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if more than 51% rejects them we will never see a fork.
if less than 51% rejects them they'll just shoot in their own foot.
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only chance for monero is, if they bribe some popular dark market to adopt it.
no need to bribe them to use the best avaiable anon coin  and btw yes i DO think eth is goldman-sachs; just wait a little and you'll see thousands of little skynetties pop up - without any ICO and fairly mineable. |
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i feel the samt about noxt folks.
why not just wait and see what happens? no need to make such a drama about it
So essentially you're saying:"Okay, let's not do anything and let the dangerous and risky fork happen." We are only gambling on a $3.4Bn market cap.  If we were never taking actions, then stuff would go terribly wrong. NoXT can cause problems for XT, not Bitcoin itself. The problem is that both sides are spreading misinformation. Usually I see things like BIP 101 can only be implemented in XT, or that the block size limit will never be changed in Core, and similar. These are manipulation attempts. They need to stop. true, NoXT is a big problem and very assholish. but i still think there is no need for drama. make sure you own the private keys for your bitcoin, relax and wait for the outcome. as long as you dont have much hashing power you have no chance to change anything anyway. |
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Like ASIC pre-orders, mtGOX, and the endless ponzi scams XT is clearly yet another attempt to screw the crypto community and fracture Bitcoin.
I find the XT shills reminiscent of the Gaw Hashlet/XPY shills that graced the pages of this forum just recently. There's still Paycoin shit stains all over the place!
i feel the samt about noxt folks. why not just wait and see what happens? no need to make such a drama about it |
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please add me to your list.
i am curious to see what you think my motives are
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8MB is still a very random figure to drop over there. Sure one could think the blockstream guys have an agenda but im really a lot more scared about the code that Mike&Hearn are trying to push with the excuse of the blocksize increase.
i didnt see anything really bad there. most of the rumurs are just fud. atm only miners need to do anything (if they want to) everybody else should just make sure that their bitcoins belongs to them (eg they own the private keys) so they can decide - after the fork - which chain is best. no code is run with owning private keys... no one forces you to run bitcoin core / xt (even if you want to be on that chain) anything else is FUD. Well the thing is most people are clueless about the code that is underneath the excuse of the blocksize increase. They thing XT = bigger blocks and thats all but thats not all. Some people here care about things beyond a good price.eg me but people must learn the differences between consensus-relevant changes, client-code and private keys. if you think xt harms your privacy (i dont) use it without the other patches (means only with bigger block patch) OR use another client. its that simple |
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8MB is still a very random figure to drop over there. Sure one could think the blockstream guys have an agenda but im really a lot more scared about the code that Mike&Hearn are trying to push with the excuse of the blocksize increase.
i didnt see anything really bad there. most of the rumurs are just fud. atm only miners need to do anything (if they want to) everybody else should just make sure that their bitcoins belongs to them (eg they own the private keys) so they can decide - after the fork - which chain is best. no code is run with owning private keys... no one forces you to run bitcoin core / xt (even if you want to be on that chain) anything else is FUD. |
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Bigger blocks yes.4MB or 8MB I don't care. But not the way XT is pushing it.
how would you do this change? imho letting miners decide what protocol changes are bitcoin is how it was designed in the first place. |
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Calm down, guys. You got what you wanted in the first place: Decentralization of power. Now there is Bitcoin-Core and Bitcoin-XT, and real decentralization of power to the actual community of users and miners. The community, not the developers, gets to decide using the normal consensus rules for a hard fork. And that's a good thing, right?
true that. there is nothing to be afraid of. just keep your bitcoins in your own wallet and you will have both coins after a fork. miners and economy decides which one wins in the end (i dont believe two coins with same hashing algo can coexist for long.) Bitcoin does not exist to line Blockstream's pockets.
+1000 not for anyone pockets imho bitcoin is there to empower people - nothing more, nothing less |
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May I ask what is the official stance on Extortion by the admins and the moderating team? Would such actions be allowed on this forum, or would they be deemed unethical and not be permitted?
I have recently seen a rise in scammers and trolls doxxing people and threatening them, and often requesting money and/or other services so that the victim is left alone. Would these actions be moderated, or like the trust system, "not moderated to prevent abuse"?
imho they are not moderated, but i suggest anybody who sees something like that to neg-rate them. |
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imho most of the chaos came from all the fud on btct. btw no need to misquote me; you are intelligent enough to find a better attacker vector which fits your agenda |
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Mike Hearn has this military tone and way of speaking, that undoubtly adds to any suspicion of him working for a three letter agency.
