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Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOORE: Mining Bond Beating the Moore's Law
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on: May 23, 2012, 01:55:28 PM
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Update
The price is adjusted. The bulk purchase price is unchanged, but the IPO price is increased to 0.50 BTC/share.
Since the IPO hasn't started, I hope this will not provoke too much confusion.
I am very sorry but the first round is priced at the lowest bound in our profit-risk estimation, therefore after some consideration, we decided to re-price them.
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Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] μ - Bitcoin Venture Capital (Asset ID "MU")
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on: May 23, 2012, 12:25:46 PM
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Thanks for the dividend! Wish it was higher You are welcome. I wish it was higher too, and tempted to do larger investment on new pirate-related assets, but we finally decided to always stick to a conservative investment policy, and don't hold higher-risk assets for too long. YABMC coupon this week (tomorrow) will help for next week!
Of course. And after the ask wall is eaten over, I hope there will be some considerable increasing in price.
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Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOORE: Mining Bond Beating the Moore's Law
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on: May 23, 2012, 12:03:44 PM
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UpdateThe price of IPO is set at 0.480.50 BTC/s. The price of bulk purchase is 0.45 BTC/s( 6.6710.00% discount), but each trade has to involve larger than 500 shares( 225 BTC). Please PM me for trades, and find witnesses/make records on replies if necessary. The total amount of our initial release will be less than or equal to 20,000 shares. It depends on how the bulk purchase goes on. Thanks to everyone who's interested.
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Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOORE: Mining Bond Beating the Moore's Law
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on: May 23, 2012, 07:20:05 AM
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In the post above he/she valued them at 0.48 BTC per initial MH/s, about 60% above the typical 0.30 BTC that 1 MH/s bonds sell atm.
Another interesting plot would be with difficulty that increases according to Moore's law - your bonds then should show a straight line while constant bonds (while initially cheaper) will rapidly decline at some point.
The price is now finally determined at 0.48BTC/s. The amount is to be announced yet. The following are two pictures showing that if the difficulty increases according to Moore's Law, how our bonds will perform compared to normal bonds. Normal Mining Bonds are assumed to have a price of 0.3BTC/share, plotted in blue. Moore Bonds are assumed to have a price of 0.48BTC/share, plotted in red. X-axis is the number of weeks, Y-axis is the expected total return rate from coupons. The difficulty is initially set at 1,733,208, and increases by 0.89% each week. The date when block reward reduces to 25 is set at 30 weeks later. The first picture assumes that the difficulty always smoothly increases: The second picture assumes that when the block rewards turns to 25, the difficulty also turns to a half, as some miners will close their operations:
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Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] μ - Bitcoin Venture Capital (Asset ID "MU")
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on: May 23, 2012, 05:49:12 AM
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Thanks for your advice, we will include the actual number of shares in our financial report from now on. The other 5,000 are still reserved for future sale. We started from 3,000 shares, and expanded to 5,000 two weeks ago, with the releasing date and price of the rest shares undecided yet. Our fund is highly shareholders-controlled, and any expansion plans need to be passes as motions first.
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Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] [ANNOUNCE] BMF - Bitcoin Miner Fund
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on: May 23, 2012, 05:22:43 AM
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As a fund manager of MU, I have some questions. Hopefully they could help you elaborate a more detailed proposal. 1. Will the dividends of BMF solely come from the dividends of mining assets you receive? For example, if you buy 10,000 shares of Gigaming at 1.5BTC/s, and sell them at 1.6BTC/s after a month. Will the profits all be used for re-investing, or will you pay some of them as dividends? 2. Will you actively contact asset issuers for cheaper bulk purchase of shares? If so, have you already started at least getting them known? 3. There is already a GLBSE listed fund solely on mining investments called M.ETF. It has already existed for a long time. It's not an ETF though, it's a mutual fund as yours. The fund manager (JL421) made a very impressive summary of mining assets before he did the IPO ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66610.0). If you do something similar, your fund will be more attractive to investors.
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Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] μ - Bitcoin Venture Capital (Asset ID "MU")
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on: May 23, 2012, 05:20:26 AM
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NAV: 104.036+300*0.570+401*0.655+10*0.239+1618*0.249+70*1.046+1149*0.295=1355.138BTC Weekly NAV Growth: (1355.138-1325.056)/1325.056-1=2.270%
Market cap = 10000 * 0.526 = 5260 BTC Market cap/NAV=3.88 timesVery impressive. Investors evidently have a high opinion of your investing abilities! Well there are only 5,000 shares in circulation now. Therefore it's just 1.94 times. It's not so crazy. Even when the last two weeks are a little cloudy, both our dividends and growth rates are still quite sweet so far.
