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421  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 15, 2012, 06:48:43 AM
I'm still seeing 0.12 BTC/share to buy. When are you selling more shares at 0.1BTC?

As said in the OP, only 30,000 shares are put on the public market. Although and they are all gone, The bulk sales haven't been closed. Investors could buy from us before then instead of buying them from the public market.
422  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOORE: Mining Bond Beating the Moore's Law (Secret Plan Launched!) on: August 15, 2012, 05:10:02 AM
10th Payment

Calculation time: August 15, 05:02:08 forum time

Number of difficulty change: 1
Number of block reward change: 0

Time interval:

  Starting from: August 8, 02:53:19
  Ending at: August 12, 11:47:26
  Total time: 377647
  Difficulty: 2,036,671.09

  Starting from: August 12, 11:47:26
  Ending at: August 15, 05:02:08
  Total time: 234882
  Difficulty: 2,190,865.97

Hashrate of this week: 1.27028MH/s

coupon/share = (1.27028*10^6)/(2^32)*(377647*50/2,036,671.09+234882*50/2,190,865.97)=0.0043275

Number of Shares: 5000

Total Payment: 21.6375
423  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Block Erupter: Dedicated Mining ASIC Project (Open for Discussion) on: August 15, 2012, 04:46:28 AM
FYI: I am almost certain this is a scam.
It usually is. Smiley

However, are they actually accepting payments in any form, yet?

Or do you think this is all still in a 'foundation laying' stage and the 'amazing opportunity to invest' is still to come?

"Since the fundraising thread was already made"

Hmmm. Ok, I need to go look for that.
Link for convenience, please?

But we are not. Smiley

The fundraising thread is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.0

There are more information, as well as question answered.

I would prefer that this Block Erupter thread will be mainly used to report the progress of the chips to the community, as well as discussion of technical problems in the future.
424  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Block Erupter: Dedicated Mining ASIC Project (Open for Discussion) on: August 15, 2012, 04:43:43 AM
What this thread is entirely missing is where the production would be done. (masks, wafers, packaging and bonding). And some really good explanation of why it would be so cheap.
No "LOL we are in China" is not sufficient.

Which software is used to design the chips? Where do the models for the gates come from?

FYI: I am almost certain this is a scam.

These factors all contribute to the inexpensive cost:
  1. 130nm node size. As the mainstream switches to 28nm, the 130nm existed for so long that even many smaller foundries could do it very well. The intense competition of manufacturing in China brings the price of everything down, including ICs. Though we chose the larger and more reliable foundry, their evaluation of the price of 130nm full-mask and MLM is still near the price in this main thread.
  2. MLM(Multi-Level-Mask). Compared to full-mask, this technology reduces the cost of mask-set to half with the exchange of increasing the margin cost by about 40%. This is a good deal for us because the margin cost of chips themselves is one of the lowest cost in our budget.
  3. Low EDA license fees and low labor cost in China.
  4. We ourselves did most of the RTL design, optimization and simulation.

The RTL is written in Verilog.
Frontend: We use VCS for simulation, Verdi for debugging, DC for synthesize.
Backend: We use ICC for P&R, Calibre for DRC/LVS check, virturso for layout merge, StarRCXT for RC extraction and PrimeTime for STA.

Formality is used to verify the netlist. We also do some simulation directly on the netlist but it is very slow compared to that on the RTL phase, so many possible cases of the state machine couldn't be covered. Formality is needed to increase the confidence of the synthesize results.

By models of the gates, I guess you mean technology libraries. They are provided by our foundry indirectly from the foundry agent.

The PLL IP module is also provided by them.

Please PM me with your e-mail address and ask for more documents and information if you feel necessary. Thanks.
425  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Block Erupter: Dedicated Mining ASIC Project (Open for Discussion) on: August 15, 2012, 03:43:52 AM
Update

Since the fundraising thread was already made, I would prefer the discussion of more technical aspects in this thread. After all it's a sub-forum in the hardware board. But I will answer these questions:

Wait, sorry if this is a dumb question, but do you mean that Bitfountain is going to be a mining company only, that is to say, that they will not be offering the "Block Erutper" ASIC for sale?
We will offer our boards for sale, but that will be a stage after our self-mining. Because within that time we could polish our board design and contact potential partners of doing marketing, logistics and customer service for us.

Though, it's unsettling to know that after share principle repayment 50% of return goes to a small group of individuals that is Bitfountain.

