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61  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Scotland's silent majority decides against separation on: September 24, 2014, 03:27:06 PM
With Scotland re-affirming their wedding vows to their UK masters, ole' Cameron will be lifting a few kilts from the back and slipping his rod firm up the Scots for good measure.

With Catalonians and the Basques getting restless in Spain, also the wealthy Bavarians and Venetians in Germany and Italy wanting a bit of independent action, what would the likeliest states in the US be on a list of 1 to 10 for those wanting to separate from their federal US masters ?
Scotland have their own laws, their own Parliament, we even let them keep the stone of scone so it was all nonsense anyway because all they are dependant on is money from the treasury via the Barnett formula which is base on current population figures.
The stone of scone known as The Stone of Destiny or The Coronation Stone of the Kings of Tara (Ireland) was originally robbed from Ireland by one of the AWOL kings of Ireland.

It was taken across to Argyll (Scotland) by Scotland's first Irish King Fergus son of Erc in 1200 odd when many a ruling clan of Ireland would pop over to Scotland to sort things out there as the Irish had been populating Scotland for most of the last seven centuries from the 5th century, hence the familiar Gaelic language the Scots speak based on old Irish.
Scottish had  the stone for over 6 centuries in England, it was captured by king Edward I and stored in Westminster Abbey and it was used for coronations because the Kings and Queens of England were also the Kings and Queens of Scotland . They gave the stone back to the Scottish in 96' as a symbolic gesture and there was a handover ceremony before it was taken to Edinburgh Castle.
It was offered back on loan to the Scots, but will still be taken when needed for royal coronations. More so, especially now the Scots are UK bitches and whoever needs to get crowned south of the border will just holler at the scots to get the feckin stone back down.
Yes, it will be used for coronations which is like once or twice a century, but it will always be given back to the Scots. And there will will never be a gay royal or prince/princess as it's not genetic and is due to up-bringing and liberal attitudes so I don't know why you mention this?
62  Other / Off-topic / Re: EXODUS on: September 24, 2014, 02:58:50 PM
The ruling Arab minority in Egypt today  oppresses the Egyptian majority in order to stay in power.  True for Sudan as well.   It's not just about the Israelis.

The laws revealed in Exodus have what literature refers to as "having passed the test of time" for great literature.  Relevance and usefulness.  They are recognizable in our federal, state, and local codes.  They form a fundamental survival code for any civilization.  Not sure they are handed down from God so much as someone recognized that dealing with this many different people would require such laws to be generally known to reduce the inevitable conflicts getting out of hand.

How do you like God in this chapter?  All that death, all those sacrifices.  And yet, it's interesting isn't it that the best parts of the sacrificed animals are to be consumed, the rest burned to please God.  Hmn.
63  Other / Off-topic / EXODUS on: September 24, 2014, 02:54:46 PM
Author:  Moses

Date: 1420 or 1220 BC

Content:  The book of Exodus deals with the significant facts surrounding Israel's emergence as a nation.  Moses' great leadership is described as he accepted God's call to return to Egypt in order to lead God's people to freedom.  God sent the ten devastation plagues upon Egypt because the Pharoah refused to obey his command.  The ceremony of Passover was established during the last plague and became a memorial of God's deliverance for all time to Israel.  The Israelites crosed the sea and arrived at Mt. Sinai where God gave the Ten Commandments and the plan for the Taberancle, and the covenant was renewed with the nation.


Theme:  The power of God over evil is clearly shown when God defeats the enemies of his people by delivering them from bondage, but God expects that we trust and obey him in return.  Worship in the Tabernacle and adherence to the law were two aspects o Israel's obedience.

The Passover lamb is seen by the NT as a figure of Christ the Lamb of God (1 Cor. 5:7)


Outline:

1.  Israel's bondage in Egypt, 1:1 - 22

2.  The early life of Moses, 2:1 - 7:7

3.  The plagues, the Passover, and the exodus, 7:8 - 15:21

4.  The trip to Sinai and the giving of the law, 15: 22 - 24:18

5.  Instructions for the Tabernacle, 25:1 - 31:18

6.  Israel's sin and renewal, 32:1 - 35:3

7.  The building of the Tabernacle, 35:4 - 40:38
64  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Scotland's silent majority decides against separation on: September 24, 2014, 02:45:14 PM
With Scotland re-affirming their wedding vows to their UK masters, ole' Cameron will be lifting a few kilts from the back and slipping his rod firm up the Scots for good measure.