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Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] μ - Bitcoin Venture Capital (Asset ID "MU")
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on: May 23, 2012, 03:32:45 AM
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Weekly Financial Disclosure
Time: 11:04 AM, Beijing time Date: May 23, 2012
Funds of Last Week: 361.332BTC Number of Total Shares in Circulation: 5000
Assets:
BitBond Original: 401shares 243.808BTC Bought in: 0shares 0.000BTC Average Holding Price: 0.608BTC Sold: 0shares 0.000BTC Average Selling Price: N/A Holding: 401+0-0=401shares 243.808BTC Net Gain: 0.000BTC Dividends Paid: 3.421BTC
BDK Original: 10shares 0.660BTC Bought in: 0shares 0.000BTC Average Holding Price: 0.066BTC Sold: 0shares 0.000BTC Average Selling Price: N/A Holding: 10+0-0=10shares 0.660BTC Net Gain: 0.000BTC Dividends Paid: 0.025BTC
JLP-BMD Original: 708shares 176.892BTC Bought in: 910shares 228.638BTC Average Holding Price: (176.892+228.638)/(708+910)=0.251BTC Sold: 0shares 0.000BTC Average Selling Price: N/A Holding: 708+910-0=1618shares 405.530BTC Net Gain: 0.000BTC Dividends Paid: 0.000BTC
Cognitive Original: 300shares 155.700BTC Bought in: 0shares 0.000BTC Average Holding Price: 0.519BTC Sold: 0shares 0.000BTC Average Selling Price: N/A Holding: 300+0-0=300shares 155.700BTC Net Gain: 0.000BTC Dividends Paid: 1.372BTC
TEEK.B Original: 200shares 190.000BTC Bought in: 0shares 0.000BTC Average Holding Price: 0.950BTC Sold: 130shares 135.470BTC Average Selling Price: 1.042BTC Holding: 200+0-130=70shares 66.500BTC Net Gain: (1.042-0.950)*130=11.960BTC Dividends Paid: 3.024BTC
YABMC Original: 500shares 150.000BTC Bought in: 1000shares 280.000BTC Average Holding Price: (150.000+280.000)/(500+1000)=0.287BTC Sold: 351shares 109.020BTC Average Selling Price: 0.311BTC Holding: 500+1000-351=1149shares 329.763BTC Net Gain: (0.311-0.287)*351=8.424BTC Dividends Paid: 0.000BTC
PPT.E Original: 0shares 0.000BTC Bought in: 250shares 278.750BTC Average Holding Price: (0.000+278.750)/(0+250)=1.115BTC Sold: 250shares 285.642BTC Average Selling Price: 1.143BTC Holding: 0+250-250=0shares 0.000BTC Net Gain: 285.642-278.750=6.892BTC Dividends Paid: 0.000BTC
REBATE Original: 0shares 0.000BTC Bought in: 100shares 19.000BTC Average Holding Price: (0.000+19.000)/(0+100)=0.190BTC Sold: 100shares 24.900BTC Average Selling Price: 0.249BTC Holding: 0+100-100=0shares 0.000BTC Net Gain: 24.900-19.000=5.900BTC Dividends Paid: 0.000BTC
Holding Funds= 361.332-0.000+0.000+3.421-0.000+0.000+0.025-228.638+0.000+0.000-0.000+0.000+1.372- 0.000+135.470+3.024-280.000+109.020+0.000-278.750+285.642+0.000-19.000+24.900+0.000=117.818BTC
Total Net Gain= 0.000+3.421+0.000+0.025+0.000+0.000+11.960+3.024+8.424+0.000+6.892+0.000+5.900+0.000=39.376BTC
Calculated Dividends: 39.376*35%=13.782BTC
Usable Funds: 117.818-13.782=104.036BTC
Actual Dividends: 13.782BTC
NAV: 104.036+300*0.570+401*0.655+10*0.239+1618*0.249+70*1.046+1149*0.295=1355.138BTC Weekly NAV Growth: (1355.138-1325.056)/1325.056-1=2.270%
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Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOORE: Mining Bond Beating the Moore's Law
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on: May 22, 2012, 07:45:07 AM
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Estimated Returns vs Normal Mining BondsNormal Mining Bonds are assumed to have a price of 0.3BTC/share, plotted in blue. Moore Bonds are assumed to have a price of 0.48BTC/share, plotted in red. X-axis is the number of weeks, Y-axis is the expected total return rate from coupons. The difficulty is set at 1,733,208. The date when block reward reduces to 25 is set at 30 weeks later. The first picture assumes that the difficulty does not change: The second picture assumes that when the block rewards turns to 25, the difficulty also turns to a half, as some miners will close their operations:
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Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOORE: Mining Bond Beating the Moore's Law
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on: May 22, 2012, 06:01:14 AM
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Perfect! Just a recommendation: Plot this (with assumed constant difficulty) for 1 year and show people the nice exponential curve! I'm now actively working on it, besides the planning of the initial portfolio, and the coordinating jobs of miners and mining operations. Expect a detailed estimation soon.
