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1161  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much effort should one put into Bitcoin investments on: April 12, 2023, 05:23:24 PM
We have to realize that bitcoin is not something that really makes us rich instantly and of course being here the risk is clearly big enough so you can't just be sure if you don't understand how bitcoin works.
But when we are sure about bitcoin I think no matter how much investment you make here you will never experience stress or negative thoughts like you said in your thread, because you are sure of that choice.
Panic, stress and other unfavorable things show that you are not too sure about your choice and when something like that happens I think you should reassess what you are here for.

unfortunately, a lot here are still hoping that one day, btc will be their saviour of acquiring riches in the future. this is why they are agitated to get a hold of btc in their vaults for such goal. if you have your targets and you do believe on this market, you should not be too worried about your portfolio. and always do take note that only use your extra funds so you won't be in tight spot if you happen to need the money.
This is the point because even though it's not too wrong to hope for something beautiful about bitcoin but that is the end result and things like that need a long enough struggle which is called a process and this is where we are right now which is sometimes even more tiring and creates an unhealthy mental state. too able to control a little hit there.
Even though as said before, as long as you are sure of the conditions of what you are investing in and are sure of bitcoin as something worth defending, I don't think you need to worry about the flow you have because at the moment you can say that when you look at their journey they are still very good.
1162  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Shiba Inu turns into privacy coin like Monero or ZCash? on: April 11, 2023, 09:28:41 PM
they still remain to be a meme token, wherein, its survival still depends on the team behind it.
Will add a little to clarify.
Its survival only depends on the pump and dump that is done Cheesy
Well indeed it is a pretty good breakthrough but I think something like this doesn't change anything for them because still they can't be removed from the pump and dump system even though they are now for example going up but in the end things like this happen it won't take long and come back to the initial price where they are below.
1163  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: April 11, 2023, 08:25:58 PM
I was not expecting Juventus to suffer defeat in the hands of Lazio based on their recent form, I thought the game was going end in a tie but Zaccagni's 53th minutes goal became the decider. Lazio has been playing well and beating Juventus shows that they deserve the second spot. It was good business as usual for Napoli as they won Leece to maintain their 16th point lead on the table. They only need to bag 12pts to be crowned champion of Italian seria a.


Now the chance for Juventus to reach the top of the table is lower than before because they lost important points against Lzio, however, I think they performed well enough to win the game and the reason of why Juventus lost the game is mostly because the referee otherwise they could even have the chance to beat Lazio the season is not over yet and I think if Juventus show the same performance we saw for them they can reach better positions of the table.
Actually after they lost 15 points I think their goal is not to be at the top but to get them back in the top 4 is a priority.
Things are still a little complicated but with 9 games remaining for Juventus and with their 8 point gap with Milan who are in 4th place everything is still possible now.
Making them dream of a chance to win is clearly closed and cannot be saved, but they are still able to make a good performance and maximize their top 4 position so they can still survive in the Champions League, which has been something good this season.
1164  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: April 11, 2023, 07:39:01 PM
Liverpool and Chelsea are two big teams who are not going to play in the Champions League next season and I'm very sure about that, even though at this moment Chelsea are still playing in the quarter-finals of the Champions League but I'm sure Chelsea won't be able to get to the final. But yes, if next season they only focus on the Premier League, then it is hoped that they can compete again in the top four for next season.

