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541  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Misconceptions of Israeli Culture on: August 08, 2014, 03:00:40 PM
going back 10,000 years before the pyramids and abraham and stuff, there was no nonsense going on

it was only when the first gods were invented about 9,000 years ago that people started getting a bit nutty

one minute, happy hunter gatherers, the next minute it was all big hats and shaking ju ju sticks at blithe spirits while howling incantations to the moon, dancing naked and general behaviour of that sort

fast forward thousands of years and this religiousisation process begets two groups in israel both nutty fruitcakes

one group from gaza threatens to kill all the soldiers and military in israel but launch rockets willy nilly killing anyone

the other group want to wipe out everyone in gaza, and do a pretty good job, but saying they are only after particular baddies

Can't say that I agree, we have archeological evidence of tribal fighting along the Nile before any of the ancient civilizations mentioned in the Bible ever existed.
542  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Misconceptions of Israeli Culture on: August 08, 2014, 02:32:32 PM
Preachers on the streets. They're about on the same level as the westboro baptist church.
543  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Misconceptions of Israeli Culture on: August 08, 2014, 02:25:24 PM
Why are black Jews so militant?
544  Other / Off-topic / Re: Observations on prayers and miracles? on: August 08, 2014, 02:10:56 PM
Ill give you some examples :

1) The world is an amazing place that we cannot fully explain.

That's all fine and well but because we are stupid and cant explain everything is hardly evidence for anything other than we are stupid.

2)  There are writings that say people spoke to god.  There are writings of (insert anything here)

Heresay of heresay.  Not evidence of anything.  Not even indirect evidence twice removed.

3)  Unexplainable (miracles) happen.

If unexplainable and seemingly impossible events NEVER happened, that might constitute evidence of god.  Statistics says the unexplainable should happen with a certain regularity.


Your turn.
  Got anything?Huh

ha ha ha, show me a picture of god please..
why don't you show us a picture of your soul?
545  Other / Off-topic / Re: Observations on prayers and miracles? on: August 08, 2014, 02:09:59 PM
http://web.med.harvard.edu/sites/RELEASES/html/3_31STEP.html

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The STEP team, composed of investigators at six academic medical centers, including Baptist Memorial Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee; Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, Massachusetts; Integris Baptist Medical Center in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma; Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota; St. Joseph's Hospital in Tampa, Florida; Washington Hospital Center in Washington, D.C; and the Mind/Body Medical Institute, found that intercessory prayer had no effect on recovery from surgery without complications. The study also found that patients who knew they were receiving intercessory prayer fared worse. The paper appears in the April issue of American Heart Journal.
There are folk who can testify that they have had prayers answered.

Others testify that they have not - and lets face it, the testimonies do not conflict.  Unless you have some universal law you can point out that everyone or no one should get their prayers answered.
546  Other / Off-topic / Re: Are you willing to go above and beyond at work on: August 08, 2014, 10:18:42 AM
Well, since I haven't worked at a place I didn't own for about 25 years, I have to go with yes. Before that, I worked for the place I bought, so...yeah.
547  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is it a bad decision to payoff mortgage early on: August 05, 2014, 06:06:18 PM
i should have just kept the mortgage. i know im gonna kick myself a few years from now when interest rate goes back up.


I originally planned to keep the mortgage while saving up cash for down payment of the next property. but it hurts to see 4.4% mortgage interest going out the window every month while a bunch of cash is sitting doing nothing in the 0.5% saving account. so i chickened out and decided to pay off this mortgage first. now i have $150k sitting there doing nothing.
548  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Israel: Operation Protective Edge on: August 05, 2014, 05:48:39 PM
Just heard Fareed Zakaria on CNN say that Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordan have not condemned Israel, which is unprecedented. These countries are more fearful of Islamic extremist groups like Hamas than they are of Israel.
The Egyptian government hates Hamas because of its relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood, Saudi Arabia dislikes Hamas because it sees it as an Iranian proxy in the area and Saudi Arabia and Iran are locked in a long standing struggle against one another for Middle Eastern dominance.
549  Other / Politics & Society / Is it a bad decision to payoff mortgage early on: August 05, 2014, 05:42:04 PM
I was so eager that I paid off a 4.4% $150k 15y mortgage in a few years. now some people are analyzing and suggesting that i should have run it out.


