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381  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do not gamble with Loan Money~otherwise you will be in danger like me on: January 10, 2024, 11:52:43 PM
Well I will always see lending money as something that is not viable, therefore to assume having a good loan to be able to play is something that I consider a little irresponsible to play, there is nothing better than doing it with our own money, that is what The best thing that can be done, I personally would never do something like that, for me lending money has to be something strictly necessary and for an emergency, something like a medical issue, an operation like that, because it is something different, something that is really worth it. It's worth doing it, but I think that to play or do something in a casino I don't see it as correct, I really don't know how to explain it, but I start from the fact that when you want to lend money you have to look for something that is actually worth it, no. For whatever reason, that's just what I think, maybe my training since I was a child was always based on good customs, because money always has to be well managed, but to give yourself pleasure and lend money is not good.

Borrowing to gamble doesn't worth, the stress that walks with borrowing money isn't safe for gambling. Being in debt upsets the brain, especially for a person who doesn't know how to clear his debts. Those who have the money and borrows, may not be bothered like a person that doesn't have such money. The gambler that borrows to gamble in most occurrences ends up losing out all the money. It's preferable to borrow money when handling a project, not just relying on the loan alone, the person needs a back up. If things doesn't sit right, he'd used the backed up money to balance the debt. Op was only carried away by the fantasies of winning big. How he'd spend the money and still have some left for paying back his debt. Gambling with our money is better and rests the mind of the gambler to take the right predictions. Instead of being in a hurry in predicting games.

borrowing money just to gamble is not a really good idea, it's not worth it. You just take a rock and hit your head like that. Does anyone want to be in debt? Of course, no one wants to be in debt and reach the point where they can't pay, so I don't like those who borrow money just to gamble because they know it's too risky.

True, and it will actually make the possibility of risk even greater, plus on the other hand the actual fact is that the percentage of wins is much smaller than losses, and with that I think it's really not recommended if you borrow money just to gamble, don't go too far because after all gambling is nothing more than a game of chance, if there is certainty and guarantee to win then it's natural for you to do something like that but if the fact is that everything is still gray then I think it's really a very silly approach to gambling, On the other hand it is not uncommon to see addicted gamblers who end up with a lot of downturns, not only losing most of their assets but they also hold a lot of debt and what happens is the possibility of depression or even going crazy because they are unable to withstand all the pressure due to the situation, so the point is I hope you can fix the wrong mindset and perspective on gambling before it's too late and regret it.
382  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: January 10, 2024, 11:33:16 PM
In the event that you've got a lot of time on your hands, you're going to want to make sure that you've got a good understanding of what you're doing and how you're doing it. The risk that is worried is not only experiencing defeat from the gambling you do but also clearly there is a possibility that you will experience problems at your place of work because your boss knows the gambling activities you do in the middle of working hours and of course the possibility that you will be fired cannot be denied, well your advice is good anyway there is still plenty of time to gamble, so I think there is no reason whatsoever for them to do gambling at work, basically it is better to prevent than to cure.
We have to think about the risks of gambling at work, especially when it concerns the income we receive every week or month. We have to think about how we can work well while we use our work time to gamble because, after all, it will affect our emotions and us when we continue our work. We don't want to experience problems such as being fired by our superiors because we have used our work time to gamble, which is unethical. Moreover, we get income from work so we should be able to see where we are and what we are doing so that we don't risk being fired.

That's right, because it's the only income to make ends meet and if it's just a careless act because you gamble in the wrong place and time that you lose your job I think it's a really careless or even stupid act, plus now I think it's not easy to get a job that can really make us comfortable with a sufficient salary, On the other hand yes it is true that the possibility that will happen is that you will be emotional when the final result is really wrong, I can already conclude that you will be emotional because it can be seen from the way you are excessive in the approach of gambling to gambling at work, usually such people are those who are addicted or who always expect victory in every gambling and that situation will really be able to affect our main work, become unfocused and lose enthusiasm. On the other hand I understand that the chances of winning do exist but will not be as often as you want. So of course a rational and wise mindset should really be emphasized, knowing the situation and limiting involvement will always be one of the good precautions.
383  Local / Topik Lainnya / Re: Bagaimana pendapat anda tentang streamer ini? on: January 10, 2024, 10:50:42 PM
Pengetahuan tentang akumulasi bitcoin bisa datang dari mana saja, dan salah satunya seperti yang di perlihatkan di atas, disisi lain sekilas menurut saya mungkin sudah tidak jarang kita melihat para stremer yang melakukan streming sambil membuka donate untuk kebutuhan amal dalam rangka membantu orang2 yang kurang mampu di luar sana atau hal lainnya yang penting dan cukup mendesak tetapi jujur ane baru melihat ada stremer game yang yang melakukan streming game dengan menjelaskan bahwa uang yang di dapat dari saweran itu untuk akumulasi bitcoin, kehilatannya agak aneh. Tetapi disisi lain kalau memang stremer itu sembari memberikan adukasi yang cukup bagus  dan benar tentang dunia investasi maka mungkin ini bisa di bilang jalan pembuka bagi orang awam untuk menambah wawasan dan masuk ke dunia investasi ya walaupun kita tidak tahu sepenuhnya apakah mereka bisa melakukan pendekatan dengan benar atau tidak pada akumulasi investasinya, tentunya itu di luar kendali kita dan mungkin orang - orang akan mempelajarinya dari referensi lain yang cukup mereka percaya.
384  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: January 10, 2024, 02:19:27 PM

