Yes that's true but I think that applies only to those who have a healthy and normal mind in gambling, and come only for fun, and obviously if they come with the aim of just having fun then any temptation that comes might not affect it. Yes that's right, the odds of winning are obviously lower than the odds of losing are very high, and indeed they have set it up, I mean the casino has set it all up and their goal is none other than to seek profit from the defeat of the gamblers in the casino.

So actually if they are aware of the basic concept between wins and losses, they should be able to restrain themselves if they have experienced one defeat and no longer continue with the intention of returning losses in the previous time. But yes, maybe it will be in vain because indeed if they do not have poor control, such advice will not matter at all.

Yes and indeed it is a very true statement according to the facts that occur, right with what you say with the habits that always occur in the Dortmund management that makes them lose many opportunities to win the Bundesliga or the Champion League which will all come back again for Bayern Munich. Honestly, maybe this is no longer a strange thing, and everyone may already know the fate of some potential players in Dortmund in the end they will immediately move to interested clubs in exchange for fantastic money. Yes, this will clearly interfere with the performance of Dortmund itself, it is not difficult for them to be able to perform well but what is difficult is to get good results consistently every season is clearly very difficult with business habits like that.

Well it's true, I see now that Xabi Alonso's squad is dominating the Bundesliga by successfully maintaining a position at the top of the standings and the point is now equal to Bayern Munich where Tuchel's squad is below them. Obviously it looks like the season now is no longer Dortmund who will disturb Bayern Munich but Leverkusen, they look very strong in the first three matches of the season now by always being able to win full points at the end of the match, honestly this should be Tuchel's full attention, because Leverkusen can be a big threat if Bayern Munich continues to let them. So I hope Tuchel can further improve the performance of his club by continuing to win full points in the next match so that they can win the top position in the Bundesliga.

Well that's right, that's the first mindset that every gambler should have, prepare the money they can afford to lose or maybe don't mind whatever happens there, and also the second is to accept all the consequences at the end of the round, accept all the final answers gracefully, it should be like that but unfortunately their expectations are too high that makes them forget to go home and rest their minds that are already chaotic and that's the same thing you keep creating problems for your life through gambling.

Exactly, the truth is that whatever is in the scope of gambling is just nonsense such as bonus features, still you should not put too high expectations on anything that is there, because it is just luck and nothing more than that.

Well, it is true that this is the real case and fact, which is that more poor people gamble and have high hopes than rich people. As you said above, rich people come just for fun and maybe spend a little time but poor people are like the opposite, they come with the unreasonable intention of multiplying the money they bring even though the amount is small.

Yes, I understand that maybe the strongest reason for them to turn to gambling is because it is difficult to find a job or or find income to increase their finances, so it's only natural that they come with such a goal, but still I hope there will always be some people around him who tell him. Because if they keep doing that then maybe for some time to come they won't be able to eat.

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Well it could be, maybe the offer from the Saudi Arabian club now does not bring any results even with a fantastic new offer amount, but that failure is unlikely to make the Arabian club give up, it is not a reason not to come back again in the upcoming transfer market.

Don't be surprised if later when Al Ittihad returns it is very clear they will offer more than the current amount and obviously maybe it will be able to shake Klopp's decision a little, on the other hand yes I am also aware that M.Salah is a very important player there, he is like the heart of Liverpool but with a very fantastic amount of money maybe Klopp will not waste the opportunity, the article with this money he could get 2 players at once. It's true they need money to make various new updates in the squad and I think this could be the main reason for Klopp to sell him in the next few seasons when the offer comes again, but we will see.

It's not that they can't get a win but the win can come suddenly but because of greed it goes to waste and they simply can't take advantage of the opportunity to make a withdrawal and enjoy the winnings, they instead go back to playing again with a higher nominal bet because of greed and hope to get a bigger win, this will always be a barrier and also a big challenge for them. Even though they have won but still it does not mean a real victory because as I said above after that they will face the name of greed, and rarely they can get through it well, I mean rarely they are grateful for the victory even though the amount is quite large for some other people. Yes, what you said is true, it will go back to their original purpose of coming there, whether to seek victory or just for fun.

