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781  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New coin (SNC) on: February 14, 2013, 11:25:32 PM
Too late, because btc-e decided to destroy this coins. Cheesy

Really? But even if btc-e delists nvc I think only you can 'destroy' it, sort of, but just like all other dead altcoins, someone might decide to pick up where you have left and suddenly it's back to life.

If by 'destroy' you mean market cap drops like a stone that's very likely though.
782  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NovaCoin prerelease premine and other issues on: February 14, 2013, 10:21:21 PM
Sunny King, you accept this rival of PPC ?

I can only interpret that by choosing to fork from ppcoin Balthazar thinks the design has merits. Other than that I have no relation to novacoin and its developers, nor did they ever communicate with me about the project privately.

While I am also critical of the release management of novacoin, but if Balthazar can sustain the project and not intend to scam people then I do welcome new competition. When ppcoin was released I said it had 'same license term as Bitcoin to help advancing cryptocurrency technology', yeah even though novacoin hasn't really invented anything new but still I don't mind anybody forking ppcoin project and do whatever they want. Yes forks from ppcoin are preferred over forks of bitcoin to me Wink Although please don't take my position as if I approve of these forks and always be aware of the risks involved.
783  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BTC-E should support a wider variety of Alt-Coins: TRC, PPC, FRC on: February 14, 2013, 04:47:07 PM
Okay, fair enough.

In TRC's defence though, it was started on the 26th of October, but the time of the 100th block was reached, it was the 31st of October which is when I started mining, and it appeared on the forums. That means there was a 'premine' of sorts of 100 blocks, but as the block reward is only 20TRC, that means only 2000 coins were mined between the time of the genesis block and it's appearance on the forums when people in general started mining. Considering there are now over 1 million coins mined, I think you could agree that a 2000 coin 'premine' does not give anyone an unfair advantage. One can still mine many hundreds of coins per day easily with 3 6950 GPUs.


Are you sure your stats are correct? TRC is supposed to have block every 2 minutes, and very fast adjustment (30 block difficulty adjustment), so I would think there should be more like ~3000 blocks in a 4~5 day period?
784  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NovaCoin prerelease premine and other issues on: February 14, 2013, 04:39:08 PM
I added an option to 'getblock' in ppcoin to dump details about transactions in it.
Code:
novacoind getblock <blockhash> true
Combine this with 'getblockhash' and a few lines of scripts shoud get you all transaction info, some more filter should be able to get you all the large transfers.
785  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BTC-E should support a wider variety of Alt-Coins: TRC, PPC, FRC on: February 14, 2013, 04:04:39 PM

TRC, PPC, and FRC all have block explorers, mining pools, active dev's, strong support for betting sites, no premine, an active mining community, and vibrant communities. Each are experimenting with their own individual characteristics.


TRC release was not announced I think that constitutes a premine. FRC was only announced on their own forum, also with 80% tax for the foundation. So I cannot agree with your statement here.
786  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NovaCoin prerelease premine and other issues on: February 14, 2013, 12:39:34 AM
Difficulty started at 0.00024414 at block 1.
I would have started difficulty between 0.2 ~ 1.0 for scrypt.
Still ppcoin's continuous adjustment worked beautifully for novacoin now it's at difficulty >8, more than 4 orders of magnitude than the starting difficulty.
It uses ^ (1/6), to cut off reward slower, because of lower upper limit of reward. Because ^ (1/4) would be a little unfair in the case of 0.00024414 startup difficulty, I think.

Yes, I am aware of that. Although the release could certainly be managed much better and be fairer to all interested users. But I am not going to repeat all the criticisms voiced by the community here, as I am sure you are already under enough fires.

