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521  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dangerous chasing losses on: November 17, 2023, 11:11:37 AM
They need the balance and the kind of mindset that will keep them away to any form of greed and addiction, chasing your loses most of the time push to lose more, and from that point you may develop bad gambling habits and turn you to become an addicted gambler, better to enjoy if you win some money of when you already lose your initial capital make sure to stop and not to add more money to try recovering back you loses, it's not a good practice, accept your defeats and take as rest to freshen your mindset and recreate a good strategy after.

I am a person who chases losses until I spend all my savings. It was a bad condition for me. I did that when I was new to gambling. I don't have enough experience yet so I keep chasing losses and increasing the bet so that one win can cover the previous loss. But what I did was wrong, chasing losses made me lose more money. I realized it too late, and only realized it when all my savings were gone. This was a bad but valuable experience for me

Yes, that's one of the impacts because you always overdo it and bring an improper mindset to gambling, I think that means you have entered the real addiction phase if you behave like that in your gambling involvement. Of course that is a very bad condition for you, and I'm sure the impact you feel is not playing around with a lot of financial problems and maybe also with significant mental stress. Yes that's right, it usually happens to beginners and I'm sure you come not to seek entertainment as you should but it seems like you come because you have seen some victories that have been achieved by others or maybe your friends so you are tempted and want to have the same fate.

Lately I think most of those who suffer from addiction are those who have just been involved or entered into gambling, none other than because as I have said above that they come with the wrong mindset and also added because they do not have any experience and never see the impact that happens to other people who have already fallen into addiction. The wrong mindset makes them lose control and of course with that, chasing defeat is always a matter that they think is a good alternative to recovery even though there is no guarantee whatsoever. Of course, the actual fact is that chasing defeat will only cause a lot of problems, so it is important to note that before you enter you must first see what risks are in gambling, because it is clear that usually defeat will dominate more than victory.
522  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambler avoiding friends after a big win. on: November 17, 2023, 08:21:49 AM
~snip~
Yes, basically conditions like this are indeed quite confusing for someone who has just won, between they have to fulfill their personal needs with the money they won or maybe they will celebrate their victory with their friends with the risk that the money will definitely run out quickly. I'm sure if I were in that condition then I would also be quite confused in choosing a decision, on the other hand I need the money but on the other hand I also don't want to lose my friends. But I think the middle way in this problem is like for example they talk to their friends that they have a very important need and what they can do is maybe just share their friends a few percent of the winnings and not choose to party because it will definitely be very wasteful. I think that's a pretty good solution for a balance, and also yes hopefully some of their friends will understand the situation you're in at the time.

Yes, if you really don't want to be complicated with problems like that then it's better from the start you don't tell them anything, and don't take actions that can make them suspicious of you. Basically good friends are those who can understand and appreciate each other, I'm sure their friends won't be that bad even though they have pretty bad habits, at least maybe they will be able to understand about your situation at that time.
I also prefer to tell my friends the truth so they know that I have interests to fulfill with that money. I know they will definitely be disappointed, but as good friends, they will also definitely support me at times like that because they also have needs that must be met, like mine. And the solution you gave by sharing a few percent of the winnings with friends to celebrate their victory is good enough because we have told them about our problems, but we also give a little to our friends so they can celebrate. I think they might feel uncomfortable accepting our gift because we have been honest with them. Honesty will provide a solution to what we are experiencing so that our friends understand the situation.

Good friends are hard to find, and therefore, we should always be honest with them whatever we are facing so that they can understand the situation and will provide support to us. This also won't be a burden on us because we have explained it to them, and we even gave them a little of the winnings so they can share in the excitement and celebrate together. This is where we can feel the closeness of our friendship with them, and that is difficult to find nowadays.

Hmm yes it seems that it is the best that can be done when we are in such conditions, it is better for us to tell the truth about the truth to them, than we lie and on the other hand later surely at least they will harbor jealousy towards us, and of course it will definitely interfere or become a problem in our friendship. So yes, as I said, maybe the middle way that can be taken is just to tell them honestly about our needs, and as a remedy so that they are not too disappointed, we can give them a little money from our winnings, I'm sure it won't be a big problem if we want to be honest and they also I think they will definitely be able to understand about our condition.

Yes, it is quite difficult to be able to get friends who are truly sincere, sometimes there are also friends who are friends but only need it or just want to benefit from us, and there are also friends who are truly sincere with no strings attached. And on the other hand with money we will usually know human nature, but yes I hope one of your friends is a good and sincere friend who does not ask for anything or in the sense of a true friend as you said.
523  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 16, 2023, 02:45:08 PM
In my opinion, Manchester united has not changed this season, in fact they have experienced a slight decline in starting the league this season, and it is not surprising because Manchester United itself has not really changed the team scheme while still retaining its old players, so it is not surprising that their performance has not changed either.
Maybe there will be an increase in team performance, but it will take a long time and many matches ahead for a coach to find a scheme that is suitable for a team with limited players.
If Manchester United wants to make significant changes this season with the player scheme and the way they play this season, the coach and the team as a whole must really care about this. Especially they have to take advantage of the transfer market when it opens again this season and also change the way they play slowly so that there are more significant changes for the team, because what Manchester United needs now is to win in every game that remains this season.