Well, if you want to go down memory lane in regards to BTC spot prices, it seems equally valid to me to go down the road of the 200-week moving average. This is what the 200-week moving average looks like, every two years.**

In late 2015 it was:  $252

In late 2017 it was:  $1,049

In late 2019 it was:  $4,908

In late 2021 it was:  $17,839

In late 2023 it was:  $29,049

**Note: you can see more years for 200-week moving average on a every six month's basis here.

Even though you can also compare spot price to the 200-week moving average (and most times spot price is above the 200-week moving average, except most recently between about mid 2022 until October 2023, we spent a lot of time below the 200-week moving average), I personally believe the 200-week moving average is a much better way to evaluate the value of your bitcoins.
Are you serious. I just confirmed and it is absolutely through JJG. Does it mean Bitcoin follows a certain pattern at some intervals? And if we are to jump into buying or selling whenever we come across these patterns, is it the right to do?
I think these patterns are caused by traders activities in the market. If Bitcoin has a particular patterns it follows at a certain intervals or time, then Bitcoin price can be predicted correctly. The traders are the ones who are acting similarly that's why the patterns are looking so similar, since it is the market activities that determine the price movement. The patterns are just there to aid you in knowing what happened in the past, and act as a guide when making decisions. The decision to buy or sell whenever you come across these patterns is yours alone to make, as past events doesn't really guarantee same occurance because from the time of the last one many things/events might have played out, which may alter somethings from happening or repeating itself exactly same way it happened last time.

Yes I quite agree with your idea, however and whatever happens to Bitcoin it all depends on what most of the traders involved there do, on the other hand yes it is obvious that if indeed Bitcoin has a certain pattern then I think this is not trading because most likely the price movement will be predictable and there will only be profit in that situation while on the other hand trading is always about profit opportunities and risk of loss. So we can't make the pattern as the main point to follow because after all it is the history of the price movement that has happened in the past and because something happened exactly as you said.

But on the other hand I would not say that history is not useful at all because obviously it is something that we can combine with the knowledge we have along with what is now happening that has an influence on the price movement of bitcoin. On the other hand, I also always use that method, or that means I always look first at the last price movement before I finally open a trade, making it a benchmark to consider what decisions I will take at a certain time, even if for example in the end my prediction misses but it doesn't matter because there will always be wisdom and something that can be learned to be more developed.
385  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: January 10, 2024, 01:33:09 PM
There are actually many ways to reduce our addiction to gambling. it can be meditation, listening to advice from family or close relatives who have warned you about the dangers of gambling, and lastly try to count your wins and losses from gambling.
If you do all that, you can definitely reduce your addiction to gambling, or even stop you. rather than hiring a therapist whose fees are also not cheap.

Yes, there are actually quite a lot of ways that can be done to reduce gambling addiction, in any way that they think is quite reasonable and maybe one of them with what you mentioned is meditation or listening to and considering some advice that comes from our closest people such as family members and also maybe by doing calculations about how much they have lost and how much they have won, Not only that and maybe I will also slightly suggest that try to add many other activities such as for example hanging out with family, playing with friends or even some other kind of work that can provide you with income, I'm pretty sure it will be useful to unravel your curiosity and desire to gamble because most likely your mind will be distracted from gambling.