Obviously if their goal is to make a profit then I have to say that they need to be able to set a lot of self-control and also certain limits, stopping after winning and withdrawing is better than you get nothing, and also stopping when losing is also very important so that you don't suffer too much loss there. But I suggest that if you have a goal to win you better not gamble, because obviously the impact will be very bad, something that is based on passion and high expectations is not good, so it's better to gamble with a healthy mind and with the basic concept of gambling that should be, it's just for fun, nothing more.

Well that's very reasonable, even if no one told me about this statement I would still suspect it, I mean there must be something cheating in the slot machine, they (the bookie) always focus on their own interests and that means the profit is not for the player but for the house itself, and you are just tricked with various big expectations there when in fact it's just nonsense.


Well I say that because in my view it is very different although in essence it is still gambling which is not good to do at all. Well I understand what I said earlier does not mean that they gamblers can fully get a win by doing analysis, but I said it was just for a little chance for them to see some advantages of the club they chose compared to the opposing club, they can see the last few matches of the club they bet on, it will be able to produce an answer whether they will believe in that club or not at all. It's true though that the things you mentioned could happen because there's really no telling what will happen on the pitch, such as an unbalanced refereeing decision or an injury to a player that could create a significant void there. But again, I'm just saying they could have a bit of a say with the chance of analysis.


Yeah and it's a common concept that people have in looking at things, I think everyone shares this because I'm saying this honest statement that makes sense. As you mentioned above, impatience is always the main problem there and yes it will hinder victory in future financial trials. The point is that one must have common sense if they want to gamble.

It is true that Dortmund and Bayern Munich always go hand in hand, but Dortmund always cannot achieve something significant in the competition for the title so they always lag behind Bayern Munich. Yes, it seems that almost everyone already knows about the habits that Dortmund likes to do, they have the ability to shape a player to be extraordinary, but unfortunately their goal is not to improve the performance of the squad in every match but only focuses on selling players with the aim of making big profits, we can see how Haaland at Manchester City. Yes and it is absolutely true that there is absolutely no doubt for them to exchange their flagship players for fantastic amounts of money, so it is only natural that their performance is always inconsistent every season, but yes according to them maybe money is more important there and for the end of this season it is very likely that Bayern Munich will again become the Bundesliga champion.

Yes and I also don't believe at all that any of them or even one in a hundred people can always get consistent results there, obviously it's impossible because the basic concept of gambling is just for fun for those who have little money they can afford to lose. That's true and I would also say that it's entirely for betting like in a real slot machine that relies solely on luck. I think sports betting and slot machines are different, which in sports betting itself is not too bad in terms of luck because there we can slightly increase the chances of winning with some analysis of one of the clubs we bet on.

That's right it looks better, choosing to allocate your money to other alternatives such as investment is better because in terms of risk it is also the same and maybe even in investment you will not be too bad as in gambling. But the problem is that they want instant winnings that they can immediately feel while investing may take a longer time to get profits. Therefore, most of them choose gambling even with a very high level of risk.

Well that's true too, and it does make sense. Humans are fallible and their minds can also be very distracted by some things that come along that they find interesting, as is the case in this gambling. Well I consider it natural and I also understand how their conditions there. Well that's right, there is no failure, it might just be an obstacle that prevents them from stopping, but well it doesn't matter if they really have the full intention and seriousness to stop. For people who are serious about quitting I honestly believe that it is not a failure but a challenge whether they are able to do it harder or even retreat from the battlefield.

Yes as we discussed in the previous session, there are two ways that look better in this problem, whoever it is needs to add the thing we discussed here if they really want to quit and that is to add other activities (keep yourself busy) and reduce the budget level every time they want to bet. Keep in mind that all these actions will not be in vain, switch your mind to a more reasonable logic. I think if we think normally this won't be too difficult, but yes they kind of magnify the problem themselves.