Yes, although Manchester United have managed to get a few wins in their last few Premier League matches but that's not the end of it, they still need a lot of adjustments in terms of balance to restore consistency in performance. I honestly don't know what Ten Hag will do but there is certainly no time for him to relax in the midst of a team that needs a lot of changes. Changing the scheme and tactics of play may be one of the actions that need to be taken, I hope Ten Hag will know what the real problem is with his squad. Yes as the transfer window reopens this season then it might be a good opportunity for Ten Hag to look for some candidates who can help in the change of his team, and also yes I think the main point is that somehow Ten Hag must change the game scheme, try some actions to restore the consistency of the squad. There are only a few games left towards the end of the season and I hope Manchester United will be able to climb back up at least into the top five of the table which is still pretty good.
524  Economy / Economics / Re: Why is it difficult for people to get capital easily? on: November 16, 2023, 01:46:23 PM
not all of them are like that. If you want and dare to take risks, try sending a proposal to a capital company that might help your business. they will be interested if it is interesting to them from the concept and profit. don't rush into despair. We have many ways to get there, but sometimes we feel it's impossible. but what if we try it first? Wouldn't this be good, even if it fails, at least we have tried.

True, basically difficulties are actually only for those people who don't want to do anything but have very high dreams, how can you possibly achieve all your dreams if you are basically just silent without any action. If you really want to have a business or build a business but you are having problems in terms of capital, I don't think it can be used as a complete excuse for you not to do anything, because obviously as you said that now everything is quite easy, you can submit a proposal to several service companies that will be able to provide you with a loan in a certain amount.

With that the problem is solved and you can build your business, as long as you have prepared a lot of preparation regarding some basic things that are needed to manage your business properly. Sometimes it's like what I said above, someone has high dreams but they don't do anything and don't want to take risks, basically if you want to experience progress in your life then you have to take risks, everything that goes on in life will have its own risks, and why there are people who can succeed it's because they dare to take risks who never give up in fighting to achieve their dreams so that they will get something worth the process they have gone through. Failure is not an excuse, because it is a natural part of everyone's journey, because only by failing will you know what you should do next for something better.
525  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambler avoiding friends after a big win. on: November 16, 2023, 01:25:22 PM
~snip~
And that means that environmental factors will have a big influence on a person's life, it is clear and I believe that if the character of their friends is a person who likes to waste when they have money then surely when they know that you get a win from gambling then they will advise you to do what they usually do. Basically, everyone has their own life and there will also be times when they really need money for their personal affairs, if they need money for their personal affairs and at the same time they get a win from gambling then obviously the main thing they will do is fulfill their needs first before thinking about the advice of their friends.

In this condition if you remain firm to hide your victory then I think it is quite risky for your friendship, because obviously if only they know about what you are hiding then maybe they will not consider you as a friend anymore, it is very possible. So yes it's true that when we are in a condition like that there is no other way but you prepare a very reasonable reason such as for example to pay debts or whatever it is, it doesn't matter if you lie because it's better than you follow their way to squander money. But on the other hand there are also friends who understand your condition and some who don't, some come for profit and some come because they are sincere, it is a human character that is beyond anyone's control.
Indeed, it has something to do with the environment in which a person lives and how his friendship with his friends is because if his friends are like you said, someone who wins will definitely not have the personal time to do something related to their life. After all, they will be bothered by the desires of their friends who ask them to celebrate winnings from gambling. He wouldn't be able to prepare and carry out his plans because his friends wouldn't let him do anything outside of what they were currently doing, so the person could only obey his friends. But if that person has strong intentions and can refuse his friend's invitation to party, he will definitely do it even though there is a risk that he could be ostracized from his environment. But even though he was ostracized from his environment, he could move to a new environment far from his old friends so he could carry out his plans well.

And it is our choice to hide the winnings we get from them because they are not good friends who are only there when we are happy and even invite us to party for a few days, and that is actually a waste that is not worth doing. We should immediately get rid of various excuses and not have to think about whether we can't accept them because this is our life, and we have the opportunity to win prizes from gambling. We must immediately carry out our plans, especially now that we have so much money that we don't need to postpone them. Good friends will always support our plans and give us the best advice so that if we want to do something, they will definitely offer help and will do it wholeheartedly without expecting anything in return from us.

Yes, basically conditions like this are indeed quite confusing for someone who has just won, between they have to fulfill their personal needs with the money they won or maybe they will celebrate their victory with their friends with the risk that the money will definitely run out quickly. I'm sure if I were in that condition then I would also be quite confused in choosing a decision, on the other hand I need the money but on the other hand I also don't want to lose my friends. But I think the middle way in this problem is like for example they talk to their friends that they have a very important need and what they can do is maybe just share their friends a few percent of the winnings and not choose to party because it will definitely be very wasteful. I think that's a pretty good solution for a balance, and also yes hopefully some of their friends will understand the situation you're in at the time.