The fact is that all methods will be able to have a good impact in terms of prevention if they really want to reduce their gambling activities for the sake of financial balance, because on the other hand it is useless if they want to reduce it but there is no sincerity to do it then maybe it will be in vain. Actually all of that can be overcome or reduced if you really want to do it and there is no need to hire a therapist or other experts because I think it also costs money which may not even be small.
386  Economy / Economics / Re: Would you rather start/grow a business from scratch or buy an existing business? on: January 09, 2024, 02:08:17 PM
If you are a businessman and you are looking to buy a new business or involve yourself in a new business then you must choose the type of business that you already have an idea about. A business you have no idea about but you won't like or a business you won't buy. We who are traders and those who want to buy from one business to another but try to get enough knowledge about the new business before buying. That's why it is important to get an idea about the new business because if we don't have an idea about the business we can face a big financial loss in that business. It's not really up to you or me, but the trader thinking of starting a new business will decide for himself which new business he should buy.

There is a point, because before building a business or buying a business, we must realize about what business we really understand, whether it is in the field of selling or services and the important thing is not to let us choose a business that we do not understand at all, as you said that it is better for us to choose the type of business that at least we have had experience in the profession before because with that it will clearly make it easier for us to run it.

But on the other hand I think your advice will only be useful for those who are already experienced in the business world, while on the other hand it is not uncommon for people who have absolutely no experience whatsoever who want to start a business in the sense that they will start everything from scratch without any understanding, and maybe for those who have absolutely no experience inevitably they have to struggle from the beginning and go through all the processes with mistakes and failures that are very likely to occur, about that I think it really depends on them, if for example they have a very strong determination in running their business then I think they have a pretty good chance of success but if for example they are one of those people who do not have a strong mentality then maybe they will be one of those people who fail halfway, which is why it is very important to have a very thorough preparation in any case at the beginning of the involvement especially for those who just want to start.
387  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: January 09, 2024, 01:45:18 PM
When I'm gambling, whether on our platform or others, I get this exciting feeling. It's hard to put into words, but there's this thrill that makes me want to explore and understand the platform better, eager to find out what it has to offer. Plus, there's this strong desire to win and earn more. It's like this eagerness that keeps you hooked and curious.
Yes, there are indeed different sensations that we feel when gambling and there is a strong desire to continue gambling. But we must understand that when working, we don't need to take risks by continuing to gamble. We have to know where we are and what we are doing so that we will not have problems with our work. We also definitely don't want to be fired from our jobs if we are caught gambling because it violates the regulations of the company where we work. There is still a lot of time to gamble and we should gamble at home or other places and not at work because that is where we work and make money. We must understand these conditions and not be careless in gambling anywhere.

In the event that you've got a lot of time on your hands, you're going to want to make sure that you've got a good understanding of what you're doing and how you're doing it. The risk that is worried is not only experiencing defeat from the gambling you do but also clearly there is a possibility that you will experience problems at your place of work because your boss knows the gambling activities you do in the middle of working hours and of course the possibility that you will be fired cannot be denied, well your advice is good anyway there is still plenty of time to gamble, so I think there is no reason whatsoever for them to do gambling at work, basically it is better to prevent than to cure.
388  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: January 09, 2024, 01:14:02 PM

For me playing in the demo version is quite fun for the beginning of the game but the fun only lasts a few minutes and after that it's boring, on the other hand of course as I said before friends that there are no real wins and real losses in free mode, all that is just a picture that we can see and without us feeling the results if we win so that's what makes most gamblers not put any interest there, some may switch and play in free mode when they run out of money but most people prefer to find money or loans to return to playing in real mode. Agree with you that most gamblers may make gambling as a place of income even though the reality is far from what they always think and expect, the fact is that it is very difficult to get a winning streak there, simply put you will experience 1 win at the expense of 3 - 5 defeats, that's a fact.

I think Demo accounts are fine to learn the games and see how the casino works, but it's not a substitute for gambling. There might be a few people that look at a demo account as if it was real money and will gamble carefully, the majority of users however will just bet all their money very quickly to achieve the highest possible return. Which is also why this is not a good alternative for someone struggling with gambling addiction. You forget to look at your risk, because you can just top of your balance again once you go broke.

Yes that's right, demo accounts are provided by casinos only for those who want to learn some games that they don't understand, adapt to new games until they really can and after that switch to real accounts, I think this demo mode is only intended to learn new games because it is not uncommon for us to see some gamblers who complain when they try new games on real accounts and end up making mistakes because of their lack of understanding of how to play the new game so casinos make demo accounts to be used as a learning place for those of you who want to learn some new games there.