With Catalonians and the Basques getting restless in Spain, also the wealthy Bavarians and Venetians in Germany and Italy wanting a bit of independent action, what would the likeliest states in the US be on a list of 1 to 10 for those wanting to separate from their federal US masters ?
Scotland have their own laws, their own Parliament, we even let them keep the stone of scone so it was all nonsense anyway because all they are dependant on is money from the treasury via the Barnett formula which is base on current population figures.
The stone of scone known as The Stone of Destiny or The Coronation Stone of the Kings of Tara (Ireland) was originally robbed from Ireland by one of the AWOL kings of Ireland.

It was taken across to Argyll (Scotland) by Scotland's first Irish King Fergus son of Erc in 1200 odd when many a ruling clan of Ireland would pop over to Scotland to sort things out there as the Irish had been populating Scotland for most of the last seven centuries from the 5th century, hence the familiar Gaelic language the Scots speak based on old Irish.
Scottish had  the stone for over 6 centuries in England, it was captured by king Edward I and stored in Westminster Abbey and it was used for coronations because the Kings and Queens of England were also the Kings and Queens of Scotland . They gave the stone back to the Scottish in 96' as a symbolic gesture and there was a handover ceremony before it was taken to Edinburgh Castle.
65  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christian BS on: September 24, 2014, 02:28:06 PM
LOL somebody got pricked hard and starts bitching.

You people are too easy.

Is pricked your new nonsense word that you're going to keep spouting now like it actually means something? Waiting for the day you get tired of your own bullshit or at least drown in it.

Quote
Exodus 21

These are the ordinances that you shall set before them:

2 When you buy a male Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years, but in the seventh he shall go out a free person, without debt. 3If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s and he shall go out alone. 5But if the slave declares, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out a free person’, 6then his master shall bring him before God.* He shall be brought to the door or the doorpost; and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him for life.

7 When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. 8If she does not please her master, who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed; he shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt unfairly with her. 9If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. 10If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish the food, clothing, or marital rights of the first wife.* 11And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out without debt, without payment of money.  

Those fucking Christians am I right? Tongue


That is why,in the christian bible there are 2 books New Testament and Old Testament.The Old Testament describes how God made the world ,Adam and Eva and what happened to the chosen people till the day that Jesus was born.The New Testament describes the life of Jesus and the new rules that are given to the chosen people....so the Christians must respect the New Testament were is no slavery and Jesus says  to turn the other chick when some one slap your face.

Lol, what has that got to do with this? How does having two books relate to this or your point?
What Lethn  posted is from the Old Testament ,Christians this days follow the New Testament,that is what i am trying to point out, the fact that Moses use to tell you how to behave with slaves or with your own kids is in the ancient time and all the people back then had slaves or they were slaves..times changed ...for Christians ,for some Muslims the things are the same as 2000-4000 years ago.
66  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christian BS on: September 24, 2014, 01:12:09 PM
Quote
Exodus 21

These are the ordinances that you shall set before them:

2 When you buy a male Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years, but in the seventh he shall go out a free person, without debt. 3If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s and he shall go out alone. 5But if the slave declares, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out a free person’, 6then his master shall bring him before God.* He shall be brought to the door or the doorpost; and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him for life.

7 When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. 8If she does not please her master, who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed; he shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt unfairly with her. 9If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. 10If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish the food, clothing, or marital rights of the first wife.* 11And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out without debt, without payment of money.  

Those fucking Christians am I right? Tongue


That is why,in the christian bible there are 2 books New Testament and Old Testament.The Old Testament describes how God made the world ,Adam and Eva and what happened to the chosen people till the day that Jesus was born.The New Testament describes the life of Jesus and the new rules that are given to the chosen people....so the Christians must respect the New Testament were is no slavery and Jesus says  to turn the other chick when some one slap your face.
67  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Scotland's silent majority decides against separation on: September 23, 2014, 06:09:49 PM
With Scotland re-affirming their wedding vows to their UK masters, ole' Cameron will be lifting a few kilts from the back and slipping his rod firm up the Scots for good measure.