Yes, if you really don't want to be complicated with problems like that then it's better from the start you don't tell them anything, and don't take actions that can make them suspicious of you. Basically good friends are those who can understand and appreciate each other, I'm sure their friends won't be that bad even though they have pretty bad habits, at least maybe they will be able to understand about your situation at that time.
526  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: November 15, 2023, 12:44:29 PM
As far as I remember, no Union Berlin players were released last summer and their squad was still intact like the previous season and if anyone left it was a player who was not included in Urs Fischer's plans. Key players such as Sheraldo Becker and Kevin Behrens are still at Union Berlin and both were top scorers last season for Union Berlin. But not only that, Union Berlin also brought in quite good players such as Robin Gosens from Inter and David Datro Fofana from Chelsea. Of course, Urs Fischer brought in this player to strengthen his attack line and midfield, but it hasn't been successful enough until now. Union Berlin still has a long way to go in the Bundesliga and they can actually still enter the top 10 if they show the same performance as last season.

The problem are the new players. Union Berlin had previously brought in unknown players. Or well-known players who have not been in the A-Team at the respective club for a long time. They have slowly integrated these players into the team and built them up. With the purchase of Gosens and Fofana, they have broken with this philosophy. They were allowed to play straight away and the players who had always played last season sat suddenly on the bench. That brought turbulence into the entire team. If there is then a lack of success, the first cracks appear in a team-unit that has not grown together.

But now we will see a new coach who will be able to deal with that.
It's difficult to talk about Union Berlin at the moment because they're a very different club than they were before and indeed apart from their busy schedule this season I also agree with what you're saying because Union this season seem to be breaking the philosophy they've built since the beginning which is precisely the change that makes them even worse.
Not only in domestic competitions now but also competitions as big as the Champions League they are like a complement now. Honestly I expected the same Union as last season but now it seems like expecting that with the condition of the Union like this will be very difficult to happen.

For this season to be honest there is absolutely nothing to expect from Union Berlin, the difference in their changes is very significant if we see or compare them in the current season and last season. Last season they had a very good season and could compete in the top five area of the standings by finishing in the top 4, with their success last season I thought indirectly it would be a pretty good indication to go through this season very well, but apparently the facts that happened were far from what was expected especially for their fans.

This season Union Berlin is very bad and far from luck, but yes, this is the fact that actually happened, like a team, basically there will definitely be changes either for the better or vice versa for the worse as they are experiencing now. In my opinion, there is nothing more to expect from them either in the Bundesliga or in the UCL.
527  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambler avoiding friends after a big win. on: November 15, 2023, 12:06:50 PM
~snip~
Sometimes it's not just all about privacy that most gamblers avoid their friends after winning big. There are friends that are very consuming and likes squandering of money whenever they see it and would definitely advice their friends to also do same whenever they have money at their disposal and I don't think it's bad to avoid such friends whenever one wins because failure to avoid them would definitely result to spending like them and still not make good use of the money gotten from the big win in gambling.
So in other to wisely invest one's big winnings in meaningful things that'll in return be source of income to the gambler, I think it's absolutely fine to avoid such friends
This usually happens in our friendships, so if several friends do it, they will also advise us to do it too, even though we need the money for something more important. We can avoid friends like that and prepare the right reasons so that they can understand why we do it, and as good friends, they will understand the reasons we give. They may help us to solve the problems we are facing because I have experienced something like that before. My friends came to my house because they heard I was having a problem, and they helped me find a solution. So it will depend on the friendship we have and how much they care about their fellow friends. If they really care, they don't mind it, and instead, they will help us to solve the problem.

And that means that environmental factors will have a big influence on a person's life, it is clear and I believe that if the character of their friends is a person who likes to waste when they have money then surely when they know that you get a win from gambling then they will advise you to do what they usually do. Basically, everyone has their own life and there will also be times when they really need money for their personal affairs, if they need money for their personal affairs and at the same time they get a win from gambling then obviously the main thing they will do is fulfill their needs first before thinking about the advice of their friends.

In this condition if you remain firm to hide your victory then I think it is quite risky for your friendship, because obviously if only they know about what you are hiding then maybe they will not consider you as a friend anymore, it is very possible. So yes it's true that when we are in a condition like that there is no other way but you prepare a very reasonable reason such as for example to pay debts or whatever it is, it doesn't matter if you lie because it's better than you follow their way to squander money. But on the other hand there are also friends who understand your condition and some who don't, some come for profit and some come because they are sincere, it is a human character that is beyond anyone's control.
528  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Health Benefits of Gambling on: November 15, 2023, 11:30:38 AM
@OP has explained that only people who can truly be responsible in gambling will get the benefits. And we know that many people cannot be responsible when gambling. We ourselves have to decide. If we want to get the health benefits of gambling, we must be responsible gamblers.
Yes, being a responsible gambler will not feel pain and will not damage your mental health due to addiction, that's why you need to control yourself before gambling because by controlling it we can play wisely and responsibly, so far I don't think that by playing responsibly you can have health impacts. as we know @OP said, we can relieve stress and increase our mood of happiness.