Maybe there are some who still hope for a miracle for Liverpool to be able to finish in the top four, but with Liverpool's current condition it is certainly difficult for Liverpool to finish even though it is only in fifth position. Because the teams are currently in the top five, of course they will continue to strive to be able to maintain their position until the end of the season.
Actually for Liverpool it was quite a shame because previously with several matches that went well for them they were even able to compete with several clubs such as Newcastle and Manchester United at that time but in the last 4 matches they did not show anything positive for them anymore and moved away from position. That.
The difference is 12 points now with Manchester United who are in 4th place, of course this is indeed their chance to close with the form they have at the moment and with fewer and fewer matches remaining.
1165  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much effort should one put into Bitcoin investments on: April 11, 2023, 06:45:27 PM
We have to realize that bitcoin is not something that really makes us rich instantly and of course being here the risk is clearly big enough so you can't just be sure if you don't understand how bitcoin works.
But when we are sure about bitcoin I think no matter how much investment you make here you will never experience stress or negative thoughts like you said in your thread, because you are sure of that choice.
Panic, stress and other unfavorable things show that you are not too sure about your choice and when something like that happens I think you should reassess what you are here for.
1166  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: April 10, 2023, 02:44:46 PM
You must have heard about the speculations about Ancelotti. He is expected to leave his job in the summer no matter how many titles they get in this season. If this is really true then I wonder if he has some other plans to do in his mind. Actually Ancelotti has been a really good manager for this team. His very successful run in the previous season is still in my mind. Maybe they can't win the La Liga title this season but there is still a chance for the Champions League and Copa del Rey titles on one hand.

In case he leaves I wonder who Real Madrid would think of for the job. One thing seems certain to me that this candidate wouldn't be Zidane again.  Grin  Because he isn't interested in such job these days.
I think it's quite natural that he decided to leave regardless of age, actually last season he was also a bit forced to be in Madrid but the news about him going to coach the Brazilian national team a while ago surprised me a little because indeed his age is now quite suitable for him. take a break from a professional career.

As for Zidane's return, of course this is the biggest hope especially for the fans because we know that Zidane is a figure who is still quite important for  Madrid and his supporters.
It has become a tradition for Real Madrid if a coach fails to win La Liga or the Champions League he will receive an ultimatum directly from Perez. The failure this season for Real Madrid to compete with its main rival Barcelona has made Ancelotti's fate on the verge of exit. But for Ancelotti of course he will not worry because he is very familiar with the contents of the Real Madrid kitchen. Don Carlo is the figure of the best coach in the world, if indeed Madrid don't want him anymore then quite a lot of other teams are lining up to hunt for his signature.

However, according to rumors that are developing wildly, the figure of Ancelotti's successor at Real Madrid is most likely Conte, because he has not had another club after being sacked by Spurs and he is considered suitable to coach Vinicius and friends. Conte is also an alternative to Thucel who has rushed to join Bayern Munich. In addition, there is also news that Perez will appoint Raul as the next coach of El Real.
So far there hasn't been any confirmation about the coach who will be standing there later, but for Conte, maybe it can still be forced, it's just that with a track record, which is not very good from a coaching point of view, especially for durations, which are always short for several big clubs, maybe this also needs to be addressed. consider.
He is still one of the coaches who is actually quite good, it's just that I still think Madrid should look further, especially if they don't want to change coaches too quickly, considering that Conte sometimes only has 2 seasons or even less than that.
1167  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: April 09, 2023, 10:04:19 PM
You must have heard about the speculations about Ancelotti. He is expected to leave his job in the summer no matter how many titles they get in this season. If this is really true then I wonder if he has some other plans to do in his mind. Actually Ancelotti has been a really good manager for this team. His very successful run in the previous season is still in my mind. Maybe they can't win the La Liga title this season but there is still a chance for the Champions League and Copa del Rey titles on one hand.

In case he leaves I wonder who Real Madrid would think of for the job. One thing seems certain to me that this candidate wouldn't be Zidane again.  Grin  Because he isn't interested in such job these days.
I think it's quite natural that he decided to leave regardless of age, actually last season he was also a bit forced to be in Madrid but the news about him going to coach the Brazilian national team a while ago surprised me a little because indeed his age is now quite suitable for him. take a break from a professional career.

