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2101  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Another one for the "anarchists" on: November 03, 2012, 06:20:56 PM
Ignores Nazi Germany and Rwanda - people generally will seek stability, but faced with extreme circumstances they will happily commit genocide.
I suspect it's something to do with chaos mathematics. A feedback system going into chaotic bifurcation.
You'd need to see the space of all possible worlds - perhaps we could learn something from the point at which it breaks.

I'll note here, that in both those cases, those extreme circumstances were, in large part, due to their governments being captured by homicidal sociopaths.

Every government is run by sociopaths, it's what they are good at.  Fortunately it's fairly rare that intelligent sociopaths are also homicidal.  This is, notablely, an argument for the abolution or severe limitations of governments; since it's impossible for a homicidal sociopath to take the reigns of power in a nation that doesn't have any reigns.  Seriously, when have you ever heard of some Swiss general attempting a coup with the Swiss Army?
2102  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: About a year ago.... on: November 03, 2012, 06:04:26 PM
....due to Atlas procreating?

Pictures or it didn't happen.  I'm not sure I'd believe it with pictures.
2103  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: About a year ago.... on: November 03, 2012, 06:03:08 PM
...or would ever be, more than 10K people


Someone actually thought that?

Yes, we had a great many hecklers on this forum in the first year at least.  Some are still around, I think.
2104  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: bitinstant paycard on: November 03, 2012, 05:14:14 PM
If this turns out to be vaporware, then color me disappoint. I'll probably head over to the speculation board and post a bunch of bear threads with excessive amounts of caps lock.

lol it's not vaporware, but after me leaking and starting this whole fiasco, Mastercard, my banks, and lawyers begged me to not say a word about this until launch.

For once, I will listen  Grin

Stay tuned...

I've been tuned in for some time, as I intend to have one of the first 100 in the world.  Roughly eight weeks ago the timeline for release was late October, so can you at least let us know if things are on track, or are there more delays?
2105  Other / Off-topic / Re: Posts about Bitcoin deleted and got the tag of a crazy person! on: November 03, 2012, 05:10:40 PM
... "I have not read the forbidden book but I already know that it is full of wrong shit!"

That's exactly what I got. They had no idea on what or how Bitcoin works yet they already knew it was a scam and it couldn't work.
Most of general population are mild retards that cannot even understand differences between folder and ZIP file, struggle with attaching file to e-mail and so on. They probably never understand how Bitcoin really works and will believe what someone with "more authority" says.

Sad, but true.

Ask people to explain how paper money works, and not one in 10 will give you a remotely accurate answer.
2106  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So the Hurricane had me thinking about bitcoin offline on: November 03, 2012, 04:08:58 AM
I am guessing most of you have not lived off-grid for a few months at at time.  Two-way Sat phones are great, but expensive if you are footing the bill;

UHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM two-way sat phones cost no more than any regular cell phone, and alot of them offer free incoming calls with text messages costing mere cents.

Um, I'd like to see that service offer.  My experience with satphones is that they cost at least 5 times as much than a comparable domestic cell service.  Yes, I've looked.

http://www.telestial.com/view_product.php?ID=SPHN-ISAT
http://remotesatellite.com/


Yup, at least five times what domestic cell service costs.  I pay $25 per month for 300 anytime minutes, unlimited text & data, and my smartphone cost me $75 two years ago.  The baseline satphone costs $599 and the service is comparable to an in-the-air airline phone call.

BTW, I've been paying for my cell service entirely with bitcoins for going one a year now.
2107  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So the Hurricane had me thinking about bitcoin offline on: November 03, 2012, 03:38:09 AM
I am guessing most of you have not lived off-grid for a few months at at time.  Two-way Sat phones are great, but expensive if you are footing the bill;

UHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM two-way sat phones cost no more than any regular cell phone, and alot of them offer free incoming calls with text messages costing mere cents.

Um, I'd like to see that service offer.  My experience with satphones is that they cost at least 5 times as much than a comparable domestic cell service.  Yes, I've looked.
2108  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So the Hurricane had me thinking about bitcoin offline on: November 03, 2012, 03:36:09 AM
I am guessing most of you have not lived off-grid for a few months at at time.  Two-way Sat phones are great, but expensive if you are footing the bill; packet HF is a low cost alternative, but has a low bandwidth. I hate to point this out, but you still need connectivity & electricity to run a lot of the nice tech gadgets.  At the moment, most of the non-tech world is not even aware of bitcoin.   I understand, there are possibilities and it's great to imagine a solution with a reduced per-user-cost that makes it economical.  But, If you ever find yourself in this situation where electricity is actually scarce, you might be tempted to find a less troublesome way of making the transaction work.  It's really great that all these ideas are being discussed, but in the reality of such a low-electricity/low-connectivity situation, you might decide to reduce your dependence on technology - at least temporarily.