thoughts?
550  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Misconceptions of Israeli Culture on: August 05, 2014, 05:35:02 PM
I heard somewhere that Jews are the cause of the world's wars. I think Mel Gibson said it. Is he right? Seems like a rather adolescent attempt at tongue-in-cheek.
551  Other / Politics & Society / Re: what do you think about the way college tuitions keep increasing out of control on: August 05, 2014, 05:31:57 PM
My state contributes less than 7% to the budget of the University of Oregon. 30 years ago it was 30%.
That's a number, but is that a cause? Did the proportion the state contributes to the University's budget decrease because of cuts in contributions or because the budget drastically increased while the contribution, adjusted for inflation, held relatively constant?
It's because the state has been continually cutting funding to the institution .My state has more people and less funding per capital for education of all forms.
552  Other / Politics & Society / Re: what do you think about the way college tuitions keep increasing out of control on: August 05, 2014, 05:17:29 PM
My state contributes less than 7% to the budget of the University of Oregon. 30 years ago it was 30%.
553  Other / Politics & Society / Re: what do you think about the way college tuitions keep increasing out of control on: August 05, 2014, 01:55:16 PM
Meanwhile the government also made it impossible to avoid paying back student loans. Persons with student loan debt are treated just as bad as deadbeat fathers in terms of how they're punished for their debt and their ability to get out from under their debt.
554  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Misconceptions of Israeli Culture on: August 05, 2014, 01:22:31 PM
I seem to remember you voicing support for the election of Avigdor Lieberman as Prime Minister based on his Russian heritage. He certainly isn't a liberal candidate.
555  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Misconceptions of Israeli Culture on: August 05, 2014, 12:57:35 PM
The Netanyahu government doesn't believe in a two state solution under any circumstances (He's publicly said as much and it is written into the charter of the party that he heads). Trying to suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
A lot of Israeli governments say that.

It was the Likud (Netanyahu's same "right-wing party") that gave up the entire Sinai Peninsula. I have now shown you proof that even "right-wingers" make concessions. And Gaza's gone too. Now show me proof that Israel will do something differently.
The proof is a close to half century old occupation. Israel couldn't even live up to a single one of its peace plan promises under the Road Map, even when Palestinians under the PA lived up to their side of the bargain. Let me know when that changes.
1967-2014: Israel gave up over 75% of its land mass. It's only a matter of time before Israel withdraws from the West Bank. It will happen. History has shown us as much.
Where has history shown as much? And saying that Israel gave up 75% of its land mass is disingenuous. The Sinai never belonged to Israel / it never had any right to it. Likewise, the entire reason why the Gaza disengagement happened was (as was publicly admited) to kill the overall peace process, specifically as it related to the West Bank. So Israel get's no cudos for that.
They only took the Sinai because there were Egyptian troops massed on the border with Israel. Israel had to attack, or else the Egyptians would strike first.

But I gave you historical examples. Israeli withdrawals have happened. And they will happen again.

And Dylith, I feel the pain of both sides. The only people in this entire conflict I can't stand are Hamas and Hezbollah. I do not like terrorist organizations, but I have nothing against the Palestinian People.
Israeli generals don't all agree with your interpretation. And that is beside the point. It changes nothing as to the validity of your claims that the Sinai belonged to Israel.
You gave "examples" while completely ignoring their context. The West Bank isn't the same as the Sinai.
It's interesting how in American politics I would be considered a conservative for supporting Israel, but in Israeli politics I would be considered a liberal because I support a Two-State Solution. How interesting and strange.

Cliffs: In America if you support a Two-State solution, you are a conservative. In Israel, you are a liberal.

And I am open to both sides of the debate. That is why I posted Palestinian and Israeli hip hop videos in the previous page. I actually did a college research paper on Palestinian and Israeli hip hop.
I support Israel too, which is why I don't support leaders like Netanyahu or administrations hamstrung in the peace process by conservative kingmaker parties (aka all recent Israeli administrations).
556  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Misconceptions of Israeli Culture on: August 05, 2014, 12:45:33 PM
The Netanyahu government doesn't believe in a two state solution under any circumstances (He's publicly said as much and it is written into the charter of the party that he heads). Trying to suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
A lot of Israeli governments say that.

It was the Likud (Netanyahu's same "right-wing party") that gave up the entire Sinai Peninsula. I have now shown you proof that even "right-wingers" make concessions. And Gaza's gone too. Now show me proof that Israel will do something differently.
The proof is a close to half century old occupation. Israel couldn't even live up to a single one of its peace plan promises under the Road Map, even when Palestinians under the PA lived up to their side of the bargain. Let me know when that changes.
1967-2014: Israel gave up over 75% of its land mass. It's only a matter of time before Israel withdraws from the West Bank. It will happen. History has shown us as much.
Where has history shown as much? And saying that Israel gave up 75% of its land mass is disingenuous. The Sinai never belonged to Israel / it never had any right to it. Likewise, the entire reason why the Gaza disengagement happened was (as was publicly admited) to kill the overall peace process, specifically as it related to the West Bank. So Israel get's no cudos for that.
They only took the Sinai because there were Egyptian troops massed on the border with Israel. Israel had to attack, or else the Egyptians would strike first.