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Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOORE: Mining Bond Beating the Moore's Law
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on: May 21, 2012, 02:20:25 PM
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Looking good. Just a couple of points: 1. I find 10^6 * (1+0.89%)^(i-1) * f(i) / 2^32 a bit confusing. Fixed. Thanks for informing. 2. You're still basing payment on a chronological basis which I'm sure makes ROI easier to calculate, but mean you have to use a complex function to calculate f(i). Basing the coupon period on the greatest common denominator of the block count to halving the bitcoin reward (210000) and between difficulty changes (2016) mean that you'd calculate the dividend on 336 blocks at a time. You can still pay weekly if you want, although the weekly payment will vary depending on how many sets of 336 blocks were in that time period. But the divdend calculation becomes a lot simpler.
I think a more faithful connection to real mining process is more important than easier coupon calculation. So I may just stick to my new calculation formula. Good luck. I'll purchase some of these with my next lot of bond dividends.
Glad to know this. Thank you very much.
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Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOORE: Mining Bond Beating the Moore's Law
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on: May 21, 2012, 11:33:00 AM
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Revision of Coupon Payments
Definitions Financial Week: Starting from 16:00:00(GMT Time) each Tuesday, ending at 16:00:00(GMT Time) the succeeding Tuesday.
Coupon Unit: The quantity of Bitcoins paid each share each financial week.
Payment Time We assume T(0) is the IPO starting time, T(i) is the time of i-th coupon payment, and it should satisfy:
16:00:00(GMT Time) Tuesday of the i-th financial week <= T(i) < 16:00:00(GMT Time) Wednesday of the i-th financial week
The substraction on T(i) is defined in seconds, which means that (T(i)-T(i-1)) represents "how many seconds elapse between T(i) and T(i-1)".
Amount of Payments The coupon unit of the i-th financial week is:
10^6 * (1.0089)^(i-1) * f(i) / 2^32
in which f(i) is calculated as follows: f(i) = (t(1)-t(0))*B(0)/D(0) + ... + (t(n)-t(n-1))*B(n-1)/D(n-1) where: the number of the changes of difficulty and block reward between T(i-1) and T(i) is (n-1). t(0) equals to T(i-1). t(j) (when 0<j<n and n>1) means the time of the j-th change of either the difficulty or the block reward during T(i-1) and T(i). t(n) equals to T(i). B(j) means the last block reward before t(j+1). D(j) means the last difficulty number before t(j+1). The substraction on t(j) is also defined in seconds.
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Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOORE: Mining Bond Beating the Moore's Law
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on: May 21, 2012, 10:31:44 AM
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Just pay the expected 100% PPS rate:
Sum of ( (Hash rate * Time in seconds of difficulty 1 * block reward 1) / (difficulty 1 * 2^32) + (Hash rate * Time in seconds of difficulty 2 * block reward 2) / (difficulty 2 * 2^32) + ... )
The time in seconds either starts at the beginning of the week or at the last block of the old difficulty and ends at the last second of the week or at the last block of the current difficulty.
This matches real mining process most accurately. Thanks for figuring out for me. I think I fell into the pitfall of assuming that the difficulty change will always be mild so that I chose the over-simplified model. You are right. Extreme cases should be taken into account. Feel free to pay out on your flawed simplified model, but if a little bit of math is already too difficult to do, it makes me wonder if you're up to the task of handling a mining operation that has to double it's size consistently every 1.5 years...
Thanks for your criticism. I won't "feel free". I will do my best to revise my plan. I'm sorry for the informality and flaws of the OP, and will make a more detailed appendix to it.
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Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOORE: Mining Bond Beating the Moore's Law
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on: May 21, 2012, 03:34:10 AM
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"How long until your investment is gained as dividends" not, as it depends on difficulty "How long until you will have gained 10x the dividends of a static bond" is not calculable as well, as this also depends on difficulty.
Yes, they only make sense when we pre-make an assumption on future difficulty evolution. unless the payout calculation gets closer to the real expected values.
It seems you are concerned with my dividends calculation formula, and some other people too. Would it be better to change it to: R*(N*600*B*10^6)/(D*2^32) in which R, B and D keep the original meaning, and N means the number of actual blocks between the time of two payments? Thank you very much.
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Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] MOORE: Mining Bond Beating the Moore's Law
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on: May 20, 2012, 11:34:24 AM
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Well, as I said, you can also calculate how long it would take to be more profitable if you buy 1 MH/s MOORE right now at 0.50 BTC compared to 1 MH/s stable for 0.30 BTC...
What I was suggesting is that the pros and cons of our bonds, compared to normal ones, are multi-dimensional. Some will prefer growth, and some will prefer more immediate returns so they could use it elsewhere. The difficulty/price uncertainty of the future further complicates the choice. But you are right. We could make the calculation to give buyers more indication. "How much time it would take to be more profitable" would make a good indicator, and I believe so as "How long it will break even" and "How long the total dividends will exceed 10x of normal mining bonds", etc. Thank you very much.
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