Conservatively, IMO, Bitfountain's take might be $40,000+ for the first month after funding repayment.  Definitely a sweet deal for Bitfountain.

Bitfountain will always own a minimum of 50% of their self-run hashing capacity.  Makes me nervous the same way Vladimir's plans did.
1. We ourselves don't consider the portion of our own too high. Because the investors of ASICMINER will have the privilege of breaking even first and no future dilution. Also the market will tell us whether 0.1BTC per 1/400,000 of the company is overpriced or not.
2. It is hard to say if such a prediction is conservative or aggressive. It might be either much higher or lower than that depending on how the ASIC mining industry performs. And no one knows how many competitors are secretly lurking there besides those who have revealed themselves.
3. We may own less in the future, because when we further sell the shares of the company, we can only sell ours because, as we promised, ASICMINER shares are prone to no dilution.
426  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] μ - Bitcoin Venture Capital (Asset ID "MU") on: August 15, 2012, 03:22:02 AM
Weekly Financial Disclosure

Time: 11:21 AM, Beijing time
Date: August 15, 2012

Funds of Last Week: 18.473BTC
Number of Total Shares in Circulation: 5000

Assets:

JLP-BMD
Holding: 1569shares 140.896BTC
Dividends Paid: 1.420BTC

YABMC
Holding: 1450shares 176.610BTC
Dividends Paid: 4.877BTC

PIMP
Holding: 1382shares 228.030BTC
Dividends Paid: 4.784BTC

MOVETO.FUND
Holding: 109shares 125.132BTC
Dividends Paid: 0.000BTC

BFLS
Holding: 50shares 100.000BTC
Dividends Paid: 0.926BTC

Cognitive
Holding: 184shares 125.102BTC
Dividends Paid: 0.352BTC

BDT
Holding: 91shares 98.271BTC
Dividends Paid: 2.610BTC

BTC
Holding: 101.374shares 101.374BTC
Holding After Dividends: 86.405BTC

Calculated Dividends: 1.420+4.877+4.784+0.000+0.926+0.352+2.610=14.969BTC
NAV: 140.896+176.610+228.030+125.132+100.000+125.102+98.271+101.374-14.969=1080.446BTC
Weekly NAV Growth: (1080.446-1062.054)/1062.054=1.73%
427  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] μ - Bitcoin Venture Capital (Asset ID "MU") on: August 15, 2012, 03:05:13 AM
Update

The motion has been passed.

Voted Yea:3515
Voted Nay:0

So from this week, the new dividend structure will be taken.
428  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 15, 2012, 03:00:57 AM
Regarding the die size update to 17mm2

My research, which might not be definitive, shows that large die are incompatible with the MLM process.  Can you comment?

Will you be providing investors with documentation of your arrangements with the foundry?

According to our foundry, the rate of mask-set success with large die with MLM is the same with a standard full mask.

Larger die will indeed have less fault-tolerate rate, but 17mm^2 is not classified as the largest type processed by our foundry.

Our foundry is located in Shanghai, China. We have provided the confidential agreement between the agent of the foundry and us to some investors, and we will definitely provide our final contract to investors when it's made. Thanks.
429  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 15, 2012, 02:03:38 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but profitability outlined in this spreadsheet shows return rates prior to ASICMINER share principle being fully returned.  Post principle repayment these return figures reduce by 50%.
In fact it's after ASICMINER investors' principle are paid back. Since it will almost definitely that the IPO will stop before 200,000 shares, prior return will be higher than 200% of what in the spreadsheet. Smiley
430  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 15, 2012, 01:58:40 AM
Update

Just to mention, since the IPO hasn't finished and bulk purchase at 0.1BTC/share with extra shares offering is still going on, it is not suggested to buy them at a very high price at this moment. Thanks.
431  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 14, 2012, 01:32:17 PM
Thanks for these answers !

One more question: How is the private sale coming along ? The sale on GLBSE is doing very well imo
Will you be able to raise the needed capital before the end of August the way the share sale is going so far ?

We now have more than 2,000 BTC worth of shares executed as private bulk purchase and about 7,000 BTC worth of shares asked for reservation by potential investors.

So there are still some uncertainties but overall our IPO is doing well. Smiley
432  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 14, 2012, 12:51:18 PM
Thanks for your questions.

I assume the monthly return rate takes into account the increased difficulty ?
It's already taken into account. We provided the return rate based on a set of possible total network hashrates (therefore difficulties).
You could decide yourself which of them is most possible per month.

An additional question: Why does the company not want to or sees it feasible to expand beyond 50TH/s for their own mining farm ?