And for the problem of overcoming gambling addiction, obviously what you said makes sense that a demo account is not a place to overcome gambling addiction, I understand that you can play there without having the risk of losing real money but we must understand that it is not uncommon for someone who after playing on a demo account then they switch to a real account because they see a very good game spin on a demo account so they feel tempted to try it on a real account when in fact the results will clearly not be the same. So if you really want to quit gambling then obviously don't touch anything that could potentially influence you to go back and get involved in gambling.
389  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: January 08, 2024, 12:36:45 PM
It happened in our country in Bangladesh the illiterate people of slum they are not properly aware with gambling they don't know management they just play and earn. That is risky for that reason they lost huge more then they earn. That's the reason they suffer in their family. Gambling madness goes extreme become when they are in loss they are fully crazy to recover it and that type of madness are fully seen in the slum areas of our country.

In my country, I am also often found like this, especially in the slums that have a dense young population. In a country that has a high level of poverty, education about gambling is really almost not in distribution, this is the reason that causes many people who live in slums, it becomes addicted to gambling.
The effect is not only that, in slums there will usually be also drug trafficking - prostitution - robbery, things like this are accustomed to being seen in slums, only a few have survived negatively things like things, and for chronic gambling addicts, they must have a broken family and that for sure.
Knowledge about gambling, as for me, is spread very poorly in society everywhere. There are many myths and misconceptions around this knowledge. In general, this topic is largely taboo. After all, they don’t talk about this, for example, at school. What if gambling was discussed in school in a negative way? I think this would only make students more interested. After all, as you know, the forbidden fruit is sweet. Students would decide to try and test in practice the theories that adults tell them about. It's a bit like sex education. There are a lot of delicate boundaries here.

Yes that's right, in general and overall gambling activities do have a negative point of view in the eyes of society, none other than because this is an activity that bets money where how it works is only dependent on luck, so there will only be two answers, namely winning and losing while on the other hand the casino will not be defeated which means the number of losers is more than the winners and it causes someone involved to eventually experience financial problems to get into debt along with other problems such as depression which certainly makes a negative public perspective on gambling knowing this bad impact.

Although the view of gambling is very bad in the eyes of society but it may not be that simple to enter and get involved, it requires a scenario where there is an indication or something that seems to invite someone to get involved and bet, as you said in a school environment, it makes sense when you say that the theory of gambling in schools will only make students curious and then interested in trying something that is explained negatively by one of the teachers, ignorance of what gambling is along with curiosity combines and combines into one goal which is to try and get involved.
390  Economy / Economics / Re: 4 COMMON MISTAKES PEOPLE MADE WITH THEIR FINANCES LAST YEAR THAT SHOULD BE AVOID on: January 08, 2024, 12:07:06 PM
The mistake we all fall into is not knowing the amount of spending we need, or our spending is always equal to or greater than what we collect, so that the amount remaining for investment is very small and decreases over time. Unless you have discipline in expenses, you must start doing so because any additional investment will not make you rich.
I agree with you on all points. Without sufficient funds to cover your expenses, knowing where your expenses are and directing any surplus amount to investment and diversifying investments, you will not achieve any financial successes.
If you don’t live within your means, you will always have financial struggles every now and then. Hence, budgeting is a wise move so you can track your expenses and determine how much you are supposed to spend. If you follow strictly what’s in your budget, then you will not be tempted to overspend and buy unnecessary things that will only waste your money and even your time.

Everything will be possible as long as there is discipline. You have your goals so you should stick to it and never create another goals. Take one step at a time, you will end up having good amount of finances if you target your goal and work on it.

True, but unfortunately I see most people today are more concerned with lifestyle than simplicity that can make them feel comfortable in life by only buying something that is needed and there is no budget allocation for something that is not useful or just for style. It is very clear that in any case management will always be the main and most important thing for a balance especially when it comes to finances.

On the other hand, in my opinion, the problem is that people today are always fooled by the name of needs and wants, almost always confused because of the difficulty of distinguishing, such as buying something that they think is a necessity of life when it is nothing more than a desire and does not have any benefits in the long run, one of the reasons is that environmental factors are quite influential, such as maybe if they have an environment that always lives glamorously such as joining some rich people but they themselves are at an intermediate level in financial terms then obviously budget allocations that are actually not needed or not really needed can occur, such as maybe buying an Iphone just to keep up with the style of their friends who basically they can't afford to spend money on it, as a result it can really disrupt their finances and lose balance for the real needs of life.
391  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: January 08, 2024, 11:47:22 AM

Yapp... it's true that gambling outcomes can affect someone's work as employee. Many people experience it, even if you don't gamble at the workplace (e.g betting on other place far from workplace), your gambling emotions can still carry over. There are two possibilities, good emotions and bad emotions. I'm okay with the good ones.... it means they won the gamble. But if your bad emotions are out of control and you cause chaos at the office, that's detrimental.