With Catalonians and the Basques getting restless in Spain, also the wealthy Bavarians and Venetians in Germany and Italy wanting a bit of independent action, what would the likeliest states in the US be on a list of 1 to 10 for those wanting to separate from their federal US masters ?
Scotland have their own laws, their own Parliament, we even let them keep the stone of scone so it was all nonsense anyway because all they are dependant on is money from the treasury via the Barnett formula which is base on current population figures.
68  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why is obama purging generals from the military? on: September 23, 2014, 06:01:19 PM
Why?  Why all those top commanders?  To weaken our strength?  To let the radical muslim world consume us?
I've read articles that have talked about how some of the cuts are due to sequestration....meeting the bottom line meets cutting those who are paid more.
69  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why is obama purging generals from the military? on: September 23, 2014, 05:55:50 PM
Taken alone, it would be easy to dismiss those stories as “coincidences”.  But when you put them together with the stories of dozens of other high ranking military officers that have been purged from the U.S. military in recent years, a very disturbing pattern emerges.
The following is a list of high ranking military officers that have been dismissed over the past few years that has been circulating all over the Internet.  I think that you will agree that this list is quite stunning…


Commanding Generals fired:

    General John R. Allen-U.S. Marines Commander International Security Assistance Force [ISAF] (Nov 2012)
    Major General Ralph Baker (2 Star)-U.S. Army Commander of the Combined Joint Task Force Horn in Africa (April 2013)
    Major General Michael Carey (2 Star)-U.S. Air Force Commander of the 20th US Air Force in charge of 9,600 people and 450 Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (Oct 2013)
    Colonel James Christmas-U.S. Marines Commander 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit & Commander Special-Purpose Marine Air-Ground Task Force Crisis Response Unit (July 2013)
    Major General Peter Fuller-U.S. Army Commander in Afghanistan (May 2011)
    Major General Charles M.M. Gurganus-U.S. Marine Corps Regional Commander of SW and I Marine Expeditionary Force in Afghanistan (Oct 2013)
    General Carter F. Ham-U.S. Army African Command (Oct 2013)
    Lieutenant General David H. Huntoon (3 Star), Jr.-U.S. Army 58th Superintendent of the US Military Academy at West Point, NY (2013)
    Command Sergeant Major Don B Jordan-U.S. Army 143rd Expeditionary Sustainment Command (suspended Oct 2013)
    General James Mattis-U.S. Marines Chief of CentCom (May 2013)
    Colonel Daren Margolin-U.S. Marine in charge of Quantico’s Security Battalion (Oct 2013)
    General Stanley McChrystal-U.S. Army Commander Afghanistan (June 2010)
    General David D. McKiernan-U.S. Army Commander Afghanistan (2009)
    General David Petraeus-Director of CIA from September 2011 to November 2012 & U.S. Army Commander International Security Assistance Force [ISAF] and Commander U.S. Forces Afghanistan [USFOR-A] (Nov 2012)
    Brigadier General Bryan Roberts-U.S. Army Commander 2nd Brigade (May 2013)
    Major General Gregg A. Sturdevant-U.S. Marine Corps Director of Strategic Planning and Policy for the U.S. Pacific Command & Commander of Aviation Wing at Camp Bastion, Afghanistan (Sept 2013)
    Colonel Eric Tilley-U.S. Army Commander of Garrison Japan (Nov 2013)
    Brigadier General Bryan Wampler-U.S. Army Commanding General of 143rd Expeditionary Sustainment Command of the 1st Theater Sustainment Command [TSC] (suspended Oct 2013)

Commanding Admirals fired:

    Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette-U.S. Navy Commander John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group Three (Oct 2012)
    Vice Admiral Tim Giardina(3 Star, demoted to 2 Star)-U.S. Navy Deputy Commander of the US Strategic Command, Commander of the Submarine Group Trident, Submarine Group 9 and Submarine Group 10 (Oct 2013)

Naval Officers fired: (All in 2011)