If either Gavin or Hearn cared about Bitcoin, they would not risk a hard fork in such a disruptive manner while manipulating the uneducated masses with rhetorics. Their alterior motives shine through every of their actions. Whoever they work for wants complete control over Bitcoin's code base, if you support XT then you will be part of Bitcoin's demise.
i support XT because i support bigger blocks. how would you make such a change (or any other for that matter)? consensus rules says miners decide: and thats what XT tries to do. NoXT / blockstream folks are the ones who are trying to sabotage that and making it all drama which leads to price depression. thats not the fault of xt. they are the one playing the rhetoric game. gavin doesnt (or do you see him opening thousands of threads crying? nope: thats what NoXT folks do). |
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Lets face it, we will loose everything. I lost many precious $ during that flash crash and this was just the beginning. I would sell all my coins now, but i lost my wallet password :-(
For me there is just one alternative, im going to sue them all:
1. Gavin: I will sue the shit out of him. He is responsible for this mess.
2. KwukDuck: I will sue him for pushing pricing down, by posting shit on bitcointalk...
3. Mount Gox: Even though i didnt have any coins at gox, fatty is still responsible for that major crash a few years ago. He destroyed our trust in bitcoin (dont deny it, you fool!)
Kind regards
Admiral_Bit
dont forget to sue blockstream. the source of this evil! |
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You don't have evidence the majority are real. As OP noted, "the spike in nodes coincides with the release of noXT software." btw here is another cite from your own signature (i just read your link): Given the choice between short-term sticking with 1MB or going all the way to 8MB, I am in favor of going to 8MB.
Given the choice between sticking with Bitcoin Core or switching to Bitcoin-XT, I am in slight favor of sticking with Bitcoin Core, but that could change any time.
i think he is right - on both points... |
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Is anyone bullish on crypto in general right now? Why or why not?
imho there are many things right now which are bearish (most of those points where told me by friends which are not that deep into crypto as me; i dont necessarily share their few: but i think how they perceive crypto is more important than my view): - most altcoins are a big scam and some crazy kind of "inflation" - current bitcoin xt debate - bitcoin price development - shops drop bitcoin support (eg no more pizza delivery for me ;( ) i am still bullish: but only longterm. imho what is needed: - some good press / success stories - new people(!) - it sounds ugly but some country support would be great (like ny-bitlicense; even if it is no good it is perceived as "acceptance") btw nice to see you again hope you stay here and dont leave until next summer... |
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Show me the quote, where D&T supports BitcoinXT. As far as I remember, he never did.
I don't know if D&T specifically supports XT, but his only significance at this point is as the first to rage-quit over not getting his way with larger blocks. That makes him a honorary Gavinista!  not anybody liking bigger blocks is a Gavinista. i am pro-bigger-blocks because i want that anybody is able to use bitcoin; not just a few people (which may use tor or not: who cares... it isnt a technology for the people then) |
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My point is: we don't know, the data is unreliable and this topic was ment to be about discussing the consequences that arise from this unreliable data. If it's 10%, 50%, 90% of the nodes that are fake is not the main question here. The question is: what are the consequences from us not knowing how reliable the data is?
none, because the only relevant number is how much of the hashing power supports XT. edit: yay, it seems the first XT-block has just been minted |
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Windows 10 can seek out pirated softwareMicrosoft recently updated its EULA for Windows 10, noting that the operating system can seek out and potentially disable any pirated software, like games, running on your PC. The new clause in question is found under section 7b of the EULA, which says that Microsoft may check your software at any time and download updates or make configuration changes.
“We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices. You may also be required to update the software to continue using the Services”.
Instead of becoming better, they are making things worse. Luckily I've already downgraded. It looks like Windows 7 will be the best mainstream OS for people who are aware of the situation. Millions were tricked into this 'free' update. Again I bet this is more for their Windows APPs on their tablet side but it is definitely over reaching their boundaries, if this keeps up I will go ahead and roll back to 8.1. They need to remember desktops are their bread and butter not tablets. afaik its for windows-online-accounts which are needed for things like cartana and may be used as a login. btw also some hardware may get you flagged and banned from there. not sure what hardware. maybe some other controllers? |
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A clone coin as field testbed environment for a clone coin...
reminds me of how evolution works... |
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i still think it boils down to comfort and "afraid of learning/changes"
That's certainly part of it, but keep in mind that many people need to work with others in teams so it is beneficial to use the same software for compatibility reasons and ease of familiarity when jumping between devices. Consistency is one important factor in efficiency. I use linux daily, and would certainly prefer to switch completely over but unfortunately linux on the desktop is still not as optimal as osx/win. at work i dont have a problem with windows. because any bigger company should have someone who checks updates and flag them for their users. but in general i dont really care what companies use: they should evaluate for themselves. i just think that for private pc's linux is better. but thats my opinion: ofc you are free to have your own. i dont even want to make you switch! this sub-topic started only because i was interested why somebody who said "maybe i'll switch" did not switch at that very moment. |
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