As for Zidane's return, of course this is the biggest hope especially for the fans because we know that Zidane is a figure who is still quite important for  Madrid and his supporters.
1168  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I still believe I am on the right path on: April 09, 2023, 09:39:05 PM
Even most of the news which are real are presented in a way which could cause the biggest impact to the ones reading, then it is important to know very well why we are invested in bitcoin and to have clear long term goals, otherwise one of those news will eventually make our emotions fluctuate and cause us to doubt our decision to be invested in bitcoin, and if that happens then it is almost a certainty that at some point you will make a mistake and sell your coins before you reach your goals.
I have already made that mistake and still regretting my decisions. That's why I can say this confidently that news is just what they choose to let you see or hear. I have learned the lesson from my past mistakes. But the stain is still there.
So it is very important to stay away from FUDs and all the other negative news. Just buy and HODL. That's what I believe now. I was a panic seller LOL.
While unfortunately there is nothing we can do to mend the mistakes we have already made, what we can do is to learn from them, and even if it sounds odd sometimes the best option is to not give as much attention to this market, because if you do and you read the news or comments on social media, given enough time you will find many posts predicting all kind of bad things for this market, and if you keep reading them they could influence you once again to make a new mistake.
Precisely things like that should be used as experience because indeed humans must feel like this first so they can be aware and upgrade what they have.
Everyone must have made mistakes in their life and of course this is important for them because we cannot be where we are today if we have never done it in the past. But that doesn't mean we have to make a mistake first to fix it, it's just that when we make a mistake, it's certain that we become more eager to at least not make that mistake a second time.
1169  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: April 09, 2023, 08:39:12 PM
It was quite an exciting match actually and it wasn't too strange with the score although I was expecting something more from Arsenal for this match.
Crucial minutes were still a real problem as they failed to maintain the concentration that brought Liverpool level.
On the other hand, Firmino is again a hero for Liverpool because he is sometimes a troublesome Supersub.
Well, this result is clearly profitable for Manchester City because their chances of getting close are quite large.
when i saw the first 45 Minuten and the game should have been won by Liverpool. Then i see the second 45 minutes and that should have won Arsenal. But the last minutes, very close. Now 6 points ahead of Manchester City, but City have 1 game less, so you can say there are only 3 points difference. 8 games left in the season and the match than Team win this year the Championship can be on 26 April. Manchester City vs Arsenal, Matchday 33. Otherwise both have to play vs Chelsea, all other games are not really top matches.
The problem faced by these two teams is actually the same because they always have difficulty maintaining momentum, especially after carrying out attacks.
Luckily, in this match, the penalty that Salah took was off the mark because if this worked, it would clearly make this even more of a loss for Arsenal.
On the other hand, I actually like Gabriel's performance in this match because he was able to find his rhythm again after a long injury, even though the final result was not very good for Arsenal.

It was quite an exciting match actually and it wasn't too strange with the score although I was expecting something more from Arsenal for this match.
Crucial minutes were still a real problem as they failed to maintain the concentration that brought Liverpool level.
On the other hand, Firmino is again a hero for Liverpool because he is sometimes a troublesome Supersub.
Well, this result is clearly profitable for Manchester City because their chances of getting close are quite large.
I also thought something like that, the Liverpool vs Arsenal draw was very much in Manchester City's favour.
Of course Manchester City still have to strugling to beat Leicester in the next match, but they have to face Bayern Munich first for the Champions League. I think Arsenal are really under pressure if Manchester City wins against Leicester, that means that the point gap between Arsenal and Manchester City will only leave 3 points.