But it is true that what I feel so far while gambling responsibly by limiting my gambling budget and limiting my gambling time, all of this makes me not feel any burden, instead it makes me feel happy when gambling without thinking about losing a lot of money, only a calm mind. without any stress. but it all comes back to each person's thoughts, because not everyone thinks like that

Therefore, to be honest, I personally always try to be a responsible gambler by always imposing a lot of restrictions on my gambling activities and coming up with only a small budget amount, that's because before I also fell into the trap of addiction even though it was at a low level but honestly it was very unpleasant, every day I feel the pressure from a financial point of view because I always go overboard in putting the budget amount with a very high level of trust and confidence, maybe for some people especially newly involved in gambling who still have high ambitions in gambling will not really believe what I just said, but honestly it doesn't matter at all to me because I'm sure they will say yes if they have experienced it.

I think the fact of the matter is that if you really want the benefits of gambling to put you back in a good mood then there's no other way, like you said by limiting your budget and being a responsible gambler then you'll be able to feel the true pleasure of a few good rounds without getting your hopes up. I think it all really depends on a person's mindset and level of expectation, if they really take care of those two things then I'm sure they will feel what is meant by fun in gambling.
529  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 14, 2023, 09:14:33 AM
Chelsea know how to battle with big teams in this season, but they failed easily with some small teams or is it how their new coach thought them in this season, because what Chelsea did to Manchester city made me to believe that with time Chelsea will make a good record to start displaying what Manchester city is displaying in this season that is making them to lead the premier league table. The match started as usual when Manchester city was leading with one goal in the first half before Chelsea turned to equalized the goal that made many people think that what happened to Arsenal is about to happen and it was a surprised match seen Chelsea draw the Match with Manchester city 4-4 to share the points. I don't think, those new players coming to join Chelsea will make them to sit on the second or first position in the premier league table because Manchester city, Tottenham Hotspur and Arsenal will never allow such thing to happen in this season than to go and prepare for another match that will make them to defeat Chelsea as usual.
Chelsea has proven that they are still one of the big teams in the Premier League, but their inconsistent performance is normal in my opinion because this team is in the process of getting back up after going through many changes in the squad so it will take time for them to slowly recover. return.
And from what is happening now, many people have no doubt that Chelsea can be even better, now they just need time to be consistent.
Maintaining team consistency is not easy, but at least Chelsea has proven that they are a strong team, Mauricio Pochettino is a coach who has experience in the Premier League and I believe that he will be able to put Chelsea back in the top flight, but not this season.

Although only their last two games have looked promising but honestly I will not fully believe that Chelsea will really change for the better, but on the other hand yes maybe the success in the last two games is enough to indicate that there are signs of change from Pochettino's squad, although I will first fully believe but at least this is a good sign. Last season was indeed as we saw that they really slumped by only being able to finish 12th in the standings, but let's just say that it was their time of change that we some good signs have begun to be quite visible.

Yes that's right, that indeed now what most Blues fans hope is that they expect Chelsea to be able to maintain their performance like this, they hope that there is consistency created for the next few games, although it might be quite hard to expect to win the title or even enter the top five of the standings because the season time is not long anymore, for this season yes maybe I won't have too much hope for them, but for next season I don't think there is any reason for them to slump again, after all it's time for them to restore the prestige of the club in the Premier League.
530  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Health Benefits of Gambling on: November 14, 2023, 08:54:56 AM
You can only reap the health benefits of gambling if you're gambling responsibly and there's no pressure to win when you deviate from this you will feel the pressure to make money which will result in headaches and depression.
Our doctors recommend that we do all things moderately and we should do things in good spirits you can do this in gambling if understand the fact that you cannot win all the time in gambling and your chances are when you're lucky.
So next time you are in front of a gambling table or dashboard be sure to have fun enjoy the game and don't mind about the profit you will feel fine and enjoy the health benefits that come from gambling.
 

There is no actual health benefit to be gotten by most people from gambling. People who play recreationally and for fun would probably have some stress relieved from their bodies as they’re doing something they enjoy doing.
This isn’t the case for everyone as people gamble for fun as well as a host of other reasons. I think any stress free pastime activity that an individual enjoys doing would naturally relieve stress in that person. These health benefits are not beneficial for everyone and not solely gotten from gambling as an activity.

Yes, I think so too, basically overall in my opinion there is no real health whatsoever that can be obtained by gamblers from their gambling activities. One of the benefits that they can get maybe if we talk from a matter of time that is not more for entertainment only, they can get some entertainment and sensation from a pretty good spin in gambling that can make their stress or depression quite treated due to other things, gambling should be used only for that, or I mean not more than just for fun if you really believe that by gambling you can get that pleasure.

Although basically there are still quite a lot of other activities that they can choose outside of gambling that can keep them entertained, but whatever it all does come back to each of their decisions about what they will choose, between entertainment that is a little risky or pure entertainment without risk such as going to one of the tourist attractions. So it means that everyone has their own freedom and judgment about where they will seek entertainment and whether or not the activity actually entertains them.
531  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dangerous chasing losses on: November 14, 2023, 08:34:01 AM
the problems continually lays within the gamblers who react in a way that ends up detrimental to them, and that's why most casinos always advocate responsible gambling always on their platforms, gambling it's self if followed the way it aught to be , it's actually fun and not harmful but gamblers abuse it to their detriment because usually anything fun can definitely be addictive.

