Put five of them in a man in under 3 seconds, and he is as likely to drop as with a 45 to the gut.  Might even still cost less.  In the past, I've thought about the idea of a PDW that uses three 22lr barrels arranged in an equalateral triangle, wherein each of the three fires one round simulaniously.  I imagine, though I can't know because I've never actually tried it, the perfect shot group pattern of impact would create a prettly large trauma zone.  I can't know if the ATF would consider it a machine gun or not.

Yeah, that's it.

I'm old, just accept it.

Even in a pro-gun US state, with "stand your ground" laws in effect, there are always legal consequences with any shooting, and if you shot your pickpocket in the back you're going to prison.  That's one of the classic examples that the state instructors teach is almost never a justifiable use of lethal force, and even a 22lr is lethal force.  The reason is that you can only respond to threat of force with force, and only for so long as that credible threat exists (or a jury of your peers can be convinced that a reasonable person would fear the threat under the same circumstances).  This is why Travon Martin is facing felony charges in Florida, because that ongoing threat is under question.  If you shoot the guy in the back, it all but implies that he was running away, thus no further threat exists.



And that is why "castle doctrine" laws exist in the US.  If someone breaks into your home, or otherwise forces their way in, the law assumes that they were there with criminal intent.  Particularly after dark and if you don't know the guy.  If they were just drunk and mistook your house for theirs, that's a shame but breaking & entering is, itself, a crime; alcohol kills addicts eventually.

Well, a quick google search reveals that not only is my memory a bit off on this topic, there is a bit of disagreement as to that point anyway.

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco%E2%80%93United_States_relations) Moroocco officially recognised the US on Dec 20th 1777.  However the Wikipedia page on the Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands-US_relations) states this little tidbit...

"The Netherlands was the first foreign country to salute the American Flag on November 16 1776[1] and therefore the first foreign nation to (unofficially) recognise the United States as an independent nation. On 19 April 1782 John Adams was received by the States General in The Hague and recognized as Minister Plenipotentiary of the United States of America. The house that Adams purchased in The Hague became the first American embassy in the world."

So I was wrong.  There, I said it.

Because Bitcoin Wallet for Android keeps the blockchain local to the phone, and needs to catch up to the rest of the network on it's own.  This is the primary reason that I've switched to BitcoinSpinner, which uses a divided wallet method & keeps the blockchain on the BitconSpinner server instead.

It does if I'm willing to cut off your fingers one at a time until you give me your brainwallet seed.

On a loosely related note....

1) The Swiss were the first soverign nation to recognize the independent United States,

2) the first nation to loan us money and...

3) the inspiration for the US constitution's 2nd amendment & general 'militia' defense mindset prior to 1880.

Also the foundation story of the Swiss (Will Penn?) is one of the first lessons my children have learned about in their homeschool curriculum (www.sonlight.com).  In fact, that story is taught to kindergarten ages and before the story of the US itself.

What made a Swiss born move to Spain?  Work?

I'm positive.

Wow, I'm continually amazed at the economic ignorance of some forum members.  While it's a bit of a distortion to blame all of the economic woes of our modern world on inflationary monetary policies, inflation in general solves only one problem.  That one problem is the access to liquidity of those who have the the legal authority to create new funds and the people and industries that are most closely connected to that entity.  In the modern case of the US; those entities include the Federal Reserve & member banks, the federal government, & any major corporation or lobbying group with close ties to said government.  That does not, ever, include middle class American households. 

And any economic advantage that inflation may hold for a particular nation's trade policy is 1) always a temporary effect that lasts only as long as it takes for the international community to adjust to the changes in relative value and 2) only applies if no one else is also debasing their currency at the same time, which is clearly not the case in our modern world.

Also, bear in mind that nations don't actually trade, people do.  So any advantage in trade imbalances due to one-sided inflationary policies benefit a corporation on one side of that international trade, not even a government and never a population.

That's not technically true.  If a thug knows who has access to the wallet.dat, all that is required is a little uninterrupted time with an Alabama lie detector.  The trick is that, since they are not a physical object, they need not exist in any particular place (i.e. a safe) that can be compromised.

I'm most likely to be holding a Marlin 22lr, and considering that I have in my possesion thousands of rounds for the thing (as compared to merely hundreds for my Mosin-Nagant), I think that it's a fine choice for two legged game in an urban combat zone.