    Captain David Geisler-U.S. Navy Commander Task Force 53 in Bahrain (Oct 2011)
    Commander Laredo Bell-U.S. Navy Commander Naval Support Activity Saratoga Springs, NY (Aug 2011)
    Lieutenant Commander Kurt Boenisch-Executive Officer amphibious transport dock Ponce (Apr 2011)
    Commander Nathan Borchers-U.S. Navy Commander destroyer Stout (Mar 2011)
    Commander Robert Brown-U.S. Navy Commander Beachmaster Unit 2 Fort Story, VA (Aug 2011)
    Commander Andrew Crowe-Executive Officer Navy Region Center Singapore (Apr 2011)
    Captain Robert Gamberg-Executive Officer carrier Dwight D. Eisenhower (Jun 2011)
    Captain Rex Guinn-U.S. Navy Commander Navy Legal Service office Japan (Feb 2011)
    Commander Kevin Harms- U.S. Navy Commander Strike Fighter Squadron 137 aboard the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln (Mar 2011)
    Lieutenant Commander Martin Holguin-U.S. Navy Commander mine countermeasures Fearless (Oct 2011)
    Captain Owen Honors-U.S. Navy Commander aircraft carrier USS Enterprise (Jan 2011)
    Captain Donald Hornbeck-U.S. Navy Commander Destroyer Squadron 1 San Diego (Apr 2011)
    Rear Admiral Ron Horton-U.S. Navy Commander Logistics Group, Western Pacific (Mar 2011)
    Commander Etta Jones-U.S. Navy Commander amphibious transport dock Ponce (Apr 2011)
    Commander Ralph Jones-Executive Officer amphibious transport dock Green Bay (Jul 2011)
    Commander Jonathan Jackson-U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 134, deployed aboard carrier Carl Vinson (Dec 2011)
    Captain Eric Merrill-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Emory S. Land (Jul 2011)
    Captain William Mosk-U.S. Navy Commander Naval Station Rota, U.S. Navy Commander Naval Activities Spain (Apr 2011)
    Commander Timothy Murphy-U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 129 at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island, WA (Apr 2011)
    Commander Joseph Nosse-U.S. Navy Commander ballistic-missile submarine Kentucky (Oct 2011)
    Commander Mark Olson-U.S. Navy Commander destroyer The Sullivans FL (Sep 2011)
    Commander John Pethel-Executive Officer amphibious transport dock New York (Dec 2011)
    Commander Karl Pugh-U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 141 Whidbey Island, WA (Jul 2011)
    Commander Jason Strength-U.S. Navy Commander of Navy Recruiting District Nashville, TN (Jul 2011)
    Captain Greg Thomas-U.S. Navy Commander Norfolk Naval Shipyard (May 2011)
    Commander Mike Varney-U.S. Navy Commander attack submarine Connecticut (Jun 2011)
    Commander Jay Wylie-U.S. Navy Commander destroyer Momsen (Apr 2011)

Naval Officers fired: (All in 2012):