A gambling company also wants to attract professional gamblers because those gamblers will gamble on their site for a long time. Casinos also don't want gamblers who come in with a large bankroll and quit gambling within days. Because there is no long term benefit from them. So casino companies always try to support those gamblers those who gamble responsibly. Many also give several cautionary messages to those who fall prey to temptation. Now if gamblers are not aware but speak out against casino gambling companies I would say it is their ignorance.

Yes it is possible, but on the other hand it will also not rule out the possibility that professional gamblers may leave the gambling site if the casino has below average value according to them, and also vice versa if the casino is very comfortable and has a high percentage of trust then it is certain that professional gamblers will be there for a long time, because for them comfort and safety are the top priorities. And for the problem of the casino supporting responsible gamblers, in my opinion, it is a bit off, because what is meant by responsible is when gamblers are always not excessive in their gambling involvement in terms of the amount of budget or in terms of the time they use, while on the other hand the casino wants a big loss suffered by gamblers, which means that in my opinion the casino always wants gamblers to overdo it because then the casino will have a big profit, I think this statement is quite reasonable.
532  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 13, 2023, 10:26:28 AM
The main opening of the season in the Premier League in the face of Tottenham is slowly starting to deflate, having lost the second match in a row. And it is not necessary to say that this happened in extra time, because Tottenham itself won a bunch of matches in the season, snatching victory in the last minutes. Another question is whether such results will not be the beginning of a peak and how long the crisis will drag on.
Totenham played so badly and ange was aware about that. I think that the this is the beginning of the falling of totenham. The performance from totenham has been declining but that's ange's problem. Hope it will be fixed soon. So many eyes are focusing into the game between chelsea vs manchester city. It's caused by this game is so hyped. Chelsea gets draw against manchester city but the thing that amazes me if chelsea was able playing equal compared to the manchester.
I dunno what was the main problemf aced by chelsea when it was facing the small clubs but the performance from chelsea kinda different.

Many people were watching the match and it's really worthy time consuming. EPL becomes even more interesting since some clubs were coming back again. The performance from chelsea was amazing.
I think that chelsea can enter into the europa league next season. I hope chelsea will always be doing well till the last match of the currenbt season. Chelsea vs city has also become trending on twitter.

Yes that's right, and as time goes by now Tottenham is getting down from the standings, initially the arrival of this team in the top five of the standings was very surprising to all eyes, they came suddenly and until they could reach the top of the standings, honestly I never thought that they would have such a sharp performance this season. But yes as we see that now they are getting worse, it all started in their last few matches against Chelsea with a landslide score and followed by defeat in the match afterwards against Wolves, honestly I also think it looks like these two defeats are the beginning of Tottenham's return to their usual slump.

Now they are ranked fourth below Arsenal, and yes, however Ange must be able to improve the consistency of his club. And yes it's true, I thought at first Chelsea's victory with a landslide score over Tottenham I thought it was just luck, but it turns out it looks like my assumption was wrong because it was clear in last night's match Chelsea were able to perform very well against Manchester City by winning a draw, honestly it was an extraordinary score for a team that was slumping against an elite team like Manchester City. With all this evidence then it seems that I am a little convinced that indeed Pochettino has begun to succeed in making changes to his team, and yes if only they can maintain their consistency then I think it is true that Chelsea have a chance to qualify or enter the Europa League, they still have time until the end of the season, as long as they continue to be consistent.
533  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What are some things you should always avoid while gambling ? on: November 13, 2023, 10:05:30 AM
That's right, that method is really not recommended, borrowing money just to gamble is the most reckless way in my opinion, how can they have that kind of mindset or way out to realize their desire to gamble, while on the other hand as you said that gambling is nothing more than a profit - profit activity. That method will only add a lot of problems, that's for sure because obviously if it turns out that you lose then you will be confused about how to replace the money you have borrowed, and after that there seems to be no other way except to borrow again to other people to cover the previous debt.

In my opinion, usually people like that are none other than because their level of addiction is so high that they cannot consider anything they will do. Yes that's right buddy, so it's true that self-control is very important, because that's the only thing that might help them to be able to control and consider every decision they will choose. Setting an amount that will not be a problem if you end up losing is better, rather than you putting a large amount but the end result is still losing.
Gambling with borrowed money? No way. It leads to failure. Borrow money, gamble, lose - what next? You're in debt. Gambling losses add to debt. The cycle is hard to break

Complex psychology underlies gambling addiction. Not simply the excitement of the win, but the illusion of control and the assumption that the next wager will be the big win. However, gambling chances are always against you. The house is winning-oriented. Their business survives that way

It doesn't make sense does it? yes I also never thought why someone could have such a mindset, of course it is a very silly action, although I can't blame but try to be more realistic in seeing this gambling. If you really want to borrow for other emergency needs for the benefit of your life and get out it's no problem and go ahead because there are benefits that you will get, but if you borrow with the aim of allocating to gambling I think it's really a ridiculous act, how can you be so sure of the final result? Of course as usual that the casino has made a system so that losing always dominates and winning only happens occasionally, everyone has proven and that is the fact why now many people are in a cycle of addiction.

