True however we must build a foundation first by learning various things related to the world of trading at the beginning of the involvement, never think about making a profit first because in the end you will most likely have the same fate as some people who eventually fail and even waste a lot of money due to losses, and that's what will happen when you come in a hurry to make a profit, however everything must be done by having a good basic understanding along with having the intention and determination along with strong consistency in terms of learning which will add to our insight and knowledge related to the world of trading and that is our initial capital or foundation to make a profit. Like the parable you said above that a newborn baby should be started by giving them milk because their stomach is not yet strong enough to accept some common foods such as those consumed by adults in general because it will endanger a baby and obviously this can be equated with a beginner who is just entering the world of trading where the initial stage should start with something not too significant, meaning don't jump straight into the market and better understand and learn many things related to the world of trading, otherwise you will only waste money and time.

It is true and I think everyone should agree with this that it is a fact if everything is done when we are in a situation and condition tired due to other things then usually the results of our performance will not be maximized, although gambling depends on luck which makes me want to say that no matter if you are tired the name of victory can happen when you are lucky, but obviously however tired conditions will greatly affect decision making where there is a high probability for you to experience excessive emotions due to the atmosphere of the brain and mind being tired because of other things which ultimately makes you think of doing some aggressive actions based on frustration and desperation.

This is the importance of being able to manage and think rationally, which means that by having a healthy and rational mindset, I think it is small for you to force the situation just to gamble and most likely you will prefer to rest instead of gambling.

It is true that usually gamblers before playing only focus on the chances of winning a big jackpot and this becomes their biggest motivation to get excited to start gambling with confidence and high hopes for victory, even though in fact gambling is not only about winning because the name of victory is nothing more than a "chance" which means it still has no certainty to actually happen, meaning that if you fail to realize the opportunity into reality then obviously in the end what will happen is defeat and loss.

With what they do I think we can already conclude that they are gamblers who come with the intention and purpose only to earn which of course as we know that however the idea can never work in the long run, because when a gambler comes with such a goal then obviously they tend to treat gambling in an excessive way while winning only depends on how lucky you are at the time of running the session in addition to the name of luck will not come that often which means obviously this is the reason why usually this type of gambler will actually experience a greater number of losses than the victory they want.

Yups benar sekali, saya cukup setuju dengan pendapat anda gan, dan jujur saya jadi teringat pada salah satu teman saya yang benar - benar hobi main game yang sampai - sampai ruangan kamar tidurnya pun di penuhi dengan berbagai stiker dari game yang dia sukai dan saya juga mengakui bahwa dia jago mainnya tetapi yang di sayangkan adalah seperti yang anda katakan bahwa hal ini tergantung pada orangnya, karena dari apa yang saya lihat dari teman saya tersebut dia hanya hobi dan senang bermain game tetapi tidak memiliki kemauan atau dan membangun niat dan tekad untuk menjadikan hobinya sebagai peluang untuk menghasilkan uang yang padahal sebagian besar waktunya di habiskan hanya untuk bermain game yang mana di tambah lagi dia menganggur tetapi anehnya dia benar - benar tidak bisa berpikir bahwa hobinya bisa di manfaatkan untuk menghasilkan dan biasanya seperti yang saya katakan sebelumnya bahwa ini adalah tipikal orang yang hanya ingin sesuatu secara instan, jadi alasannya ya  cukup masuk akal untuk mengatakan bahwa ini adalah salah satu orang yang tidak mau bekerja keras yang dimana kepribadiannya ini hanya akan membuat hidupnya monoton sementara orang lain sudah melakukan banyak hal.

Well right, there are actually many other things that can be utilized or made as an alternative to entertain yourself when you are feeling lonely, because no matter how fun gambling is, gambling still has the possibility of risks that are sometimes very large and that we never expected before, On the other hand, I do not prohibit you from gambling but certainly you must reconsider your intentions before finally making a decision, if for example you have considered everything from various sides, especially by understanding that gambling can no longer be fun when you experience a lot of losses then it is up to you if you want to stay involved or make gambling an alternative to loneliness.

What is certain is to always have the ability to take responsibility for whatever you have done, because only then will you not feel regret or emotion when things do not go your way. And I will tell you that gambling can give you pleasure when you are able to control everything well, but if not then there is definitely no health or entertainment benefits whatsoever because all you will feel is a lot of tension and pressure.