Arsenal currently has 8 match left before the season ends, the next match are against West Ham and Southamton, but the next two matches against Manchester City and Chelsea are fierce duels for Arsenal. If Arsenal lose points while Manchester City win, then City will likely lead the standings until the end.
Actually, with the current conditions of Manchester City and Leicester, it's clear that it's a little easier for Manchester City, especially since we know the difference in quality this season and their statistics so far are inversely proportional, which makes this something actually easy. It's just that maybe City's big match with Bayern in the Champions League quarter-finals will be a little disturbing, especially since the gap is only 3 days for Manchester City because of course a big match with Bayern will make the players tired.
1170  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: April 09, 2023, 07:47:29 PM
Arsenal playing against Liverpool got my heart broken them playing a draw, was not that bad we move, I was not certified with Arsenal's performance and I end up not finishing the game, I expected more from Arsenal and the truth of the matter was that Arsenal was neatly played and arsenal was just lucky to have played draw and am sure that salah will score, and from the stats starting from the ball possession to the shots on targets Liverpool is leading all and an equal record of yellow cards and the interesting part is that arsenal still leading with 73 points.
It was quite an exciting match actually and it wasn't too strange with the score although I was expecting something more from Arsenal for this match.
Crucial minutes were still a real problem as they failed to maintain the concentration that brought Liverpool level.
On the other hand, Firmino is again a hero for Liverpool because he is sometimes a troublesome Supersub.
Well, this result is clearly profitable for Manchester City because their chances of getting close are quite large.
1171  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: April 08, 2023, 09:56:44 PM
It seems like even using another coach didn't help Chelsea a lot, they still lose games easily in the premier league and this time against Wolves while they had the chance to score goals in the second half and they had a far better performance than Wolves still they lose the game because of the goal in the first half and it shows us Chslea got big issues about finishing the ball.
Yes, it is true. It is because the problem in Chelsea is a bit complicated. The problem is not only about the coach, they also have the problem about players mentality and solidity among the players. And the Chelsea attackers also have a lack of accuracy in shooting. That's why they only won the ball possession but they can't score even a single goal. Actually, they have a strong striker, Aubameyang. Sadly, this man always sits on the bench. I never saw Aubameyang became the starter anymore.

Still, even if what you say is true, now Chelsea need a scapegoat and of course it is the Coach who is being targeted at the moment.
The conditions are indeed very difficult for Chelsea to endure, they have had too many internal problems this season, starting with the higher-ups due to political problems and the repeated changes of coaches and poor performance that have shaken the mentality of the players a little in this case which of course makes they get worse again and again.
But for the big teams now they have to try to get back up no matter what because it would not be funny if a club as big as Chelsea at the end of the season ended eleventh and bottom.
1172  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Top AI Crypto coins that can possibly change your life on: April 08, 2023, 09:42:34 PM
Indeed, for now, the existence of AI hype that occurs in all fields can make them something good and can be used as an asset that deserves attention. But for their tokens actually I still feel this is only happening because of the hype even though now it's quite good but vigilance obviously has to be there because I still feel things like this will die down if the hype ends so in the end it won't last long. There have been many actual examples of hype like this, even though it's not wrong to be there, you have to pay more attention from all aspects.

Think of past trends in the market like NFT, Defi, and most recently, the metaverse, all of which were dumped and turned into junk, causing many investors to lose money on the market. If talking about AI projects of technology companies, I can't deny their benefits, but with projects in the crypto industry, I really can't believe what the projects are doing. Investing in altcoins is only for the short term, we should not waste time and money believing what they promise.
This can be something that is certain, especially since we also know that the conditions regarding AI are indeed as you say their technology will still be grounded, but for projects that are about this, not all will be like that.
It's possible that for now there are some conditions where they are still quite good like GRT for example but I also can't say hype like this will be good because of course things like this come back to hype, after their hype is over in the end it will just be as it is - already with its hit n run.
1173  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: April 08, 2023, 08:30:25 PM
Bundesliga is always like this in stoppage times of every season,  very unpredictable. I'm not surprised at Bayern Munich's result in their Freiburg clash but I was at least expecting more than two goals from the match seeing that the two are scoring teams, but Tuchel boys managed to escape with a narrow win. Most surprising is the disappointment from Mainz who stood so low to accept a double equalizer goal from Werder Bremen just under 10 minutes.
I completely disagree with you regarding Budelsliga and being unpredictable, we know usually in Bundesliga we see Bayern Munich win the league and finish the season as the first team on the table while all other teams are usually racing other second and other positions I guess we see the same story, in the end, this season because Dortmund is not performing well since a week and Bayern Munich is against the only team racing for the trophy.