I'm not the only one, either....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdr14xVetXM

Where do you live?

EDIT:  Ah, nevermind.  I can see from your profile that you live in the Peoples' Republic of Spain.  Ironicly, some of the best shotguns available are manufactured in Spain.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/spanish_shotguns.htm


EDIT2:  The US federal government has long had a program for encouraging marksmenship skills in the civilian population (yes, that includes all of the "liberal" administrations, despite some recent anti-gun propoganda to end the program) called the Civilian Marksmanship Program.  http://www.odcmp.com/

The Appleseed program is one that primarily uses 22lr rifles, while most of the others use airsoft rifles.  The point of the CMP is to instil high levels of skill into young adults, should the draft ever be reinstated due to another world war level event.  The CMP is also the only federal program authorised by law to sell military surplus rifles to the public, so I can now go buy a M1 Garand, a WWII surplus rifle worth at least $1200 if you can buy it at all.  One of the instructors had one there to show off, and it's beautiful.  I've literally never seen one before in person, that wasn't behind glass at the Frazier Military History Museum  (http://www.fraziermuseum.org/)

Well, my wife & I bought her a 22LR rifle for her 9th birthday, and both my wife and my daughter have repeatedly pointed out how she has never actually fired her own rifle.  (Turns out, her rifle may have been defective from the factory, she had to borrow one at Appleseed.  I used her brother's, which can fire a sub MOA with CCI ammo; just not by me)  The problem is that we live in a city, and the only choices we have are to go out to Grammy's farm or to a pay for membership gun range.  Grammy's farm is a bit of a trek, (and not particularly welcome, see below) while Appleseed is held at that very gun range and the range fees are lower for the Appleseed event than if I just took her out myself.  And as they proved this weekend, they are much better at teaching children than I am.  Undoutedly, she had more fun in a group of other children than she would have training with me alone.  She's a social butterfly anyway.

Ironicly, I grew up in a liberal (read anti-gun & anti-military) household.  I joined the USMC at 18, which pissed off my parents.  I took great joy in buying my kids their own firearms, which again royally pissed off their grandparents.  The look of shock on my mother's face when my daughter opened that present was precious.  I have long had a policy against toy guns in my home.  My parents, incorrectly, took that to mean that I shared their value systems; whereas I just didn't want to associate a realisticly looking toy with playing.  I wanted them to treat anything that looked like a weapon as if it really was one, even if they knew better.  I required this of them even while they were at my sister's house, where their cousins had toy guns but there were no firearms in the household.  My parents were unaware that I had long had firearms of my own.  I gave the present to my daughter, then stepped back with the camera to take a photo of my mother's face, not my daughter's.  Once opening it, my mom said something like, "What happened to the no toy guns rule?  Wait, IS THAT A REAL GUN!?"  *click*  "Why, yes, Mom; it is! I felt that she might have been getting a little old for toys."  Both my wife & I were laughing out loud at this point, and my parents understood that we set it up (partially) to mock them.

My own mother wouldn't even talk to me for several weeks.  It's still funny, though.

I want her to learn firearms safety, learning to shoot well is just fun.

I took my son there last year, and he was only 8.

Among those choices, the M1-Garand is certainly the best singular military rifle, but for the price nothing beats the Mosin-Nagant.

I took my daughter to an Appleseed this past weekend.  Between the two of us, we fired off over 1100 rounds.  She's a better shot than I am; probably because it's hard to break bad habits from years of trying to teach myself.  She's 12, and this is her first formal training in marksmanship.  In the beginning, she wasn't putting anything on a poster sized target; but by the end she was scoring in the 170's on the "Quick & Dirty" 25 meter Army Qualification Test.  The best score I've ever got was 15 or so years ago in the USMC somewhere between 180 and 190.

I'm exausted and she's ready to do it again.

Good times, though.

I already had phosphates in my clothes detergent.  Did you want the remainder of the batch?

Time for me to finally learn another language, and check that one off my bucket list.

And no, I don't consider high school French 'learning'.

They generally are, but you still have to request a whitelisting.  It's not automatic.  The 5 post & 4hours rules exist so that we might have a chance to catch bots.  You can start any thread you like in the newbie section, though.  Ask anything you like, and we will still answer it.  If it becomes a major thread, we can move it to it's proper topic section at a later point.

Even the Third Reich didn't intend to destroy themselves.