Yes but as we know that most gamblers do not understand that, they do not really understand that gambling will always be about winning and losing so when they apply greed by continuing the game with the aim of returning something that has been lost or any reason then obviously the possibility of losing will continue to lurk. On the other hand, this is also one of the reasons why we are always advised to only put a small budget amount or an amount that we can afford when we lose, none other than because with this approach it is less likely for you to feel emotional or unhappy with the results and also this way can prevent you from the possibility of actions and thoughts of returning something that has been lost.

In my opinion, the main thing that must be corrected is the understanding of gambling, do not let you focus too much on winning because actually winning is just something that tempts gamblers so that they can act excessively which in the end the result turns out to be losing and this is an algorithm implemented by casinos to make gamblers lose consciousness and act excessively which in the end will only benefit the casino more.

Yups pretty much agree with your opinion, a period of 10 years is indeed quite long and maybe you or anyone can make a pretty maximum profit as a result of effort, hard work and maintaining consistency in the process that you have passed but that does not mean that after we complete the 10-year accumulation plan we no longer need money, because after all we will always need money to survive, which means not getting too hung up on the accumulation planning limit might be good enough to keep in mind, because the problem is that maybe you will also limit your mind to build further ideas or the point is that you only focus on planning for a period of 10 years.

Another thing is that I think having a plan for the accumulation that you want/will run is indeed a good approach (regardless of the timeframe) but I think this is just a plan, because after all it is a fact that we never know what will happen someday, or that means it is always possible for us to experience undesirable situations that can make us disrupt the accumulation plan that we have planned, For example, you are unexpectedly laid off from work which makes you experience a loss of income which of course the situation can make us experience a delay in the allocation for accumulation planning, meaning that I don't think it's bad to not focus too much on the planning period that you have set, or it means that you better think that while you can get involved in investing by applying good consistency to the DCA strategy as long as the situation is favorable then do it.

In general yes usually people will be able to learn or be able to gain knowledge when they experience bad things that are not desirable where the experience tells them that in the future they should not do the same thing, that is true but what we have to see here is that this is gambling which is an activity that involves a person's feelings and emotions which usually in some cases they do not realize and return to making the same mistakes such as chasing losses because they are unable to control themselves when they lose.

So I recognize that bad events can teach us lessons not to make the same mistakes but if we're talking about gambling then obviously it's really hard to stick to a plan, or what that means is that even if for example you've agreed with yourself not to make the same mistakes but still at the end of the day there will always be situations that are really hard for you to ignore especially when you see some temptations that look tempting when you're running a session, or when you have difficulty holding back your emotions so that it allows you to act out of control. So I think the cause of this is their mistake in terms of understanding what gambling is, because if for example they understand that gambling is about the chance of winning and the possibility of losing then they will definitely be able to accept the situation of losing and will recognize that losing is part of gambling.

True, usually the scenario will be more often experienced by gamblers who have the intention and purpose to earn in gambling, as you said that they are too focused on winning so this mindset makes them overlook that in fact it is the amount of money they have lost before that is returned by the casino, but still in the end it is really difficult and rarely a gambler can come out with a recovery or even a profit, because after all as we know that the percentage of losses in gambling is much greater than wins.

But the unfortunate fact is that most gamblers are too focused on winning that usually 10 defeats can be treated with one win even though the amount of winnings cannot cover the amount of loss from several defeats they have experienced before, I don't know the exact reason but certainly when we are too focused on winning then when we win instead of cashing out the winnings as an amount to restore something that has been lost before but they instead continue because they feel that it is an opportunity that must be utilized which ultimately ends in disappointment.

Right, if we're talking about gambling then obviously no matter who you are and how rich you are you can end up losing all your money in no time if you treat gambling the wrong way. As you said above that rich or poor will still have the same worries but maybe with different amounts of money, but still I think it's a silly question if someone is asking about who should take a bigger risk between rich and poor gamblers.
At the end of the day the best advice is to take the level of risk that is commensurate or within our means regardless of rich or poor.

Yes I understand that but I think there is absolutely no achievement when someone loses in gambling, achievement is always about a great achievement that you managed to achieve while when you lose then what do you get? nothing, instead what happens is that you will feel disappointed because you even lose money. Actually if we take gambling as the context of the conversation then I don't think it's right for someone to ask about achievement, because no matter how much you win in the end gambling will always be a risky activity that can make them lose again, and maybe I would say something more appropriate to talk about that I think a great achievement in gambling is when you are able to cash in the big win and then quit gambling completely, But the fact is that most gamblers find it difficult to do this and most of them act more aggressively and hope to get the same amount of winnings as before, which on the other hand, it is clear that the results in gambling will not always be what you want.