    Commander Alan C. Aber-Executive Officer Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadron 71 (July 2012)
    Commander Derick Armstrong- U.S. Navy Commander missile destroyer USS The Sullivans (May 2012)
    Commander Martin Arriola- U.S. Navy Commander destroyer USS Porter (Aug 2012)
    Captain Antonio Cardoso- U.S. Navy Commander Training Support Center San Diego (Sep 2012)
    Captain James CoBell- U.S. Navy Commander Oceana Naval Air Station’s Fleet Readiness Center Mid-Atlantic (Sep 2012)
    Captain Joseph E. Darlak- U.S. Navy Commander frigate USS Vandegrift (Nov 2012)
    Captain Daniel Dusek-U.S. Navy Commander USS Bonhomme
    Commander David Faught-Executive Officer destroyer Chung-Hoon (Sep 2012)
    Commander Franklin Fernandez- U.S. Navy Commander Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 24 (Aug 2012)
    Commander Ray Hartman- U.S. Navy Commander Amphibious dock-landing ship Fort McHenry (Nov 2012)
    Commander Shelly Hakspiel-Executive Officer Navy Drug Screening Lab San Diego (May 2012)
    Commander Jon Haydel- U.S. Navy Commander USS San Diego (Mar 2012)
    Commander Diego Hernandez- U.S. Navy Commander ballistic-missile submarine USS Wyoming (Feb 2012)
    Commander Lee Hoey- U.S. Navy Commander Drug Screening Laboratory, San Diego (May 2012)
    Commander Ivan Jimenez-Executive Officer frigate Vandegrift (Nov 2012)
    Commander Dennis Klein- U.S. Navy Commander submarine USS Columbia (May 2012)
    Captain Chuck Litchfield- U.S. Navy Commander assault ship USS Essex (Jun 2012)
    Captain Marcia Kim Lyons- U.S. Navy Commander Naval Health Clinic New England (Apr 2012)
    Captain Robert Marin- U.S. Navy Commander cruiser USS Cowpens (Feb 2012)
    Captain Sean McDonell- U.S. Navy Commander Seabee reserve unit Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 14 FL (Nov 2012)
    Commander Corrine Parker- U.S. Navy Commander Fleet Logistics Support Squadron 1 (Apr 2012)
    Captain Liza Raimondo- U.S. Navy Commander Naval Health Clinic Patuxent River, MD (Jun 2012)
    Captain Jeffrey Riedel- Program manager, Littoral Combat Ship program (Jan 2012)
    Commander Sara Santoski- U.S. Navy Commander Helicopter Mine Countermeasures Squadron 15 (Sep 2012)
    Commander Kyle G. Strudthoff-Executive Officer Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 25 (Sep 2012)
    Commander Sheryl Tannahill- U.S. Navy Commander Navy Operational Support Center [NOSC] Nashville, TN (Sep 2012)
    Commander Michael Ward- U.S. Navy Commander submarine USS Pittsburgh (Aug 2012)
    Captain Michael Wiegand- U.S. Navy Commander Southwest Regional Maintenance Center (Nov 2012)
    Captain Ted Williams- U.S. Navy Commander amphibious command ship Mount Whitney (Nov 2012)
    Commander Jeffrey Wissel- U.S. Navy Commander of Fleet Air Reconnaissance Squadron 1 (Feb 2012)

Naval Officers fired: (All in 2013):

    Lieutenant Commander Lauren Allen-Executive Officer submarine Jacksonville (Feb 2013)
    Reserve Captain Jay Bowman-U.S. Navy Commander Navy Operational Support Center [NOSC] Fort Dix, NJ (Mar 2013)
    Captain William Cogar-U.S. Navy Commander hospital ship Mercy’s medical treatment facility (Sept 2013)
    Commander Steve Fuller-Executive Officer frigate Kauffman (Mar 2013)
    Captain Shawn Hendricks-Program Manager for naval enterprise IT networks (June 2013)
    Captain David Hunter-U.S. Navy Commander of Maritime Expeditionary Security Squadron 12 & Coastal Riverine Group 2 (Feb 2013)
    Captain Eric Johnson-U.S. Navy Chief of Military Entrance Processing Command at Great Lakes Naval Training Center, IL (2013)
    Captain Devon Jones-U.S. Navy Commander Naval Air Facility El Centro, CA (July 2013)
    Captain Kevin Knoop-U.S. Navy Commander hospital ship Comfort’s medical treatment facility (Aug 2013)
    Lieutenant Commander Jack O’Neill-U.S. Navy Commander Operational Support Center Rock Island, IL (Mar 2013)
    Commander Allen Maestas-Executive Officer Beachmaster Unit 1 (May 2013)
    Commander Luis Molina-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Pasadena (Jan 2013)
    Commander James Pickens-Executive Officer frigate Gary (Feb 2013)
    Lieutenant Commander Mark Rice-U.S. Navy Commander Mine Countermeasures ship Guardian (Apr 2013)
    Commander Michael Runkle-U.S. Navy Commander of Mobile Diving and Salvage Unit 2 (May 2013)
    Commander Jason Stapleton-Executive Office Patrol Squadron 4 in Hawaii (Mar 2013)
    Commander Nathan Sukols-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Jacksonville (Feb 2013)
    Lieutenant Daniel Tyler-Executive Officer Mine Countermeasures ship Guardian (Apr 2013)
    Commander Edward White-U.S. Navy Commander Strike Fighter Squadron 106 (Aug 2013)
    Captain Jeffrey Winter-U.S. Navy Commander of Carrier Air Wing 17 (Sept 2013)
    Commander Thomas Winter-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Montpelier (Jan 2013)
    Commander Corey Wofford- U.S. Navy Commander frigate Kauffman (Feb 2013)
70  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ISIS drives thousands of Syrians across border to Turkey on: September 23, 2014, 05:42:07 PM
I wonder how the Turks in general will react to this US created chaos. Turkey allows NATO to base missile launchers on its territory at present.This massive influx of Kurd refugees will only acerbate Turkey's trained relations with the Kurds..Which has never been amicable nor friendly from what I've read.
Yet another regime change causing tens of thousands to flee from harm's way. so very sad.
71  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Japan announces plans to have a space elevator on: September 23, 2014, 05:36:53 PM
The thing about a space elevator is that to make it even work at all there'd have to be gravitational equilibrium in the structure, there would barely be any load on the foundation of the structure, therefore you could build in crazy countermeasures against earthquakes and the like.
72  Other / Off-topic / Re: IT Crew question on: September 23, 2014, 05:32:09 PM
I started at help desk, then started doing sysadmin stuff. Then took a paycut to do a network admin role in a small company with a decent budget that allowed me to gain exposure in network/servers/storage. After a year I left . I think most people start off in help desk
73  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 3 Afghan troops disappear from Cape Cod base on: September 23, 2014, 05:28:55 PM
We bring over many,many nationalities to train them for military operations and equipment.  Over the years many of the trainees get a look at the US and want to stay, so they go missing. We have thousands here from many decades past.  These three guys were officers, the lowest rank a Captain. The only thing they probably plan on doing is signing up at a college for a free education.   I would worry about the 40 terrorist from ISIS that are throughout the country now. FBI has them "under observation" which does not give me any comfort.  
74  Other / Off-topic / Re: Purgatory on: September 23, 2014, 05:11:20 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Purgatory