Yes, psychology is the basis of a person's addiction, and besides that, the driving force is in terms of hope and opportunities in gambling that make them continue to think the same that someday they will be able to get a victory to restore the defeat in the previous time. Basically what makes the system is the casino and the casino wants you to lose because your defeat is an advantage for them, so in my opinion by understanding that alone it is very clear that no matter how hard you try to get a win, the final result is usually not as expected.

So, the answer? The key is self-control. You need rules. Set a gambling budget you can lose without ruining your life. Commit to it. No matter what. Discipline and risk management are key. Gambling should be fun, not profitable. When money enters involved, you're in danger

The casino has set us up through the system they created, they wash our mindset until finally addiction, and there is nothing else that can prevent that from happening is like you said self-control and some other restrictions, we must be able to create our own rules for the good of ourselves in particular so as not to overdo it and for the way is that there is nothing else but just self-control and full responsibility for everything you will do. It is better to put a small amount, the point is that if you do lose then you will not experience mental and psychological stress, and also with that you will not enter a very bad addiction phase. 
534  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dangerous chasing losses on: November 13, 2023, 09:22:14 AM
The real fact is that ten defeats will be able to be treated with just the sensation of one victory, that's the fact that actually happens, so if you look at the number of y = defeats and the number of wins they get in a certain period of time then I am sure that the number of defeats will be much greater than the victory, but strangely they are still fine and keep gambling as usual without considering anything with the facts that have happened that the number of defeats is much greater. Yes, indirectly with the enthusiasm and hope that you always carry in gambling, it will make you not realize that the actual number of defeats is much more than you imagine.

Yes that's right, that indeed the victory is nothing but a temptation for you to continue to engage in gambling, the casino will not let you go because your defeat is a victory for them, therefore the casino gives you an occasional victory from dozens of tries, nothing but the goal is to keep you involved in gambling and benefit them. Isn't my statement very logical?
Realistically, gambling is all about how you feel when you win or lose. Of course, winning at gambling is very satisfying, don't you think? These victories are more important than the losses. The losses, on the other hand, are actually way more. There's more to it than just losing more often than winning. It's how our mind handle wins and losses

These companies know this. They know a lot about things. That one win out of dozens of tries is just to keep you playing. Smart planning led to this plan. They're not playing the game on the table; they're playing a psychological game. They're winning too. Statement from you? Very reasonable, that. Unfortunately, this is the harsh truth about gambling. Many people fall for the lure of the odd win. The players keep coming back for more, hoping and thinking of that big win. But what really happens? It's a loop where losing more often than winning happens

Well that's exactly right, you said something that is in line with the facts about the difference in feelings between winning and losing, it's quite clear. As I said before that ten defeats will be able to be cured just by getting the sensation of one victory, and that's the perspective in the human mind, especially for those who are addicted like you said here.

Yes, casino companies have arranged everything very neatly, they not only set up the system but apply a tantalizing element of temptation so that gamblers can get addicted to their game concept. Therefore this is a very logical reason why someone can very easily get into addiction and it is also a logical reason why they are difficult to get out of that phase, because their psychology has been controlled by the system in the casino. Therefore, I am sure that every gambler when they want to get involved in gambling or when they want to play, they will definitely feel and assume that "this time I will be able to be one of the lucky ones out of ten people who play", the fact is that the cycle will continue without any time limit that can determine. Therefore, I am honestly quite concerned when someone does not bring any limitations at all and is so ambitious in seeing this gambling.
535  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 12, 2023, 01:43:28 PM
With this abysmal performance of Tottenham,  it is crystal clear that Manchester City will not find it hard winning the English Premier League this season. I never expected it to be as easy as I'm seeing it now because I thought that both Tottenham and Liverpool will be a formidable contenders. Time has proven me wrong because both are not doing what I expected them to do. If Tottenham should loose any match, it shouldn't be against Wolves.

I don't see why Tottenham and Liverpool are in the same category. Despite their recent performances, Tottenham has been a mid team for a long time and since it's very hard to be consistent, I don't see Tottenham keeping up with their performances every match day. Liverpool on the other hand, have been consistent at several times and just because they had to share points away at Luton last week doesn't make anything close to Tottenham.  Also there's plenty of things that are bound to changed in the coming game weeks. Even arsenal is having a tough but got no mention from you.
It's a problem that Tottenham always has every season. They are actually a good team and can compete in at least the top 5 of the table, but they can only stay at that point without any progress. At the start of this season I saw something new they could show and there's no denying it was a good thing. But recently they also slipped in the last 2 matches that had to lose, the results made them displaced by Manchester City and Arsenal who kicked them to 3rd place, and that was an uncertain position because Liverpool had 1 more match than them.