It also depends on the work environment. Sometimes, gambling outcomes can be an interesting topic to discuss at work, LOL... whether for laughs or motivation. For those working without direct supervision, this atmosphere can actually be beneficial for increased productivity. Employees feel more at ease in their work.

It all depends on the work environment, as each job has its own unique atmosphere.

It is clear that a person who plays at work will not be a good specialist. He will always think about winning the game, and he will absolutely not care about the results of his full-time work. Such an employee may accidentally harm himself or others with his inattention, if his work is at least a little related to the safety of people. For example, the other day I saw a bus driver who was watching the match because he bet on one of the teams. And of course his concentration on driving was not high.

Obviously and thoughts that are always focused on winning make them indirectly lose their enthusiasm for work or even careless to make many mistakes which of course can harm the company where they work which finally after that problem after problem arises whether it is from mental and psychological disorders due to defeat along with financial problems and the worst is that there is the possibility or potential to lose the main job if at that time his boss finds out about his bad activities involved in gambling at work.

Well yes that's right, if his job as you say is that he is a driver who of course must always focus on driving a vehicle but at the same time he also participates in betting which requires him to divide his focus on two things between driving and watching the match he is betting on then obviously I can't imagine how tense the situation is, especially if he is driving alone without any other employees accompanying him then obviously there are two risks that have the possibility to occur, first if he is unlucky then maybe he will lose his bet money and secondly what is feared is losing control of the vehicle he then which of course can end in an accident.
392  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: January 08, 2024, 11:27:00 AM

One of the things that makes it less fun when we gamble in free mode is that there is no thrill of winning like when we do it on a real account and that is one of the reasons why people are not very interested in free mode when all the games are exactly the same. We can't lie to ourselves that winning is the result we always want even though our main focus is only for fun for example, but I'm sure behind the fun there must be a little purpose in winning, or the situation can be reversed where people prioritize winning over fun, in the sense that it doesn't matter to withstand the various pressures of bad spins that occur as long as the end result is what they want, but when the time comes they are again slapped by the fact that defeat still dominates because luck is not there. Hope and strong belief make them do whatever it takes to chase the uncertain results, this is the idea of making money that is contrary to what happens at the end of the session and also that will never end unless they stop.
There's no fun on free or demo mode which we know that there's no way that you can lose and there's no way that you could really be able to win up money and this is why people would really be not interested and this is why its not really that shocking that people would really be that sticking into those games on which it does really give out that kind of opportunity or chance
for them to make money and this is why they would really be dealing into those games which does have that real balances. Its true that there's no fun when it comes on dealing
up with something that you cant win or something that doesnt give any value. Yes, its fun on some point but it would just simply vanish on some few rolls.

For me playing in the demo version is quite fun for the beginning of the game but the fun only lasts a few minutes and after that it's boring, on the other hand of course as I said before friends that there are no real wins and real losses in free mode, all that is just a picture that we can see and without us feeling the results if we win so that's what makes most gamblers not put any interest there, some may switch and play in free mode when they run out of money but most people prefer to find money or loans to return to playing in real mode. Agree with you that most gamblers may make gambling as a place of income even though the reality is far from what they always think and expect, the fact is that it is very difficult to get a winning streak there, simply put you will experience 1 win at the expense of 3 - 5 defeats, that's a fact.
393  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is there any fun in losing while gambling on: January 07, 2024, 08:59:35 PM
I think it's clear that there is absolutely no pleasure when we experience defeat in the gambling session that we do, even if for example our goal is only for pleasure but honestly for myself sometimes I like to be a little upset when the session I do runs so short because luck is really far from me, as I said even though I don't really pursue victory but still when the session runs so fast then it will make me no longer able to feel pleasure, on the other hand simply maybe when we win then obviously we will be happy and joyful and when we lose I think it also depends on your responsibility, if indeed you put a large amount then obviously you will feel upset in the sense that you cannot be responsible for losing, or it could be like what I feel when the session goes very fast because of losing then usually I will feel a little upset because I cannot get pleasure in the next few rounds.
394  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: January 07, 2024, 08:13:36 PM
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Yes I agree with your idea that gambling is more than just a fun game, there is something they are after and maybe we can already conclude here that they are after a return on the money they put in, or I mean wanting a bigger amount than the capital money they brought. On the other hand, if they're just there for the fun of it then aren't there plenty of other things they can do without the possibility of risk such as playing online games for example? Obviously, and gambling is someone's choice to pursue something that is basically not easy to achieve.

