Oh wow. I didn't know that. But this seems to be only locally because pretty much everyone in europe is still doing it.
There are too few alternatives today to really enforce such a law anyway imo.
well, thats true. but i'll try and until now it works. IMHO with PostIdent there is a very good alternative (essentially you are going to a post office showing them your id and they tell the company "yes, its him"). it works even with online banks (and is legally compliant). |
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I found this in their terms and conditions about accounts that never withdraw fiat.
Registered members of whom transactions only involve virtual currencies are not required to have their identities verified (subject to change in the future).
Bitstamp suddenly started requiring verification to make withdrawals. If you cannot provide all they ask for then your funds are trapped if they do a ninja change of their terms and conditions.
The problem is not the exchange but the regulatory environment they operate in. They would love to not have any customer data, but that isn't how it works. Sadly i don't use any exchange that requires that much info. this is what i accept: - PostIdent (though..maybe only in germany? dont know) - Deposit from a bank account in my country its not allowed to make a photo from your passport and submit it (but there are exceptions for bank - bitfinex is not a bank). Its forbidden? What country if I may ask? germany (article in german: https://www.datenschutzbeauftragter-info.de/nicht-bemerkt-personalausweis-kopieren-verboten/) google translate of the important parts: "The collection and use of personal data or by using the certificate shall continue only on the designated trails . (... ) Other methods such as on the optoelectronic detection ( "scan") of card data or machine readable zone shall be expressly excluded." "On the new ID card , the authorization number is printed . This principle should be known only to the cardholder , but could fall into circulation by copying the card." and a cite of our lawbook (google translated again): §1 Abs. 1 S. 3 PAuswG: "From the cardholder shall not be required to deposit the identity card or give up custody in any other way ." |
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I found this in their terms and conditions about accounts that never withdraw fiat.
Registered members of whom transactions only involve virtual currencies are not required to have their identities verified (subject to change in the future).
Bitstamp suddenly started requiring verification to make withdrawals. If you cannot provide all they ask for then your funds are trapped if they do a ninja change of their terms and conditions.
The problem is not the exchange but the regulatory environment they operate in. They would love to not have any customer data, but that isn't how it works. Sadly i don't use any exchange that requires that much info. this is what i accept: - PostIdent (though..maybe only in germany? dont know) - Deposit from a bank account in my country its not allowed to make a photo from your passport and submit it (but there are exceptions for bank - bitfinex is not a bank). |
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for funs sake: a drkler needs to steal mutliple cars before he even can go out  From A to Z please...after 16 rounds i really like that comparison.... stealing a car is dangerous and you may get caught. fits perfectly to masternodes  |
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maybe its just me, but i would not trust my brain remembering the words correctly.
a checksum (as planned) is a good idea.
i just compare it to the amount of phone calls i get from people who didn't intend to call me in the first place.
but i am unsure: so lets see. a BIP is not a bad idea at all; if it gets accepted by "normal" people everything is fine. a solution only for btc-enthusiasts seems unnecessary.
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This is just not the point of this BIP. We don't want any registration process on another alt chain nor alt database (DNS), and want to be verifiable by current SPV wallet easily.
i don't want to criticize your work and i think it is very interesting from a technical point of view. its just not usable (for me). all "normal" persons wont never remember multiple words nor an address (they would ctrl-c both). add the address-reuse problem to this and please tell me: what do you actually want to solve (means: use-case)? |
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You people realize that when you make a purchase with your anon coins, if you are buying something that has to be shipped, which would be most of your online purchases, they have your fucking address! Unless you are doing face to face transactions with no personal information exchanged AND you are wearing a mask while doing it, you're not going to be anonymous..... There's a whole host of potential what if's and hypothetical situations that can be dreamed up and thrown around. That's not what this thread was about. Prove the transactions themselves are traceable or shut the fuck up.
Scratch that. Still not anonymous enough. Even if you are wearing a mask you better be driving a stolen car so it cant be tracked back to you. Make sure you do 4 loops around a city block (personal ring signatures and 1 more than required by XMR) while ditching the stolen car for a new one and making sure no one is following you. At this point, if you don't suspect someone is following you, proceed to your real car and then do 4 more personal ring signatures. After these steps are successfully taken, proceed home. For an added layer of security, make sure one of the cars you ditch is in a tunnel or under a bridge so the drones and spy satellites can't watch you. Make sure you have a pair of gloves on too so you don't leave finger prints inside those stolen cars. for funs sake: a drkler needs to steal mutliple cars before he even can go out |
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I like OpenAlias for this. its coin agnostic and uses DNS: https://openalias.org/but it doesnt solve the address-reuse problem gmaxwell mentioned. It does please re-read what we talked about. You solution involve trust relationship. its just a dns record. dnssec may be used by shops and private persons may use namecoin. dnssec still has a trust relationship; bit domains dont. |
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I like OpenAlias for this. its coin agnostic and uses DNS: https://openalias.org/but it doesnt solve the address-reuse problem gmaxwell mentioned. |
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OK, Your unable to see where this can go so think of your own idea. Instead of saying this is a problem and this is a problem, try thinking of solutions to those problems. That is called "Fleshing out" an idea. If you want someone to do all the work for you so you can paid then I recommend getting adopted.