A very surprising start to the season for a team like Tottenham, it turns out they can make changes very well compared to last season, I'm sure their performance this season was never expected by most Premier League lovers, they were able to enter the top five of the standings and even some time ago they could occupy the top position, indirectly it also includes the best achievements for a team that always wants the title at the end of the season. And yes on the other hand unfortunately Tottenham could not maintain the consistency of their performance at the top of the standings so that things that were not wanted happened, the defeat against Chelsea with a high score greatly disappointed their fans, and was also followed by their last match which turned out to be a defeat against Wolves.

Honestly I can't be sure if this is a bad start from Tottenham for some other disappointing results in the next matches, but certainly it is natural because the competition in the top five is very tight and Manchester City will not allow any club to take over their title dominance at the end of the season, and also yes it is true on the other hand Liverpool has a pretty good chance of being able to overtake Tottenham in third place because as you said they have 1 more game yet to play.
536  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What are some things you should always avoid while gambling ? on: November 12, 2023, 12:58:36 PM
and borrowing money to gamble will only double your losses , yeah there is a chance to win and pay the debt
but what if you lose? you need to pay that capital and of course the interest in due time and will continue increase the long time you
delayed in payment .like what you said the more you wanted to win is the more you attract losing as this is how my cousin lose her
house and Lot just because of addiction , he kept borrowing using her house as collateral and ending  the bank took the house and
lot and now he is homeless and feel sorry for His stupidity.
Taking out a loan to gamble is a very bad thing to do because borrowing money just for good luck in gambling will certainly create additional problems for us if we lose at gambling and we cannot pay it back because we lost at gambling. If we have experienced an addiction to gambling, it will make us sell what we have just to be able to fulfill the desire to gamble and we will lose everything we have because we cannot avoid the desire to gamble. If we want to avoid gambling addiction, we must be able to control it. ourselves when gambling and also have to set a budget amount for our desire to gamble, if we cannot do this I think we will lose everything we have because we cannot control ourselves and also our desire to gamble.

That's right, that method is really not recommended, borrowing money just to gamble is the most reckless way in my opinion, how can they have that kind of mindset or way out to realize their desire to gamble, while on the other hand as you said that gambling is nothing more than a profit - profit activity. That method will only add a lot of problems, that's for sure because obviously if it turns out that you lose then you will be confused about how to replace the money you have borrowed, and after that there seems to be no other way except to borrow again to other people to cover the previous debt.

In my opinion, usually people like that are none other than because their level of addiction is so high that they cannot consider anything they will do. Yes that's right buddy, so it's true that self-control is very important, because that's the only thing that might help them to be able to control and consider every decision they will choose. Setting an amount that will not be a problem if you end up losing is better, rather than you putting a large amount but the end result is still losing.
537  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dangerous chasing losses on: November 12, 2023, 12:36:37 PM

Due to the lack of knowledge and understanding of the public, it is easy for influencers to promote online and offline casinos, and only a few people have luck there.

Indeed, there is nothing wrong with creating an online casino network, as long as people make good use of it, namely not expecting too much there by spending large amounts of money, only a little and only when necessary.
So the public will not lose much, perhaps they will enjoy the gambling they see there, while the companies also make money there by installing a network of online and offline casinos.
Some people that gamble are covered by the little winning they do get and when those winning come they do forget the fact that they have lost a lot in gambling, I was also a victim of such self deceit because the loses do come frequent where as the winning once a while so when the feeling of experiencing these win do it covers all the losses. Over time I come learn that these winning are actually a trap set for the gambler to forget their losses.

The real fact is that ten defeats will be able to be treated with just the sensation of one victory, that's the fact that actually happens, so if you look at the number of y = defeats and the number of wins they get in a certain period of time then I am sure that the number of defeats will be much greater than the victory, but strangely they are still fine and keep gambling as usual without considering anything with the facts that have happened that the number of defeats is much greater. Yes, indirectly with the enthusiasm and hope that you always carry in gambling, it will make you not realize that the actual number of defeats is much more than you imagine.

Yes that's right, that indeed the victory is nothing but a temptation for you to continue to engage in gambling, the casino will not let you go because your defeat is a victory for them, therefore the casino gives you an occasional victory from dozens of tries, nothing but the goal is to keep you involved in gambling and benefit them. Isn't my statement very logical?
538  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 11, 2023, 12:11:05 PM

I know Chelsea will play at home but Manchester City seems to know how to beat Chelsea, remembering Tottenham's defeat last week I'm sure City will be more careful in playing and will not underestimate Chelsea, my prediction is that Manchester City will win by two goals, 0 -2 for Manchester City win tomorrow.
The game will be tough one, the two teams really need the three points and is only one side will get it or the divide it, Chelsea are hosting Manchester City and they will not like defeat in their home, this time around Manchester City will not look down on Chelsea after what they had done in their previous matches against arsenal and especially Tottenham Hotspur even though we will call it a luck for Chelsea but it is still call winning. This match is very important for for both teams, Chelsea need the win because it their home and also to move up from the table and Manchester City really need it to maintain their first position in the table.

Honestly, although the difference in the performance of the two teams can be said to be quite far but I will not be too confident, because it is clear that in the Chelsea camp even though they are slumping but in the previous match against Tottenham they managed to achieve satisfying results and it was all unexpected, and also on the other hand Manchester City are more favored because their prestige is a very strong team that can always dominate the top of the standings, so in my opinion this is a match between a strong team and a weak team that has the opportunity to steal surprising results.