As you said that if fun is the main priority then I think people will prefer to gamble on a demo account which certainly does not require real money capital and only requires free time, so your assumption is quite reasonable in my opinion and it can be a strong reason why people come to gamble.

Yeah, there is a small amount of fun that people get when playing the free games, but that's quickly gone and the interest of actually making real money starts.

At the end of the day it is the idea of making money that is the addictive ingredient, the games, lights, sounds, etc, are all there to help, but they are not the main thing.

One of the things that makes it less fun when we gamble in free mode is that there is no thrill of winning like when we do it on a real account and that is one of the reasons why people are not very interested in free mode when all the games are exactly the same. We can't lie to ourselves that winning is the result we always want even though our main focus is only for fun for example, but I'm sure behind the fun there must be a little purpose in winning, or the situation can be reversed where people prioritize winning over fun, in the sense that it doesn't matter to withstand the various pressures of bad spins that occur as long as the end result is what they want, but when the time comes they are again slapped by the fact that defeat still dominates because luck is not there. Hope and strong belief make them do whatever it takes to chase the uncertain results, this is the idea of making money that is contrary to what happens at the end of the session and also that will never end unless they stop.
395  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: January 06, 2024, 06:05:43 PM

If you talk about Chelsea is really hard to say if they'd win or not and same goes to Fulham but the main focus should be on Chelsea because they're the bigger boys but these days is like they should be classified as smaller team base on performance.
This season is very hard for the Blues to even get a draw talkless of a win, I'd say Fulham are going to do anything possible to get a win that's if Pochettino decide to do some wrong selection.
It is true that currently Chelsea is difficult to predict because their performance is very unstable, especially when playing away from home. However, when Chelsea is the host, Chelsea wins and draws more, which I don't think Chelsea will let Fulham win at Stamford Bridge.
And head to head both Chelsea teams are superior to Fulham and Chelsea won three wins, one draw and also one defeat against Fulham. And I think Pochettino will plan and give his best in front of his supporters and will field his best squad to win this match, even though every Chelsea match is always in doubt, but for this match I think they can win it.

True, it is quite difficult to predict the outcome of this match because as you said and maybe most of us already know that now Chelsea is in an unstable performance, sometimes winning against stronger teams and sometimes losing when faced with medium or far below them, there is no stagnant situation in their performance now so obviously that makes it quite difficult for us to be able to speculate on the final result of who will win in this match. On the other hand, recently we saw that Fulham won three full points in the match against Arsenal with a score of 2 - 1, if we look at a glance, of course Arsenal are a team that can always compete at the top of the standings with Manchester City, but on the other hand I don't really believe that Fulham are in very good form because the fact is that the victory is because Arsenal are also now in a problem of depth of performance so that before that they also lost to West Ham.

I'm pretty sure that in this match Chelsea have a better chance, they will play at home and we can see in the previous few matches they managed to hold a draw with a team like Manchester City when playing at home and that's exactly what you said. So maybe I will be in the Chelsea camp again this time, but let's just see the results later.
396  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who should quit, and why? on: January 06, 2024, 05:45:10 PM

I think the wife should quit because gambling is not the nature of women. People always sees a woman that gambles as someone who is not a good woman or a wayward woman. Though it might be wrong and also wright at some point. Women are sopos to be an adviser of the male counterparts in any thing be it drinking, smoking, womanizing, drug and many addiction including gambling addiction. So if the woman fails to encourage the man when he is going astray, the woman has lost her value as mother. The meaning of woman is the helper of man and if the woman chose not to play a good role then is left for her.

I have seen many family where almost every body is a gambler. and I can tell you that non today have nothing good to write home about. Sometimes I see that the cause of such thing is the father/man of the house. I think if the man did not introduce gambling in the first place to his family I don't think all will become gamblers.
at the end of the day, it is better if both of them quit gambling, they have a kid that they need to focus on, and gambling is not as important as children, so why risk one of them getting addicted and potentially ruining their financial stability? 

What makes more sense and what is better to do is to choose to agree with your partner to quit simultaneously because that is more fair than choosing one of them, after all, why choose one to quit if quitting simultaneously can still be done and made an option? I don't think there is any reason to argue with this idea and suggestion.

