I think you will notice there are also others who have been waiting just as long

I have 2 sites which have donated some btc for me to review so they have jumped the queue for today.
Then I have a site owner who has been patiently waiting for me to get back to him regarding 1 user owning multiple sites.

Then if time permits I'll start on the oldest item In my pending list

Thanks Im going to have 1 last stab it today before I throw it on the back burner.

What I have realized from reviewing yabtcl is that its not enough for sites to simply describe their provably fair system they need to walk through an example.

bitbet.us ?

the site operator is a crook and a foul mouthed racist (mpoe-r = micera = hate speech enthusiast).
Historically they have resolved at least 3 vague bets in the site owners favour when the bets should have been nullified.

Despite the owner being a truly nasty piece of shit and several highly questionable bet resolutions I only list the site as untrustworthy

see here: http://memslist.com/?action=site_status&url=bitbet.us

The reason being is thus:

Micera being a waste of human life does not invalidate his business.

Now specifically regarding wager resolutions.

* a wager with unclear outcomes should never be hosted.
* All outcomes must be verifiable by independent 3rd parties.
* Wording of the wager must be clear without any room for re-interpretation (leave that for the bible).

Now when a site operator hosts a wager which fails to meet the above they are:

* stupid
* possibly corrupt (they intend to bet at the last minute and get creative interpreting the bet result (best example is bitbet.us for this).
* Highly untrustworthy if they resolve the bet despite unclear wording &/ outcomes.

And of course the punter is also:

* stupid, sorry guys but treat all wagers like a deal with the devil (literally for bitbet.us ).
* inexperienced. Avoid bets that are not properly structured paying close attention to  outcome conditions and timing.
* Possibly the site operator using a sock puppet (micera/ mpoe-r is terrible for this ) to reassure other punters "HEY DERP DERP, I TRUST BITBET.US YOU SHOULD TO, EVERYONE ELSE IS A TROLL AND JEALOUS".

Id label bitbet.us an outright scam if they ran off with the money or if resolutions of bets with absolute conditions contradicted the outcome.

mpoe-r / micera is just another nasty used car salesman. His transmissions are full of saw dust and they have put epoxy on every oil leak they could find, but he does sell cars and does not out right lie regarding the cars condition (just extremely misleading and a poor excuse for a human being).

Hi mate, sorry for the delay in your reply.


You need to drop the [ and ] brackets

fix that up and I'll submit the text file for you

http://www.bitblackred.com/bet-verification

Provably fair IF you provide your own seed (like justdice).

Quite correct and this afternoon is dedicated to processing

Im aiming to knock out 2 reviews and respond to all messages.

noted, please keep me updated on this issue.

keep fighting the good fight

sumo wrestling does sound like something fun to bet on and watch.
Im pretty sure many of the sports sites would host that bet happily, where do you watch the matches ? got a link to a stream ?

Been a fan of sumo wrestling ever since watching blood sport (hehe i know, not accurate at all etc etc).

yes you can gelp

Everyone can gelp in fact.

Start by being extremely critical of any provably fair claims. If you can think of a variable that is not covered then flag it here and with the site operator.
I often get bogged down in peoples provably fair implementations.

For example, yaabtcl - looks nice, but tbh its a far cry from provably fair.
Im not doubting its fair, but here is my current example:


OK, what is the order of the addresses in the file ?
I contacted the admin, who said it is chronological order by time of bet.

OK, how can I as a player tell what times the bets were made ?
waiting on response.

Now assume the response suggests I use one of the sites pages to see bet history, well thats pretty good but what stops the site from changing their database as well as the file order ? if the answer is nothing then its not provably fair.

How would I resolve this issue ?
Well if I HAD to use a file of all payout addresses Id personally sort it alphabetically thus removing any potential shuffling of bet times from the problem.
buuuut then, how do we know their not sneaking in another bet at the last minute after checking the results and not being happy with the payouts ?

again I'll be waiting on the response of the site owner.

Now just because someones provably fair system is not provably fair under close scrutiny does not mean it is not fair.
Often site admins make a sincere attempt to demonstrate that their system is fair but fail in the implementation.

So a bit of feedback to the site owners can go a long way (they usually respond to my suggestions happily) and it helps me quickly review a site when I get around to it.

You could pick any site in my pending list, give it your own once over and post findings here

None what so ever when you are selling an idea you know to be flawed as working.

While I do like just dice what your stating here is false.

Just dice.... is perhaps the ~25th to 50th bitcoin gambling site to be provably fair.

There first few are the original bitcoin lotto (good turned scam and now offline) or bitcoin darts (still plugging along ) closely followed by satoshidice.


Yes, and prior to that doog was incredible helpful in reviewing gambling sites for my list and also would generate his satoshidice profit graphs.

As far as trusting doog to handle your money safely, well so far so good

Finished adding support for a single user owning multiple sites
The usual bunch of internal tweaks.
Moderators and Admins (me) can ignore all form captchas


For site operators with multiple domains, please note the image below
(also applies to existing users who are adding sites after creating accounts).




Resuming my review of the yaabtcl as it seems I missed a PM

Sorry if I forget / miss a PM people, just fire of a reminder if I do.

Yes, they use a fresh deck each time.

If they did not change their shuffle each time and only shuffled on the clients seed then the client would entirely control the deck order and be able to reuse old seeds.

Yes it is.
You would show a hash of the servers secret, then shuffle the deck using the (client seed + servers seed).


Its not, bitzino does this as at a casino we expect a shuffled deck + player cut.
Bitzino does better than a phsyical casino but doing the dealer shuffle then the player shuffle.


All sites Ive played use a new deck each hand, so good luck counting cards

quick update, its been noted on reddit that betsofbitco.in has gone offline and apparently taken clients funds as well

edit: doing some coding to address an issue.

This makes me a sad panda.


list updated to reflect.

Im just going to go ahead and say it.

You shouldnt explaining provably fair gambling when its clear you need it explained to yourself.
There is enough ignorance and misinformation around already.

sorry for the lag, back up now.

Pausing my review of http://yabtcl.com as the provably fair needs a bit of work, will revisit it later after reviewing some other sites in the queue

Well back onto it

Dealt with some sad business, had a nice easter break, time to get cracking again.
Ive got about 8pm's to catch up on, some may notice Ive added recaptcha - had to due to some bots spamming the signup form (to what benefit I have no idea).

Need to add some final speed & caching tweaks to the simple template engine, its feature complete for what I need.

And obviously there are some sites I need to review
Reviewing a lottery site atm, their provably fair system seems quite complex so Im ensuring there is no possible variances at any step, Taken longer than normal due to other business but I'll jump back onto it shortly.