maybe there's a little problem with the implementation.  Or maybe the wallet is crazy and makes up a different fee every time.

Thanks for replying.

Don't you think there's still a lot of promise in one of the few coins limited to a supply of 1 million?

What do you think is the major flaw - that nobody will mine after block rewards end?

That was quite a post. 

Also, isn't it true that if Bytecoin was actually mined since 2012, that only about 10 computers were mining it?

I was helpless without all the people here telling me what to buy and when.

Did anybody watch the markets to see if the absence of hype and fud made a difference?

Seriously though the site being down prevented me from doing some important communication and stuff like that, so I appreciate it even more now.