Is that an 'effort' / location constraint ?

Thanks
It may be feasible, but there are some more facts to consider:

1. When we begin to sell products to customers, limitlessly expansion will harm the buyers' motivation, hence the revenue via selling.
2. If may be better to keep the revenue for R&D of the next-generation of products than expand too much with the original technology, especially that we want to stay in the mining ASIC industry and help securing the network in the long run.

433  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 14, 2012, 11:22:22 AM
Update

A more detailed estimation about the return is shown online, based on the condition given in the main thread:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al1fvFT7Sd5bdGppUktrYmlIZ3MwRUxhZTk0WEJBd1E

Currently it considers three variables:

1. The electricity fee. (0$/KWh and 0.1$/KWh)
2. The total hashrate of the whole network.
3. Block reward halving. (before and after)

More factors will be taken into consideration.
434  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 14, 2012, 10:58:18 AM
I really want this endeavor to succeed and I'm pondering whether to invest some serious money. While I have some issues with the business plan, e.g. I am not thrilled by the idea of self mining, there is one thing much more important.

I would like to be reasonably sure that you won't run off with the money, never to be seen again, or perhaps just pretend to produce the chips. Again, I'm not accusing you of being a scammer, but to me you are just a pseudonym posting some text on a forum board.
Is there anybody on this board who knows you and/or have met you in person? I'm afraid your name being known to glbse is not that reassuring.  How can I be sure that your mystery friends even exist? Would you perhaps be willing to arrange a skype conference call to answer questions and show what you're up to? Anything.

Another way would be to arrange it so that GLBSE locks some of the funds in escrow until a later date. I don't know if that's possible.

Perhaps a start would be some evidence that bitfountain actually exists as a registered company.

Thanks for you interest and questions. Would you please PM me your skype id and e-mail address so we could arrange the skype conference and send you the documents you require? Thanks.
435  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 14, 2012, 02:46:06 AM
Update

We collect more questions frequently asked by the community in the past several days here.

Q: What is your fundraising target? How do you decide whether this IPO succeeds or not?
A: The minimum target is 100k$. If the raised funds surpass this number, we will consider that our IPO is successful. However, we would like to raise more (120-140k$) because keeping the budget at minimum is very prone to unexpected scenarios.

Q: So you will send the extra shares at at time?
A: Yes.

Q: How do you achieve so low costs?
A: There are several factors.
  1. 130nm node size. As the mainstream switches to 28nm, the 130nm existed for so long that even many smaller foundries could do it very well. The intense competition of manufacturing in China brings the price of everything down, including ICs.
  2. MLM(Multi-Level-Mask). Compared to full-mask, this technology reduces the cost of mask-set to half with the exchange of increasing the margin cost by about 40%. This is a good deal for us because the margin cost of chips themselves is one of the lowest cost in our budget.
  3. Low EDA license fees and low labor cost in China.
  4. We ourselves did most of the RTL design, optimization and simulation.

Q: Why don't you use Bitfountain for your GLBSE ticker?
A: Because the ASICMINER shareholders (GLBSE investors) have an extra set of privileges upon Bitfountain shareholder (us).
436  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 13, 2012, 04:28:01 AM
Thanks for your questions.

Ok I get it, asicminer is just a glbse asset name representing Bitfountain. It's awefully confusing though. What is the point of choosing a different name if it is one and the same?
We decided to use a different name from the start, because that the ASICMINER shareholders have an extra set of privileges upon Bitfountain shareholders (two of my partners and me).

If we look at the short term, there are 200,000 public shares that are going to take all the initial profits. The estimated income will be 12TH/s of mining power. Currently the network hashrate is roughly 15TH/s. When 12 TH/s is added you will get 12/27=44% of the daily 25x144=3,600 bitcoins, which is 1,600 BTC/day, or ROI in less than two weeks and a return of 28% per week after that if you're first to market!

If I'm not making any math errors this would be insanely profitable (for a while), and I'm just going to assume it's too good to be true Wink
Yes, it's insanely profitable given that all the given conditions will hold. But "we are first to the market" and the unchanged 15TH/s network hashrate after several months are both strong assumptions.

That is also just gross income in the most optimistic scenario, and I can't find anything about costs. Let's pretend that everything works out and you start mining, and the first week you earn 5,000 BTC. What would the dividend be?
Before the investors break even, all net profits will be paid to them. So in the first week that's 5,000 BTC minus the electricity fee and place rent.