There are some people who think or say that a beginner in gambling will usually always be greeted by victory in the first session they do, but honestly I'm not sure about that, because after all gambling is still gambling, casinos never make anything (except luck) as a guarantee that someone including beginners will succeed in winning in their initial gambling session, In the end, it remains as you said that the victory that was achieved by beginners at the beginning of their gambling session was actually nothing more than a very lucky situation, or meaning that luck came at the right time and I am sure that there are some other beginners who have lost in their initial gambling session.

On the other hand what we must understand as gamblers especially beginners is that we must really understand that you will only be able to win when you are lucky, as you experienced in your gambling experience where you managed to win at the beginning of the involvement in gambling, I'm sure it was a pleasant situation but in the end you found out that the next session ended in defeat, which means that the casino does not make anything as a guarantee that you will win at the end of the session, it is still only luck that can ensure, while the name of luck is always unpredictable and this is the reason why all gamblers are always advised to gamble in moderation and put a budget that they can afford.

Benar, pada akhirnya kita bisa menyimpulkan bahwa itu adalah kegiatan yang hanya akan menghabiskan banyak waktu mereka secara sia - sia, setiap orang akan selalu memiliki kesempatan walaupun kesempatannya dalam hal - hal yang berbeda tetapi intinya adalah semua orang memiliki kesempatan tetapi mungkin yang di sayangkan adalah tidak semua dari mereka benar - benar mampu memanfaatkan kesempatan atau peluang tersebut yang pada akhirnya menghabiskan banyak waktu tetapi tanpa mendapat timbal balik positif apapun.

Menurut saya kita semua sudah bisa mengakui bahwa memang kini hampir 90% anak muda terlibat pada game online, mereka lebih banyak menghabiskan waktu untuk bermain game dan yang mengkhawatirkan adalah mereka para pemuda yang menganggur atau terjebak di zona nyaman yang malah semakin betah dengan dunianya, padahal jelas waktu akan terus bertambah yang artinya usia mereka juga akan terus bertambah sementara mereka masih tetap stagnan berada dalam situasi yang memprihatinkan, dan ya sebenarnya ini tergantung pada kepribadian orangnya, kalau misalnya cerdas dalam berpikir maka pasti mereka bisa menjadikan hobinya sebagai tempat yang akan memberi mereka penghasilan, seperti yang kita lihat akhir - akhir ini banyak sekali bermunculan konten kreator yang menjadikan game sebagai produk utama dari tayangan mereka yang dimana saya akan menyebut bahwa mereka mampu memanfaatkan kesempatan yang mereka miliki. Disisi lain saya akan mengatakan bahwa biasanya anak muda zaman sekarang selalu memikirkan hasil atau keuntungan secara instan, mereka mudah termotivasi tetapi sulit untuk melangkah yang padahal bagaimanapun kesuksesan tidak semudah membalikan telapak tangan.

Betul, salah satu alasan mengapa saya juga setuju dengan anda karena bagaimanapun momen - momen tersebut hanya akan datang ketika memang kita melakukan tindakan yang dimana tindakan itu artinya berupa kinerja atau kerja keras yang pada akhirnya menghasilkan momen untuk di jadikan sebagai kesempatan yang akan mengarahkan kita pada perkembangan. Artinya tetap saja pada akhirnya hanya tindakan hanya akan membawa kita pada perubahan karena bagaimanapun tidak ada kesuksesan hanya mengandalkan mimpi atau ilusi, dan juga menaruh harapan memang tidak ada salahnya karena semua orang pasti tidak akan menolak kalau untuk masalah kesuksesan atau memiliki kekuatan finansial yang bagus tetapi yang harus kita pahami adalah bagaimanapun semuanya selalu di mulai dengan keberanian dan tindakan, karena hanya itulah yang akan memberikan kita pengetahuan dan pengalaman agar kita bisa lebih berkembang.