We thought the Dortmund team might be competing with Bayern Munich for the Bundesliga title this season. And Dortmund's performance was pretty steady. They also got the opportunity to go to the top of the points table. But they lost the top spot in the table after losing badly against Bayern Munich. However, Dortmund played quite well in today's match against Union Berlin. And they won the match 2-1. However, if Bayern Munich does not lose points in the next matches, Dortmund has no chance of going to the top of the table. Bayern Munich's team performance is much more stable than Dortmund's. Bayern Munich will win the title this season as in previous seasons.
Now it is still possible for Dortmund, at least with a win against Union Berlin apart from them distancing themselves from Union Berlin, the gap of two points is still maintained so far. But indeed for now apart from them having to continue to be optimal and consistent, they also have to hope that Bayern will slip again in the remaining matches to be played because this is the only chance for them.
1174  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: April 07, 2023, 07:49:07 PM
We are talking about a Bundesliga match this time not a DFB Pokal one. Therefore I will be expecting Bayern Munich not to make the same mistake again versus Freiburg here.

It was really surprising to see them losing to Freiburg there though. But I guess they weren't caring about that cup very much while there are bigger targets like the Bundesliga and Champions League titles. Here in the Bundesliga these two teams are going to face each other once again. This time I think Bayern Munich will have a quite dominant game just as they had against Dortmund last week. From now on every match is very important for the league championship. I don't think we would see a surprising result here.

it's surprising but not impossible that it happened. because Freiburg is also in the top 4 of the Bundesliga standings. and really if you see Munich that is not focused, I think it is Freiburg's luck.
The Bundesliga is the most competitive league this season. compared to other leagues that have already seen the leader of the standings. The Bundesliga is likely to determine the champion until the end of the season with several position changes in the standings.
The condition was indeed that Bayern were too sure at that time but in this case it was indeed a bit outside of predictions.
Even so, I think for the next match their meeting will be a little different. Tomorrow will be fun if Bayern are again able to show extraordinary dominance in the Bundesliga even though they previously lost but of course their chance when they manage to win with a striking score in their first meeting when they meet Freiburg can also be used as capital which can indeed increase self-confidence .
1175  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is buying BTC now, the best option ??? on: April 07, 2023, 04:14:12 PM
Actually when we say it's bitcoin i always say they are the best choice and I have emphasized that at least for myself since a few years before so that with the current conditions it is still quite cheap (although it has increased a few percent) but I can still say they are still worth it to buy. The conditions will not change I think for me because in this case even though for now we know bitcoin is still a matter of debate for most people especially skeptics but as long as I stay here I believe bitcoin remains one of my best assets and things like this it's still worth maintaining and still very able to buy.
1176  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: April 07, 2023, 09:42:39 AM
If Arsenal can beat Liverpool in the upcoming match then of course Arsenal can be said to be one step ahead to get closer to winning the title this season. but the difference in points between Arsenal and Man City cannot be said to be safe either. because Man City has one delayed match that they can use to reduce the point gap with Arsenal. but as long as Arsenal can continue to win the remaining games then we can be sure Arsenal will not be stopped this season.

The game between Arsnal and Liverpool is as important as winning the league title, It very important that they need fight very hard in that game with their strength, energy and every tactics that they got in order to secure this victory from Liverpool, failure to do so, means giving more opportunity to their major league contender Manchester City to close up the point gaps that Arsenal is using to be ahead of City, and may eventually deny them the title they have been fighting for since the beginning of the season on just getting towards the conclusion of the season.
Every match that will be performed for Arsenal as long as Manchester City is still strictly attached so this will indeed be very important. Moreover, of course we know how the current condition of competition and still this can be said to be a big match regardless of whatever the condition of Liverpool now they remain a rival.
At present, Liverpool's condition is a little unfavorable but for this match they play at Anfield although for now Anfield does not seem too scary to visit.
1177  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin usage in crime activity. on: April 06, 2023, 09:17:22 PM
The problem here is that the system should have some way to fight these criminals because we don't want bitcoin to be associated with drugs and sex trafficking,  but the problem is, by solving these problems we should get rid of anonymity which is a pillar for the bitcoin technology, so it can't be done. And this problem might be a big obstacle in mass bitcoin adoption and regulations that are coming.
Almost every single currency or asset that exists in the world is used somewhere in a criminal or bad activity, and that doesn't really make much of a difference as those using it are the ones who are bad and not the currency or asset that is being used. People used to think Bitcoin is a currency used only in criminal activities some years ago, but did that stop Bitcoin from becoming famous or proving everyone wrong? No.