From my point of view I actually appreciate the work you have done to provide another avenue for the ppcoin design to compete against say litecoin, currently still in a dominating market position among all altcoins. By forking from ppcoin I assume that you actually do appreciate the design and see its value. Now that you have a good stake in novacoin I hope that you would be sincere in maintaining the project for the long haul, and possibly joining the discussion of developing ppcoin project further.
787  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Greedi and Coblee and Litecoin on: February 13, 2013, 11:30:59 PM
Thanks to Someguy123 backing up the database, it doesn't have to be started from scratch. He just imported the db to his server and I pointed forum.litecoin.net to his server. Most people wouldn't even have noticed the backend change.

Quite impressed with this feat, you surely got some good hands helping you there  Wink
788  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NovaCoin prerelease premine and other issues on: February 13, 2013, 08:03:38 PM
Difficulty started at 0.00024414 at block 1.
I would have started difficulty between 0.2 ~ 1.0 for scrypt.
Still ppcoin's continuous adjustment worked beautifully for novacoin now it's at difficulty >8, more than 4 orders of magnitude than the starting difficulty.
789  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Community Input Please - new Alt Crypto on: February 12, 2013, 07:56:16 AM
Thinking crazy here:

Is it possible to use the IP packets for "mining"? The more the aux chain is downloaded (generating IP packets), the more "mining" occur on that aux chain, generating FileCoin for that file provider.

If you can do that that would be a whole new different kind of 'proof-of-work'. However so far no one has come up with a proof scheme using other resource types.
790  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PPC] PPCoin Released! - First Long-Term Energy-Efficient Crypto-Currency on: February 12, 2013, 07:08:27 AM
The above change proposed by dreamwatcher is currently under review.

It appears to me that the base58 version of wallet private key is only used with dumpprivkey and importprivkey. However if anyone is aware of potential other uses that might cause compatibility issues with existing block chain/wallet please voice your opinion. I assume that there is no one using non-regular transaction types right now. I am also not aware of any transaction type that may involve base58 version of private keys.

At this point I am in favor of accepting a version of this proposal into v0.3, which means previously dumped keys via dumpprivkey would need to be dumped again once upgraded to v0.3, in terms of compatibility impact.

Any comments and concerns are very welcome.
791  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What's wrong with PPCoin's difficulty algorithm? on: February 12, 2013, 06:48:35 AM
Looking at your chart my guess is that you just feed an array of actual block spacing to the calculation of block difficulty. If this is not what you did then you can disregard this post.

If you did that say keep feeding a 9-minute actual spacing into the difficulty calculation, yeah I could imagine your result in the chart. However that's not the correct way of simulating things. With a different difficulty adjustment algorithm, you wont get the same actual spacing series. This is because unlike bitcoin's 2-week adjustment, ppcoin's adjustment is every block. You would quickly raise the difficulty and then given the same network hashrate, you would see a completely different series of actual block spacing. If you still doubt it, you can try devcoin's adjustment as well I bet it's gonna look the same as ppcoin's on your chart.

I hope this would clear some misunderstandings here.
792  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What's wrong with PPCoin? on: February 12, 2013, 05:03:43 AM
I wonder if Sunny King will talk to me about this without DDoSing me off the internet for 3 days? Like he did the last time?

Can you not throw baseless accusations around? What do you mean that I 'DDoSing you off the internet'? Why do I even do that assuming even if I have such capability? I genuinely view all altcoin developers as all part of a big team and I truly hope all can be friends of each other and help each other.

The above is the code I used to get PPCoin difficulty on the Bitcoin blockchain. To reduce the amount of data I only printed it to the debug file once every 72 blocks and plotted the result with GNU Octave.

As you can see, your equation
Quote
hash rate = difficulty * (2**32) / spacing target
is quite wrong. PPcoin uses the interblock spacing, not the hash rate, to determine its difficulty. In fact, its pretty impossible to know the exact hash rate of a cryptocurrency. Why would you think your own coin uses hash rate in the calculation?

Please do describe details the process you derive the chart. The equation I gave is the way to estimate network hash rate, I never said you could get exact hash rate of the network, it's an approximation.