 Actually, the concept of Purgatory dates back even before Christ.  Praying for the dead and their afterlife purification is found in history of Jews. 

"The descriptions and doctrine regarding purgatory developed over the centuries.[2] Advocates of belief in purgatory interpret Bible passages such as 2 Maccabees 12:41-46 (not accepted as Scripture by Protestants but recognized by Orthodox and Catholics), 2 Timothy 1:18, Matthew 12:32, Luke 16:19-26 and 23:43, 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 and Hebrews 12:29 as support for prayer for the dead, an active interim state for the dead prior to the resurrection, and purifying flames after death.[2] "


Medievalist Jacques Le Goff defines the "birth of purgatory", i.e. the conception of purgatory as a physical place, rather than merely as a state, as occurring between 1170 and 1200.[38] Le Goff acknowledged that the notion of purification after death, without the medieval notion of a physical place, existed in antiquity, arguing specifically that Clement of Alexandria, and his pupil Origen of Alexandria, derived their view from a combination of biblical teachings, though he considered vague concepts of purifying and punishing fire to predate Christianity.[39] Le Goff also considered Peter the Lombard (d. 1160), in expounding on the teachings of St. Augustine and Gregory the "Great, to have contributed significantly to the birth of purgatory in the sense of a physical place.

While the idea of purgatory as a process of cleansing thus dated back to early Christianity, the 12th century was the heyday of medieval otherworld-journey narratives such as the Irish Visio Tnugdali, and of pilgrims' tales about St. Patrick's Purgatory, a cavelike entrance to purgatory on a remote island in Ireland.[40] The legend of St Patrick's Purgatory (Tractatus de Purgatorio Sancti Patricii) written in that century by Hugh of Saltry, also known as Henry of Sawtry, was "part of a huge, repetitive contemporary genre of literature of which the most familiar today is Dante's";[41] another is the Visio Tnugdali. Other legends localized the entrance to Purgatory in places such as a cave on the volcanic Mount Etna in Sicily.[42] Thus the idea of purgatory as a physical place became widespread on a popular level, and was defended also by some theologians.
So who is correct?  Everyone?  Do you lilke the other parts of the Old testament as well?  If so, when can we get together and stone my neighbor for shaving his beard?
The Old Testament is included also in this - but, as with anything, who is the audience that a particular section is written to?