None other than because the balance of family finances is a more important thing to pay attention to and maintain, moreover there are many responsibilities that must be prioritized as you said, a child really must be prioritized and paid attention to, not only that because there are still quite a lot of other needs that must be fulfilled such as electricity bills, water, monthly shopping, children's needs and school fees, and by both quitting gambling then obviously the financial balance will be better maintained. I understand it's not easy but there will always be a way if we want to try and have sincerity in our intentions.
397  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: January 06, 2024, 05:25:25 PM
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However, many people lose a lot of money from playing slots because they forget to stop gambling and cannot control themselves because they have discovered the joy of playing slots. But slot games offer a demo mode that gamblers can use to play slots so that they don't have to use real money, especially if they are afraid of losing a lot of money playing those slots. Indeed, when using demo mode, we can quickly feel bored because there is no challenge, especially since it is fake money used or provided by casinos for those who want to experience the sensation of gambling. But playing demo mode can prevent someone from using real money so they won't lose money.

Demo mode slot games can still provide enjoyment in playing slots. At least people can enjoy their free time by playing slots, and even though they place large bets in demo mode, they can still feel safe because no real money is used. But those who have experienced the challenge of using real money do not feel the challenge and will only think that demo mode-based slot games are uncomfortable to play slots with.

It's more than just the fun of the game.

Otherwise people would simply just play the free version of it.

It's all about the chances of becoming a rich person with a few coins.

Yes I agree with your idea that gambling is more than just a fun game, there is something they are after and maybe we can already conclude here that they are after a return on the money they put in, or I mean wanting a bigger amount than the capital money they brought. On the other hand, if they're just there for the fun of it then aren't there plenty of other things they can do without the possibility of risk such as playing online games for example? Obviously, and gambling is someone's choice to pursue something that is basically not easy to achieve.

As you said that if fun is the main priority then I think people will prefer to gamble on a demo account which certainly does not require real money capital and only requires free time, so your assumption is quite reasonable in my opinion and it can be a strong reason why people come to gamble.
398  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do not gamble with Loan Money~otherwise you will be in danger like me on: January 05, 2024, 01:59:25 PM
The gambler can easily get loan from the sharks,but the friends may have the money or not.Because the gambler friend may also lag of money like him,for this reason the gamblers can seal loan from the biggest person in his society.If your friend also from the gambling circle,you can easily get the loan from them at the time of winning.The gambler friend also know our struggle after the loses,mainly need to manage the monthly expenses if they loss the money.Your friend also like the same situation after the loss from the gambling.
Yes, that's true, but that will give him bigger problems because the loan sharks will only let them go if they have paid back the borrowed money. Loan sharks will keep chasing people so they can pay their debts. That is why people should not borrow from loan sharks and should not borrow money as much as possible. Borrowing from friends in gambling circles is also not recommended because they might also apply interest to the loan money so, which can make it difficult for us when we want to pay off the debt.

The important thing is that you don't take too big a risk in gambling and, as much as possible, don't borrow money from anyone. Gambling with your own money is best for anyone who wants to gamble so they are not obligated to pay their debts. They only need to allocate a certain amount of money for gambling and always stay within the limits.
I've seen debt escalate out of control. Loan sharks are merciless and unethical. The more you owe, the harder it is to escape. Gambling should be fun, not a money-making technique. A frenzied drive to make quick money, especially with borrowed cash, replaces the essence with a risky game of risk and debt

Gambling can be addictive, however. The pleasure of winning and the chase of losing can muddle judgment. I recommend gambling for fun, not financial gain. Personal discretionary money within a limit are crucial. The issue is control. You're in charge when you play with money you can lose. Trouble begins when you cross this line into borrowed funds. Remember, the house always wins. Our best bet? Gamble wisely within our means and for fun, not to win

It seems that moneylenders use this as an opportunity for them to lend money to gamblers, but they also will not be rash by just lending to gamblers, of course, if the amount borrowed is large enough then obviously there will be something that will be used as collateral, usually valuables such as vehicles or even other assets such as land, and it is clear that moneylenders are unlikely to lend carelessly if the situation and conditions of the gambler do not allow them to pay their debts. True, gambling should be a fun place to fill your empty time and not made as a place of income because it is contrary to the purpose of the casino, I mean there is no way you can get rich from gambling if basically the concept of gambling is always to benefit the house and not the gamblers.