Do you have any estimate of the failure rates? Also, are they somewhat independent between runs, i.e. can we expect that if the failure rate is 10%, say, the probability of all 12 wafers being bad is very small, or is it more likely that if one fails all fails?

I guess my question is what is the likeliest scenario: 1) You get anywhere from 0 to 12 TH/s in the first batch or 2) either 0 or 12 TH/s?
There are two kinds of failure rates.

The first one is the noise points in mass production. When we get the estimation of 12TH/s we already considered the noise points, or that will be more than 16TH/s on the unrealistic hypothesis that the production process is perfect.

The second one is the failure of making a workable mask-set. It means the waste of the major part of NRE cost. This is the largest risk here and investors should consider this seriously before being in.

What exactly will MOORE get, and when and at what price?
The first time that MOORE get boosted will be with or a little after the deploying first batch of our chips. It's like bulk-selling of hashrates from Bitfountain to me myself (I as an individual, am fully responsible of MOORE). So there has to be an approval by shareholders.
Later, if we decide to use MOORE as a future hashrate selling engine, it also needs motion-based approvals.

If at that time, our competitors delivered their products, and the market price of ASIC-based hashrate on the GLBSE market is already settled, we will probably price MOORE at (evolved hashrate at that time with our formula of each share) * (BTC per MH/s) * 1.6. If we are the first to deliver our products, we have to do the price discovery ourselves and what in my mind is keeping the current price of 0.5BTC/share, push the hashrate to 50MH/s per dollar, and fix the hashrate per share based on the BTC/USD exchange rate at that time.
437  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 12, 2012, 02:34:20 PM
Ok im about to be in the market for more mining gear and im going the ASIC way. My faith in BFL being done in time is very low. With that being said I would love to have a choice, and not forced to go with one company. I wish you well in your venture and will be following very very close to progress.
Thanks. Though some information will be only kept for board members, our progress and milestones will be updated to the public for anyone to see. Smiley
438  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 12, 2012, 02:32:58 PM
Probably irrelevant at this early stage but are there any plans for socket mounting and pin compatibility on future versions?
EDIT: And if so would it be an open layout, ie. Would you allow competitors to make pin compatible chips?
Answer to the first question is: our chips are made with I/O simplicity in mind, so there is nothing serious hampering the compatibility on future versions. But as you said, this stage is early and future compatibility is not on the highest priority when making choices.

The second one: We are not planning to disallow that.

Also, should everything work out and hardware become available to buy might there be any discounts to shareholders?
There will be. There will also possibly be a small number of free devices for the community. But both needs to be approved with the motions by all shareholders.
439  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 12, 2012, 02:25:21 PM
Im not sure I understand let me just check, If I understand here.
Your making equipment ASIC type, Seems pretty clear but want to make sure.
Are you Selling or not selling this equipment?
You are or are not a mining company as well?

Yes. We are making ASIC chips for Bitcoin mining purpose.

We will be selling the equipments, but are currently not accepting pre-orders.

We are a mining company as well. Since at least the first batch of chips, and probably more, will be consumed by us for self-mining. The investors will get both the profits from self-mining and device-selling.
440  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 12, 2012, 12:31:50 PM
Thanks for your question.

If I understand correctly, Bitfountain is doing the manufacturing and ASICMINER is buying the equipment from them.
Actually not. One ASICMINER share represents 1/400,000 of the net profits from Bitfountain. Therefore the answer to this question:

- Is there a way for me to invest in Bitfountain directly? That seems much more interesting to me. You know, the only one making money from the gold rush was the guy selling shovels. I'm already too exposed to the mining risks, but selling shovels seems like a plan Cool

will be that:

Investing in ASICMINER is investing in Bitfountain. No matter Bitfountain mines with its own hardware, sells its hardware/hashrates, or even expands its business domain, ASICMINER shareholders get all possible means of profits of Bitfountain proportionally.

- If you were sneaky you would siphon off some portion of the chips to yourself. You can get the chips for marginal cost and get insane profit from these. The ASICMINER investor is none the wiser and picks up the tab for the development, since ASICMINER is not involved and can keep totally open books. As long as you don't get too greedy you will be able to pull it off, as the new 'mystery miner'.

I'm not saying you will do this but I would like to hear your response.

This is the most significant problem here. There has to be a way for the board members or wider shareholders to monitor our financials and business operations. Representations could be sent by the board and do much of the job, and when we grow larger some professional auditing will be also very important. We will keep everything as transparent as enough with the help of our investors.
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