In trading I think you can never make a real profit if you don't have any risk management in place, the profit may be there but the losses will definitely be higher than the winnings because there are no limits that you apply. As a trader, risk management seems to be a must-have thing, such as stop los and take profit, but I say not only that, because besides that you also need a strong mental and psychological, it is very important because it's useless if you have a good strategy but can't use it properly because your mental and psychological are always opposite for example.

So the point is that in trading anyone must have the right plan before they enter the market, remember the market is very volatile and you will be easily fooled there, so use a plan that you trust with some restrictions there as I said earlier, namely stop los and take profit and also train your mental and psychological because it will be very useful for making the right decisions. So by doing this at least you will be able to minimize some losses and also so that you avoid the name MC.

Almost all the friends in my neighborhood they are quite active gamblers but honestly I never bring or suggest them to gamble, they seem to know themselves about this gambling, and there is one of them who always tells me about the many losses he suffered, I can only give him a little advice because honestly I am also a gambler so we are difficult to find a very good solution because our minds are already a little influenced by gambling. The point is that as we are discussing, if my friends had known about gambling from me or at my offer then it is very likely that they would have come to me with the intention of blaming and not to ask for solutions as above. As you say, I've honestly never been interested nor have I ever had the courage to recommend gambling to others because obviously at some point they will always blame me.

Oh yeah to be honest last night one of my friends who doesn't know anything about gambling saw me gambling, and he said "please teach me, I want to try my luck", honestly after that I only said one word to him which was "Don't". I don't want my friend who started out fine to end up bad because of gambling, even though he said he would only try it once but I still wouldn't teach him because this would only add to his problems. Honestly, I am already at the regret stage in gambling, I don't want others to feel the same way.

Well although sometimes there are those who fail to resist the temptation, their mentality is not strong enough to withstand all the temptations that come to their minds so sometimes there are some of them who end up gambling again. But I still have to applaud them because at least they have done the best things for them even though they failed but they will definitely try again. Yes, it is true that if you are serious about quitting then the first thing is to increase your daily activities, occupy your time with more positive activities, do not let you have the slightest empty time there because obviously the feeling of wanting to gamble will definitely come, and also besides that reducing the budget is a good choice, you will not experience too much loss if you can reduce the budget in gambling. And also for the case of my friend now I am trying to help him, doing various ways so that his mind can recover and understand the true concept of gambling.

Yes, that's right, so the point is to reduce the budget for gambling and try to increase daily activities so that we will indirectly forget about gambling, as we know this feeling of gambling always comes when we have full time and expect to win even though it's just nonsense. Yes that's right, basically there is nothing better than to stop doing it, the future is more important.

Well that's right, if indeed the last offer from Al Ittihad is approved by Liverpool considering the amount is very fantastic then clearly M. Salah will become the most expensive player in the history of Saudi Arabia, and this amount will beat the transfer fee of Neymar who has gone there first. Yes, with this fantastic amount, only a small part of several European clubs can then reject the offer, but I think it looks like Klopp will take the same action as the previous one where he rejected the first offer from Al Ittihad.

Previously as we know M. Salah is an important player for Liverpool with various significant contributions that he has made to his squad. Yes, it is true that if Klopp accepts this offer then it makes sense they will be able to bring in two players at once to replace him, but in my opinion Klopp will not be rash in his decision in this case, previously he had also rejected the first offer from the fantastic Al Ittihad and the reason is clear that the manager is more concerned with his club than money. So for the answer to this new offer, I think it's possible that Klopp will reject it again. But let's just see later.

Yes, that's right, it's not included in the principle of gambling at all, it's just the actions of someone who is too imposing his desires based on high self-confidence. I think the principle of gambling is nothing more than luck and fun, if you follow the advice then you will get fun from a few rounds there and fun is not entirely about winning. If you are lucky then you will win and vice versa. Well it is true that if they are gambling with borrowed money then it can be said that they are irresponsible gamblers, they cannot afford to deposit with their own money so they look for other ways such as borrowing.

Yes and it seems right to say that people who have responsibility in gambling are those who are ready for all the risks involved in it, especially defeat, but they will not force something just to gamble because they have previously understood how the risk is if they are too forceful something that only depends on luck. The point is that people who have responsibility in gambling are those who already understand everything that is there, as you say fun is the main thing for them, if they get a win then obviously they will be happier and if they lose they look normal. Jari let's think healthier when we want to gamble.