That's the bad impact of gambling if you come with the wrong goal, I'm sure most of the gamblers want to win (if there is any) but gamblers who have common sense will not force something that is out of their control (chasing victory), so of course the understanding of what gambling really is must be considered so that you can make gambling for fun that should be emphasized more, with the right understanding then I think you are less likely to act out of control.
399  Economy / Economics / Re: Setting up financial structures before going into the family way on: January 05, 2024, 12:53:48 PM
With cases of failed marriages and an increasing population of youths without proper training and upbringing, it's sad to know that the root cause of it is mainly as a result of poor financial structure and plan before entering into marriage.

Setting up a system that is consistently bringing money before getting into marriage is almost as important as choosing who to get married to.  as long as food and some basic needs of the children is not a problem, it's easy to tame your children to behave a certain way but if you lack the financial resource to taking care of your family, it's almost certain that you've lost your children to learning and depending more on others to meeting most of their needs which automatically defeat what ever moral you intend planting into their lives.

It's very necessary we educate ourselves and the younger ones coming behind us to take their financial life seriously before embarking into the journey of marriage, even the Bible that most religious people depends on for guidance strictly admonishes that "he that can not provide for his household is worse than an unbeliever" and so you understand how important your financial life his before thinking on settling down.

Your wife will in addition to the love you both shere , respect you the more if she knows that you've been very responsible when it comes to providing for the financial needs of the home and likewise, no man will want to loose A woman that support in providing for the needs in the home.

Don't be blended by love as a young person, their are times that love won't be enough to run a home and that's when factors like your financial strength can come through for you.

Being financially buoyant in marriage will even help you love your partner better so try and use your head.

No matter how much money we collect before marriage, it certainly does not guarantee household harmony in the future.  The point is that a partner who can accept the conditions under any circumstances will definitely provide happiness.  Many people have a lot of money but cannot feel happiness because they have a different lifestyle.

So money is not everything but everything needs money and when you do not have enough finances then obviously family relationships will also not be fine and usually will be far from harmonious, so we cannot lie that money is something that is very important especially when you are married, this is not a matter of style but rather something that must be prepared. So by having enough money, it is clear that this will also be more able to unite our relationship with our partner to be more harmonious, because the ease of meeting needs becomes the main thing in family relationships and we can also see that not a few of them eventually choose to separate because of inadequate financial factors.

We must understand that in family relationships the most important thing is good economic strength and not just strong love, and the combination of financial capability with the bond of strong love will clearly become a harmonious family relationship.
400  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: January 05, 2024, 12:14:52 PM
I think many people already know about demo-based gambling, and I think everyone also knows that the sensation of gambling using real money and demo is different, therefore even though they know there is demo-based gambling, they are more likely to want to gamble with real money even if it is a small nominal amount. because yes, it is clear that the sensation is different, especially with slot gambling, which of course is demo-based. Sometimes, if I want to gamble but am reluctant to spend or lose money, I always go for demo-based slot gambling, even though the sensation is different, but I try to enjoy it.

actually, in my opinion, by running into demo gambling, they can do this by forcing themselves to reduce the risk of losing their money, even though the sensation is different, but if they force it maybe it will work, because I have done it myself, where when I want to gamble I deposit money in My savings and I immediately opened demo-based slot gambling to satisfy my desire to gamble. At first it all felt very different and uncomfortable, but with consistency I could get used to it.

Gambling with play money wont help, as it considers gambling as well. Solution to gambling addiction is gambling? Does not make sense. Limiting gambling or not gambling at all - that is the only solution to addiction. All those play money, watching gambling streams, playing low bank and low bets, making time limits and so on and so forth isnt going to work. It will prolong the process but will not help avoid the inevitable.

More precisely gambling using a demo account will not give them any sensation, because there is no chance to double something there and winning is something that is meaningless, we cannot lie that winning is something that most gamblers always want and that is the reason why many people are interested in getting involved in it which is not uncommon to find those who go overboard. On the other hand, there are probably not a few people who suggest gambling on a demo account, in my opinion it doesn't really matter because considering the difficulty of quitting the activity completely, so with that, it might eliminate the possibility of risk because there is no real victory and there is no defeat that can lose our money too.

Although it can be used as a precaution against losing money but obviously even if you only gamble on a demo account it is still gambling, or I mean it is very likely that when you get a lot of winnings on a demo account you will think of trying to play on a real account using your money. So I would say that this is not the best alternative because it still has the potential for you to return to playing on the real account, the right thing is to take some precautions without touching anything related to gambling, for example keeping yourself busy with other things by increasing your work.
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