well i did... i need someone with bitcoins who doesnt care about taint. that way we can even safe on slippage (which is huge on polo for amounts > 5btc) |
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Create a bitcoin wallet that auto washes with XMR on every purchase through Polo API. Send small fee to DEV account for every transaction.
that would mean that all dirty btc transactions would go through my hands. i dont know how polo reacts if they see "dirty coins". one of the reasons i like monero so much is that i dont need to think about taint. but: if there is anybody with enough btc/xmr who doesnt care if his bitcoins are tainted i can certainly develop it. what i like is that this would also help monero devs (i'd split the fees 50/50 in this case) No, what that would mean is a bitcoin wallet that is setup for it's own account (better secure it: although it should not contain much at any one time anyway) on polo that will auto buy xmr and then sell that xmr and then send the bought BTC. The Fee structure is your own thing. Those using this wallet do not even have to know what XMR is. I recommend a fee added for the DEV fund for obvious reasons and you can take a cut as well as polo getting their cut by the sell/buy transaction. If you make enough dough feel free to toss me some. but its my polo account accepting btc. eg if i were Mark Karpeles i'd send my btc to this service to get clean coins back. that wouldn't go unnoticed and i bet my account would get blocked... that's the reason i never made a btc-service. i don't want to hazzle with KYC or such laws Monero allows me to do that without any fear (because it is FUNGIBLE) |
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So let see the empty speah of smooth :
He's saying that if someone don't know something (ie: visa, mastercard payment) he can't say if it's anonymous or what else...
Ok so this guy is saying that he don't know darksend because he can say anything about it, nor prooves nothing
Cqfd! End of the discution until you make your homework
Ok so that all what we were thinking about those endless empty blatering of this smooth : He don't know what is it talking about (and since 14 pages)...
lol the only thing you just proved is that you cant read (but what did i expect from drk-folks ) |
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Create a bitcoin wallet that auto washes with XMR on every purchase through Polo API. Send small fee to DEV account for every transaction.
that would mean that all dirty btc transactions would go through my hands. i dont know how polo reacts if they see "dirty coins". one of the reasons i like monero so much is that i dont need to think about taint. but: if there is anybody with enough btc/xmr who doesnt care if his bitcoins are tainted i can certainly develop it. what i like is that this would also help monero devs (i'd split the fees 50/50 in this case) |
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Well what is this below if not a scheme?
In that case every possible way of collecting randomness is a scheme. What is probing /dev/urandom everytime you need a random number, if not a scheme? Obviously, gmaxwel's quote was refering to a simple deterministic function whose input is a known literary work, I'll agree that if it is simple to memorize such a scheme, then it is quite likely that other people could come up with it, then running it against known corpora is a matter of having the resources to do so. Such resources are relatively accessible nowadays. A sentence from a book, regardless the language is a very bad idea, but it is not a relevant example in the context of this thread. YOU HAVE A SCHEME? Pfft. THE SPACE OF ALL SCHEMES YOU'RE LIKELY TO HAVE PROBABLY ONLY HAS A FEW BITS OF ENTROPY. RANDOM PHRASE IN A BOOK? THERE ARE ONLY ABOUT 30 BITS OF SENTENCE SELECTION IN A LIBRARY.
OH NO. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME, ARE YOU?
just dont do it - nothing more to add |
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i'd love to see something like just-dice from someone trusted.
sadly my country forbids me to make it (or use it)
Fuck gambling. Create something useful to the general public with Monero. Alot of people would be happy to help you. i just need an idea...server, coding experience (15yrs work) is all there... so please contact me if you have one and we can work something out. |
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there is cryptocoin-dice. i think its good, i had some fun there  nice - it even allows investing! i am not really interested in gambling itself... i'd prefer being part of the bankroll but i never heard of "Bobbax" before... so i'll skip it for the moment |
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i'd love to see something like just-dice from someone trusted.
sadly my country forbids me to make it (or use it)
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thank you. i'll give it a shot. i'll tell my friend if it worked and that he should donate something (he'll like do this) |
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at least he can remember some parts of it:
PW{bitcoin|bitcoin-wallet|bitcoin-core-wallet|bitcoin-kern-wallet|bitcoin-core|wallet|bitcoin-kern|bank|geld}123!
variants of "bitcoin" i have tested: bitcoin, BitCoin, Bitcoin
i have written a very small (and ugly) nodejs script which tries this permutations:
- first letter as uppercase (and camel e.g. Bitcoin-Core-Wallet and BitcoinCoreWallet)
- with removed '-'s
- leet-replacements
(all recursive) any other ideas or common mistypes i could check?
it only contains about 1btc - but for him thats much.
regards
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one would argue that there is no problem yet to be solved.. we're just tuning in circles here.
if this would be a current problem it already would be too late. a hardfork takes time as everybody needs to update. btw i think it is already a current problem as we already sometimes have full blocks and a backlog - atm its just not a big problem. |
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