That's right and it's important that we have self-control there, it will be very useful and it's the only cure so that we don't get too down there. Yes I agree with you and it's a good option to choose rather than continue to spend a lot of time gambling it's better to find other activities that are more useful and it's a good alternative for most gamblers who may want to quit but don't know how. I think economic factors can also make them finally come to gamble, I have a colleague who can be said to be lower middle class and he said that his goal was to gamble to increase his pocket money, and I think this is an absurd statement, remember this is just about luck. Basically, winning has made them lose their mind, someone who has won one win then it is very likely that the next time they will sacrifice ten losses due to the belief that they will win again.

Yes they can reduce the rate of loss by reducing the amount of money they deposit. Basically I think there is no better option except to stop gambling with a very strong determination, because it is useless it will only make them not okay in the future.

Well that's quite true, but strangely most people assume or generalize that every gambler is always in the same position, whether they are addicted or even those who gamble well by successfully applying a limit that they have prepared, as you say here.

That's right, the real answer is that not all gamblers are addicted, there are some of them who can always stop when they start to enter a bad condition, for example like losing, what even impressed me was that one of my acquaintances (a gambler) told me and said that always use self-control and limits when you are gambling, it is better to prevent something that is not desired does not always come. He said that and it's very good when fellow gamblers advise each other on something better for each other, it's hard to stop but with this you can at least minimize your losses a little. Well, it's best to keep your gambling habits a secret, even if you behave as a responsible gambler but still, in the eyes of other people, that's something bad.

Yes, I agree with you, the various advice that comes to them (gamblers) will most likely not have any effect and if it does happen it is very unlikely, as you said they do it with enthusiasm for things they find fun and yes that's how it is exists. it's too much for them, but I agree that if their passion disappears or they get bored of doing it then their interest will also disappear, and maybe they will stop themselves. My example, usually a few months ago to be honest I gambled almost every day even every hour, I was very happy to be there and I couldn't afford to spend a single day not gambling, even though in the end losing dominated. But what is surprising is that now somehow the feeling of wanting to gamble has slowly disappeared within me, in fact I very rarely imagine my winnings at that time, to be honest, boredom appears in my mind to come back again. playing there, and at the moment I have almost never gambled for the last two months, this is really lucky in my opinion because indirectly I can finally stop a little slowly and hopefully this continues.

Yes, that is a good alternative and we can choose if someone's level of addiction is out of control, requires special treatment for the problem, and by undergoing rehabilitation it is very possible to recover a little because the rules are clear. there is very strict and there is no access whatsoever for them to do gambling or anything like alcoholic beverages.

Well it could be, because they are self aware that their finances are bad so they probably have absolutely no intention of touching gambling, that makes a little sense. But we must know that it is not uncommon and perhaps now the number has increased that some of those who do not have good finances are starting to come to gambling with the very strong intention of multiplying the money they bring in, even though the amount is small. They know that there is nothing impossible about winning in gambling, small or big someone can win there if they are lucky. And this is the main reason for them, hoping they will be in the same boat as other people who get big wins, but as for the results, maybe you also know, there are winners there but there will be more losers. So I think the answer is, the rich will potentially be poor and the poor will get poorer, there isn't anything better at gambling.

Yes, maybe what you mean is, most gamblers who don't have good finances in their lives will not force their passions to gamble because they think more about their lives than losing the money they have to gamble, I quite agree with this statement. Obviously it's true that anyone who overly indulges in gambling over a long period of time is very likely to get into a serious slump. put too much hope there. Yes that's quite right, I would say that regret will always come in the end. For rich people themselves, I think the reason why they always gamble is because they have good finances and they can freely gamble according to their wishes even though in the end they will suffer the same fate as other gamblers, especially those who are addicted.
So I think the conclusion of this problem is, it would be better if you thought about quitting now, it's never too late for something better, start slowly and forget all about gambling.