The difficulty adjustment is not complicated but based on a very easy to understand moving average. And it has been observed to produce difficulty matching the formula above. If you set spacing target to a fixed 600 second (the same as bitcoin), then it should generally match the bitcoin curve only a bit smoother. Please do describe how you derive your chart in more detail so we can look at what might have gone wrong.
793  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NovaCoin - Balthazar's PPC scrypt fork on: February 11, 2013, 11:21:35 PM

There are only one "problem" - difficulty is high and growing.

I believe it is the only problem for You . I have great ISP, I'm close to Russia, i have a lot of hashpower.
impossible to mine.
 even 20 hours ago, with lower diff and 9 connections, i was finding blocks one by one, but all rejected for no reason, not stales.

I have no idea why only in russia blocks are not rejected.


Looks like it either has problem with cgminer, or it has problem with getwork for solo mining. Blocks are being rejected due to wrong hash submitted via getwork. Balthazar, are you sure that getwork is properly supported? Have you tested with cgminer?
794  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NovaCoin - balthazar's PPC scrypt fork on: February 11, 2013, 10:23:18 PM
Hey smoothie, are you going to recruit Luke to 51% this latest PutinCoin?

It's protected with automatic checkpoints same as ppcoin.
795  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NovaCoin - balthazar's PPC scrypt fork on: February 11, 2013, 08:43:36 PM

Yep, I deserved that, I just let my concern over the sourceless (last I read) RUcoin get the best of me. I just wanted people to be careful about what they install, especially in the realm of cryptocurrencies.


You are of no fault, it's always prudent to remind others to double-check  Wink
796  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NovaCoin - balthazar's PPC scrypt fork on: February 11, 2013, 07:32:24 PM
Source code is presumably here:
https://github.com/CryptoManiac/novacoin

So we have another coin where the source code is not readily available.

Are people really downloading and installing these daemons blindly? Anybody installing these "mystery" coins ever hear the term "Trojan Horse"?

The only files available on the source forge site are compiled installers.

If somebody could point us to the source code, perhaps the coin could be taken more seriously.

No, I am not going to run the installer to get the source code, as with the other legitimate coins, the source should be readily available.

797  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Community Input Please - new Alt Crypto on: February 11, 2013, 07:25:08 PM
Files do not need to be in an 'aux chain'. That would complicate things unnecessarily. Gavin once pointed me to his proposal for bitcoin metadata here:
https://gist.github.com/gavinandresen/4073937

Maybe you can do something similar and just drop file (chunks) to a subdirectory in the wallet. The tough job is to balance the storage/availability but as it is a coin so it has the advantage over traditional file sharing networks in that you can hopefully leverage the economics to do the dirty work. My recommendation is that you allow each user to set upload/download fees for his storage, and each node to keep some availability/bandwidth metrics for peers. Then when you search for a file to download you can set a max price and client negotiates the best peers for you. Keeping the download/payment atomic is likely very challenging. Overall I think it's quite an ambitious but interesting project.
798  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NovaCoin - balthazar's PPC scrypt fork on: February 11, 2013, 06:58:26 PM
Well congratulations to the first running ppcoin fork Wink Okay I am a bit surprised but happy Cheesy I think forks are endorsements of the value of our work and I don't mind more competition Grin
799  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [PPC] Bounty Project Discussion on: February 11, 2013, 06:08:27 PM
Sunny, can you keep track of the bounties in the op?

Andy

Sure, I will compile the list the projects and status as new proposals coming in and projects complete.
800  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [PPC] PPCoin Weekly Updates on: February 11, 2013, 08:42:06 AM
Weekly Update #25

  • Testing of 0.3 release continues on testnet. System has stabilized and no significant issues have been found this week.
  • Windows Qt build testing is successful this week, and works have been done so it is now confirmed that Qt begins support in 0.3 release.
  • Current plan is to have a final week of testing. Barring further issues, v0.3 will be released afterwards.

Have fun!
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