For example, as a rough illustration, the US constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation.  It is essentially a new testament with the states, that included some elements from before, added some others, excluded some others.  (As an aside, that too can get replaced one day).
75  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 8 Dead in Attack on Ebola Team in Guinea 'Killed in Cold Blood' on: September 19, 2014, 05:44:23 PM
Our military is for national security.  How is it not prudent to prevent ebola coming over the border or even innocently by air travel by eradicating it at the source?  Using 3000 troops in Africa is not going to prevent or take away troops from guarding the southern border if there was a even a will to do so...that is a separate issue.

Furthermore we pay a sizable chunk of the who so it only makes sense to not let this escalate.   Epidemics like this are actually a good reason for nations to come together for mutual aid.  
76  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 8 Dead in Attack on Ebola Team in Guinea 'Killed in Cold Blood' on: September 19, 2014, 05:22:58 PM
The fact is that Ebola, by comparation, has not killed as many Africans as other factors during the same time period.  But the fact is that Ebola is still spreading and without proper containment current predictions are for exponential growth.   It is much less likely to do that here and it does not require the level of panic of airborne transmission, but that doesn't mean it can't come here or mutate.


I'm sorry, but I don't understand why it is not reasonable to both try to stop the spread and also not freak the hell out.   
77  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 8 Dead in Attack on Ebola Team in Guinea 'Killed in Cold Blood' on: September 19, 2014, 05:08:49 PM
I seriously do not understand why you wouldn't see a story like this only supports the need to send troops.  Do you not understand that if this is not contained, it is going to spread?  Potentially here?  There simply isn't time to "win hearts and minds" with a soft approach...Obviously as this story affirms..... so forced containment is the only option.
I believe that is what some of us have said from the beginning.  That also includes stopping people, even American citizens, from coming to the US from these African countries.  But, nobody wants to do that, so don't talk to me about containment when that is the first thing that should be done.  We've had people right here on this forum that have insisted this isn't a threat to the US...that it can be contained.  Which is it???
If you have supported us sending troops to help with containment from the beginning, then why do you appear to be opposing it now?   And yes, I agree that some on this forum have taken the opposite position of being far too dismissive as well. 

Here's a thought...how about not going to either extreme?
78  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Greatest Emperor of Human History on: September 19, 2014, 04:50:33 PM
The man brought down the greatest empire the world had seen, seemingly without difficulty and within a matter of just a couple of years, conquered most of the known world while fighting far from home, never lost a battle, led from the front, was tutored by Aristotle and maintained his passion for philosophy throughout his life, spread Greek culture across the globe … you get the idea.  Oh, and he did all of this before the age of 33.  Perhaps the clincher, however, is this: Julius Caesar weeped when he considered Alexander’s accomplishments.
79  Other / Off-topic / Re: What generally characterizes an atheist? on: September 19, 2014, 04:42:28 PM
Religionists might want to work on being tolerant of atheists, because they are not.  Think they ever will?

This is not a God question.  This is a live and let live problem.  You do your thang, I'll do mine.

To whom it may concern: 

I won't intrude on you, burn your bible or Quran, or Torah, or any other 'holy' book, censor your speech, dictate your speech (like make you say a public pledge declaring you live under my sky fairies) take down your icons, dictate the terms of your healthcare, whether you are male or female, straight or gay or anything between;  dictate the percentage of your wealth you must give to charity according to my doctrine (assuming I have one), attempt to force you to obey govt laws based on my convictions or the convictions of my homeboys, or literally kill you if you don't agree with my ideas about the universe, or rhetorically condemn you to virtual eternal torture if you refuse to accept my way of seeing things.  I won't do any of those things; that is my pledge to you. 

One small exception:  I do not pledge that I will refrain from arguing and disagreement with your beliefs if I find them absurd.  It's a nuanced exception, but an exception nevertheless....disagreement is neither fear, hostility, or intolerance.  It is just disagreement. 

Would you fervent believers, you religionists make the same pledge?     
80  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Scotland's silent majority decides against separation on: September 19, 2014, 04:12:40 PM
History seems to have a way of repeating itself. This is eerily reminiscent of the Revolutions that took place across Europe in 1848 which all eventually failed without exception. Then again, I don't think that too many people here know what I'm posting about.
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