So no matter how hard a certain group of people or authorities try to convey it so that it looks bad and people stay away from it, it will become more and more popular and people will start using it more. So we don't really need to worry about that thing.
Here's the point.
I think everyone should look at the root of the problem, because to say bitcoin is a den of evil, then what about money or other valuable assets.
But on the other hand this is also not the fault of bitcoin itself because in this case bitcoin or other valuable assets are just objects here. What needs to be straightened out is how our attitude is in using it.
This happens because of greed and how everyone's mindset always does things in ways that are not justified and this will definitely happen not only for bitcoin but for others as well. Dirty human minds make it appear that bitcoin is ugly, but that doesn't mean that everything in it is also ugly, because this is only for a handful who can be represented as irresponsible "persons".
1178  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: April 06, 2023, 08:13:54 PM
Indeed, the two clubs have a great chance to remain in the top 4 zone of the EPL standings as long as they can maintain consistency in every game, but I think Newcastle and Man United are still in good form which continues to improve from time to time.

Newcastle's current condition is like they have rediscovered the rhythm that was a little lost for the middle of the season. After they lost to Manchester City, the next 4 matches they always get full points and this is obviously very good for them.
Now they just need to maintain consistency like this because indeed looking at the upcoming matches it will actually still be a bit inconvenient because Brentford also sometimes always surprises but for the current position in the top 4 it looks like they are a little comfortable because their competitors are only Manchester United and Tottenham but for Manchester United, Newcastle are still quite good in terms of goal productivity and for Tottenham it is clear that the remaining 1 match of Newcastle can still be used as one of the reasons they are able to survive at this time especially Tottenham are also 3 points behind.
1179  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: April 06, 2023, 07:23:03 PM
The game between Juventus and Lazio may appear too difficult to predict but the outcome of the game will not be a shocking one because both teams are in good shape at the moment but one team needs the result more to increase their chances of pushing their way back to top4 and that team is Juventus. Juventus needs the winning to boost them chances and I think they will wear the crown because they are really performing well after the point deduction they suffered in the league.
It's quite difficult to see that from the current conditions both teams are still very good at doing their job especially with their last few matches ending in positive results for Juventus and Lazio.
The chance of a draw is actually still quite big in this match but of course both teams still don't want to play it safe like this and they will do their best to do what they can to make this a win.
Lazio have another advantage at home but with the recent run of games for Juventus it doesn't look like they will be too bothered by this either.
1180  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: April 05, 2023, 09:52:01 PM
Damn, benzema was kicking barcelona's ass out from copa del rey.  Cheesy I could not even imagine it before how impressive the performance from benzema. benzema is also making another record against barcelona. It was giving a chance for real madrid to win another trophy for this season.

That's really nice result from barcelona. The thing that im aware if real madrid was changing its strategy. Ancelotti aware about how to beat barcelona by used the same strategy as barcelona. that proves that the fact if quality that owned by real madrid is better compared with barcelona when it was using the same strategy. Real madrid uses 4-3-3 same as barcelona which is giving a very significant impact to the club as rodrygo, benzema and vini were able to have so many free spaces when it was doing counter attack against barcelona.

Madrid faces lose two times in a row once ancellotti was using 4-3-2-1. That's very good decision by ancellotti to change the strategy to be the same as barcelona.

what a surprised. Madrid is real king of come back.

Benzema showing again why he is one the best strikers in the world and in Spain. I didnt expect such an easy and big win at camp nou for Real Madrid. Probobly the biggest defeat for Barcelona in last 20 years at Camp Nou against Real Madrid.
Well, the second half was really worth watching apart from the several incidents that occurred, of course, the 3 goals from Benzema were certainly not unexpected.
Actually, for the first half (before Vini's goal) I was a little annoyed with the performance of the two teams, which was indeed quite monotonous in terms of opportunities, but after the second half started it was clearly different. Barcelona looked like there were a lot of gaps and seemed unprepared for this match but on the other hand Madrid were very dominant and congratulations to them for making it to the final.
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