But I gave you historical examples. Israeli withdrawals have happened. And they will happen again.

And Dylith, I feel the pain of both sides. The only people in this entire conflict I can't stand are Hamas and Hezbollah. I do not like terrorist organizations, but I have nothing against the Palestinian People.
Israeli generals don't all agree with your interpretation. And that is beside the point. It changes nothing as to the validity of your claims that the Sinai belonged to Israel.
You gave "examples" while completely ignoring their context. The West Bank isn't the same as the Sinai.
557  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Jury: Ventura Verdict - Wins $1.84 Million on: August 05, 2014, 12:39:01 PM
I'm not sure its legal for a judge to order a jury to come to one conclusion and deny them the option of a hung jury. That said I think a hung jury is the best solution. it lets ventura's ego off the hook  without taking money from the widow. It does however show that the deposition which some accused of being lies because "they didn't remember and if you can't remember you're lying" wasn't as powerful as some had thought it would be for ventura.
Strictly the judge's call, but it is not uncommon for the judge to ask the jury to give it another shot before throwing in the towel.  A lot of time and money is invested in the trial.

I would think after this long deliberation, the likelihood of them coming to a verdict is very small, and I'm a little surprised the judge did that, sent them back again.  But I would guess he will dismiss them at the end of today if they don't reach a verdict.
I'm not talking about the judge sending the jury back to try again, I'm talking about the judge telling the jury they cannot be hung.  Reconsidering that statement I suspect it was just part of the jury instruction in order for them to return a verdict instead of telling them they can't be split.
You think he can force them to come to a verdict?  Really?  That's really not possible.

It is not unusual, like I say for judges to ask jurors to go back and give it one more try.  It sometimes does result in a jury verdict.   But I would be really surprised if he kept the jury going for much longer, and surely cannot ORDER them to come to a verdict.  That's impossible, frankly.
I really think that is beyond what should be expected of jurors, frankly, and borders on abuse.  30 hours of deliberation isn't enough to recognize they simply canNOT come to a consensus?  Really?  How long is he going to keep them, another 30 hours?  Strange and, as I say, bordering on abusive.
558  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Misconceptions of Israeli Culture on: August 05, 2014, 12:30:08 PM
The Netanyahu government doesn't believe in a two state solution under any circumstances (He's publicly said as much and it is written into the charter of the party that he heads). Trying to suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
A lot of Israeli governments say that.

It was the Likud (Netanyahu's same "right-wing party") that gave up the entire Sinai Peninsula. I have now shown you proof that even "right-wingers" make concessions. And Gaza's gone too. Now show me proof that Israel will do something differently.
The proof is a close to half century old occupation. Israel couldn't even live up to a single one of its peace plan promises under the Road Map, even when Palestinians under the PA lived up to their side of the bargain. Let me know when that changes.
1967-2014: Israel gave up over 75% of its land mass. It's only a matter of time before Israel withdraws from the West Bank. It will happen. History has shown us as much.
Where has history shown as much? And saying that Israel gave up 75% of its land mass is disingenuous. The Sinai never belonged to Israel / it never had any right to it. Likewise, the entire reason why the Gaza disengagement happened was (as was publicly admited) to kill the overall peace process, specifically as it related to the West Bank. So Israel get's no cudos for that.
559  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Misconceptions of Israeli Culture on: August 05, 2014, 12:17:11 PM
The Netanyahu government doesn't believe in a two state solution under any circumstances (He's publicly said as much and it is written into the charter of the party that he heads). Trying to suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
A lot of Israeli governments say that.

It was the Likud (Netanyahu's same "right-wing party") that gave up the entire Sinai Peninsula. I have now shown you proof that even "right-wingers" make concessions. And Gaza's gone too. Now show me proof that Israel will do something differently.
The proof is a close to half century old occupation. Israel couldn't even live up to a single one of its peace plan promises under the Road Map, even when Palestinians under the PA lived up to their side of the bargain. Let me know when that changes.
560  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Misconceptions of Israeli Culture on: August 05, 2014, 11:59:10 AM
The Netanyahu government doesn't believe in a two state solution under any circumstances (He's publicly said as much and it is written into the charter of the party that he heads). Trying to suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
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