Each person has different happiness and also each person has a different way of achieving their happiness, which means that maybe they feel happy with gambling when they spend the money from their winnings on things they like, especially buying clothes or other items that they like. like, while for you the greatest achievement in gambling is as you said, namely getting happiness and maybe I will add here that it is not a problem for someone to spend money from their winnings on something they like because it is a wise decision when you succeed in winning immediately make a withdrawal and enjoy it rather than risking the money again where the potential for loss will always be there. The point is that placing the goal of gambling just for entertainment is good and is always recommended, but if you can really enjoy the money from the winnings on things you like, such as buying things, then I would say that it is a wise decision. and it is quite rare for gamblers to make decisions like that.

That's right, because investing all your money in an investment is clearly too risky, because after all, investment is a place that is not only about the opportunity to make a profit, but the opportunity for profit will always run simultaneously with the possibility of loss which means you can experience losing money in any amount. . And on the other hand, I am sure that someone who puts all their money into investments is someone who doesn't really understand the world of investment, it seems like they don't know that the market has a fluctuating nature that can make them experience losses, and this is the reason why we are always advised to just put an amount that we can account for, it doesn't matter if the amount is small because our goal is to achieve profits in the future, namely 10 - 15 years, so it's better for us to only put a small amount that we can account for, along with maintaining consistent allocation of investments in the long term , it doesn't matter even if it's small because if your accumulation runs in the long term then the profits will definitely be good and this is the best approach or idea to keep your psychology calm and also give you a path to a brighter future.

There is nothing better than gambling in moderation because anything done in excess is always bad in any case and I think we may have often heard about some advice from people including some members here where they suggest to put a lot of restrictions on gambling involvement which is one of them is to apply limits to the time of involvement, the reason? of course gambling has a lot of temptations that can make gamblers tempted and ultimately bet an amount that is not in accordance with their abilities.

In the end, gambling every day will only lead you to more disappointing situations because the name of risk in gambling can never be avoided completely, and one way to avoid bad possibilities such as experiencing large losses is of course by limiting access or time of involvement in gambling, and for the problem of the idea that more often you gamble, you will win more often or get closer to victory is a ridiculous mindset that makes no sense when we talk about gambling.

True and addiction can have a bad impact on a person in any case and not only in the world of gambling, because the name addiction always involves something that is done too much, and especially if we talk about gambling which has the risk of losing money which can sometimes be in significant amounts, on the other hand if for example we talk about the bad effects of gambling when someone has entered the addiction phase then obviously there are many, not only will it destroy your financial situation but here is also a great potential to destroy your relationship with your family or people closest to you and also another impact is that it is not uncommon for us to find some people who end up stressed because they may not be strong with all the pressure that exists in gambling because they treat it in the wrong way.

Gambling involves money because it is only with money that you will be able to get involved, while gambling will also always be a risky activity, so when you have entered the addiction phase where you treat gambling in an excessive way then obviously the number of losses will certainly be far greater than the victory but usually they will not give up that easily, they will look for various ways such as finding money by legalizing all means just to pay for their gambling activities and this is the bad impact of addiction.

Yes, that's people nowadays, they are easily tempted by whatever they see, especially when it comes to money and usually they don't like having to go to the trouble of learning by themselves and creating their own knowledge to equip them to start trading or investing, they just want something straight away. instant and the only way that they think is very easy and simple is by following paid signals provided by groups that actually they don't really know about the truth of these signals and they also don't know whether these signals can really produce profits according to whether promised or not, ultimately in some cases more of them are caught in fraud and lose money.

On the other hand, I don't know the reason why it is so easy for them to put their trust, but one thing I believe here is that the urge to get rich quickly and instantly is in their minds, even though it is clear that success or success can never be achieved by means of depend on other people, even though yes maybe these signals are useful occasionally to gain profits but if for example they don't know the knowledge at all then clearly this situation will not last in the long term, the other thing is yes I also agree with you that now I really I don't believe in signals anymore, at first I was quite confident, but after I lost quite a large amount of money by following these signals, that's when I really felt traumatized and preferred to learn everything myself from the start, gradually.

Yes, that's right, and of course the involvement of emotions within ourselves will really disturb us when it comes to making decisions, while on the other hand, gambling is always about risk-taking activities, where it is always recommended to take the amount of risk that suits your abilities, but yes, it is clear as you said that Emotions can make it difficult for someone to think rationally, which clearly can influence decision making.

Being positive and calm as you said above is indeed good and useful for making rational decisions, but I think this can only be done by people who really have a correct understanding of what gambling is, while on the other hand, most gamblers who Those involved are gamblers who are dominated by the intention and goal of making money so I think it is still quite difficult for them to actually be able to follow such directions.