Yes for that it is clear, with the final result of Chelsea's surprising match yesterday indirectly this will make Manchester City to be more careful in the match, I am sure Guardiola will not consider his opponent weak because there is clearly enough fear to be a concern for him. The match will be held at Chelsea's home and with that there will obviously be a lot of expectations from their fans to produce a score like they achieved against Tottenham, but now it might be quite tough because the opponent is Manchester City, and obviously Manchester City will not let the match be easy for Chelsea because after all they also have to get full points to maintain their top position.
539  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What are some things you should always avoid while gambling ? on: November 11, 2023, 11:51:12 AM

It is never recommended because there is a possibility that we will experience loss, and once we experience loss, we can be triggered to try to recover from that loss. And the more eager we are to recover our losses, the bigger the losses will get and cost us all our money. If all the money is gone, we will not be able to pay the loan, and that means we have to give an explanation that may not be accepted by the person who lent us the money. They just want their money back while we don't have any more money. We should avoid gambling if we don't have money rather than get into trouble if we decide to borrow money from other people.
and borrowing money to gamble will only double your losses , yeah there is a chance to win and pay the debt
but what if you lose? you need to pay that capital and of course the interest in due time and will continue increase the long time you
delayed in payment .like what you said the more you wanted to win is the more you attract losing as this is how my cousin lose her
house and Lot just because of addiction , he kept borrowing using her house as collateral and ending  the bank took the house and
lot and now he is homeless and feel sorry for His stupidity.

That makes sense, I agree with your statement about doubling the budget for gambling, it is very correct to say that it will only increase the amount you lose. Why is that? obviously because in gambling there is no certainty whatsoever to produce something in accordance with our expectations, therefore the best thing to do in my opinion is to reduce as small as possible the amount of your budget so that in the final session you are not too disappointed. Especially if you choose to increase the budget by going into debt to other people, obviously I can't imagine how you feel when the final result loses, it will really make yourself depressed.

So from that we have to really think and consider everything with logical common sense, don't let you think about borrowing just for gambling, because of course it will only cause a lot of problems, getting into debt as a result of gambling is very bad, because obviously if you can't pay the debt you will be confused to find a way out and in my opinion it will only lead to an even more wrong mindset, I'm sure you will even go crazy in pursuit of defeat because you think of winning to return the money you have borrowed. On the other hand you have provided very clear evidence with the downturn of the person you told me about that he was willing to pledge his house to the bank.
540  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dangerous chasing losses on: November 11, 2023, 11:31:10 AM
That's right, I will also say the same thing as you said, there is absolutely no pleasure felt by the gambler when he chases defeat and what happens and what he feels on the contrary is that he chases defeat with full pressure in his mind, he always thinks how to make the defeat in the previous time can be replaced by victory and with that he must get a victory in the new gambling session. And also yes on the other hand honestly I would not say that they are responsible gamblers, because obviously with his behavior chasing defeat as you said it is enough to reflect that he cannot accept defeat in the previous time.

True, there was no logical thinking when he did and decided to chase defeat and certainly the decision came out of no consideration and was only based on emotions and lust. I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not, but I'm sure it's not, and I'm not sure if it's a good idea or not, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea or not, and I'm not sure if it's a good idea or not.
The mind of a gambler chasing losses is somewhat mad. This cycle is emotional rather than logical, with victory becoming an obsession. In this situation, the gambler wants redemption, a dangerous path where want over reason.

This obsession frequently covers a deeper issue - the unwillingness to accept defeat - which might be a sign of a greater struggle with acceptance and control in life. Gambling becomes a frantic attempt to validate and reverse fortunes.

The actual gambler's paradox is the perception of control in an uncontrollable circumstance, not gambling. The mental gymnastics of strategizing victory from a random event is fascinating. It causes issues: Can control be attained in a world governed by randomness? Or is this just a comforting illusion to justify continued indulgence? Thus, the gambler's dilemma is about control and the pursuit of victory, not just winning or losing.

Yes for normal people the thought is very absurd and out of what should be done, they are a bit crazy because they carry a mindset and beliefs that are clearly contrary to the facts that the actual concept of gambling. Basically it is very difficult for them to be able to get a win or even just to recover losses. That is why we must be responsible gamblers by always putting money that is ready to be lost so that there is no need or thought to chase losses.

If they put too much obsession and ambition on their gambling then obviously it will only worsen the situation, instead of getting a recovery from the money that has been lost but the opposite happens, the amount of loss is even greater. On the other hand, you should not think that chasing defeat is a struggle to achieve results that match your expectations, because in gambling there is absolutely no guarantee and still for the final result always depends on how lucky you are at that time.

It is very unreasonable if they put their hopes on something that always runs randomly for the results, self-control will always be at war with the temptations and opportunities that you are there, in my opinion that is what makes them end up in a dilemma and confused to choose which one, and because the temptation in gambling is very strong it makes them finally forget self-control and continue to pursue victory because of the temptation that seems tempting when it is nothing more than a trap.
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