I would guess more than a few of the low electricity & low internet connectivity gas stations/retail shops in NYC have gone cash only.  These ideas are great, but if you ever get into an area of the world where internet & electricity are scare, you will make changes to meet the more practical demands and find day to day life a bit different - browsing the internet isn't exactly a high priority.

I was just referring to the abilities of bitcoin to deal with short term disruptions such as  a power or internet outage following a storm.  Longer term issues, such as living in the middle of Africa, can also be dealt with in it's own way.  Regular power or not, there are more people who have access to a cell phone than have access to a flush toilet; and if you have access to a cell phone, even with intermittent connectivity, then you can deal in bitcoins.  Search for the term "MPesa" if you doubt it.  There are a number of ways that those who live distant from high speed Internet can be served by bitcoin, but not the least of which is that bitcoin adoption potentially drives Internet solutions in those distant locals.  Yes, a satphone data link is expensive, but easier to take when you have 50 vendors in a marketplace pitching in to pay for the connection.  There are a number of other solutions as well, from shortwave DRM datacasting of recent blocks to sneakernet movement of thumbdrives with the blockchain.  If you can do it with email, you can do it with bitcoins.  I'd be willing to wager that I coudl do it over psk31 using pskmail, it would just take a while.

And yes, I have a ham license, and it is possible to transact via HF via a 300 baud radio modem, but an ad-hoc mesh network, such as the kind proposed by the creators of the bitcoincard or by the design characteristics of Dash7 networking, would be much better at moving transactions even if there were only one decent internet connection within the entire disconnected town, which is something that isn't likely even in a distant city in Africa with at least 200K people living there.
2109  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: About a year ago.... on: November 03, 2012, 03:10:30 AM
the bad news: the official punishment for not reading what you quote is being hanged by the balls.
the good news: ignoring half of what you quote only gets you hanged by your left ball.

Maybe it was two years ago.  I'm old, so a year, give or take, isn't all that much anymore.
2110  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: November 03, 2012, 02:37:24 AM
Hello. We are a swarm of deadly space hummingbirds.

We like sugar.

How do we buy sugar with bitcoins?

Sugar I know not, but you can buy honey from Bees Bros.
2111  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTB] good, used pocketknives on: November 03, 2012, 02:33:23 AM
Best place to buy pocket knives is Airport auctions they have BINS AND BINS of them.

I wouldn't even know how to do that.

I'm also not sure that I could do it anyway, considering I'd be buying stolen property.
2112  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTB] good, used pocketknives on: November 03, 2012, 02:32:31 AM
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And zee grandaddy, Swiss Champ

It's reasonable, the same size as any normal Swiss Army except this top model's width. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuUoGenYI5Y
On the plus side, not the choice of street gangs...

How much for the super Swiss army knife?
2113  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTB] good, used pocketknives on: November 03, 2012, 01:01:57 AM
I've got one of these I can part with for something reasonable: Kershaw Crown 3160 - wood grain micarta (now they are smoother)


That's another one that a bit high-end for a child.

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Cold Steel Mini-Pal with this style of snap sheath (Japan) (not legal Canada/UK?):


A punch knife?  I don't think that would be a good idea.

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And zee grandaddy, Swiss Champ


Wow.  Just, wow.  Were's the valve for the kitchen sink?

That thing has got to be huge, although My son would just love to have a Swiss army knife with more gagets on it than my leatherman tool.
2114  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin major fail - doesn't allow credit creation (aka deflationary currency) on: November 03, 2012, 12:36:22 AM
After 21 mil BTCs are mined even loans are not the answer because there is no money created to cover the interest.

I'm just curious, why exactly do you think loans can ever only be made if interest can be charged? Do you not think loans could have a different kind of a price?

I'm not sure why you have to magic up money to pay the interest either. Could there be no interest charging loans in a gold-only economy?

Yeah, it's kind of a rediculous statement, considering interest predates fractional-reserve lending and 'flexible' monetary systems by 4000 years.
2115  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So the Hurricane had me thinking about bitcoin offline on: November 03, 2012, 12:33:38 AM
Bitcoincards create mesh network in local area and internet connection required only for the core nodes, internet via satellite plus small power generator e.g. a car, will suffice. So, if Bitcoincard comes out and becomes popular that will make Bitcoin natural disaster resilient.

Yes, a sat-phone with a 12 volt car adapter would be enough to support an unknown number of bitcoincards within the two-hop mesh range of about 4 city blocks.  The limiting factor would be the number of transactions-per-minute, since the bitcoincards are really just hardware based, blockchain-less 'light' clients.  The connectivity is only required for quick checks with the main bitcoincard servers & for forwarding transactions to the network, but even the transaction forwarding can be delayed without breaking the system.  A 14.4Kbps link should be able to support 5-10 transactions per second, so it should be able to support an open-air marketplace the size of a Wal-Mart.

Again, bitcoincard to bitcoincard transactions don't necessarily require a live connection anyway, so long as the sending card can prove that it has the inputs to such a transaction, but the smartcard is memory constrained, so it wouldn't be able to keep a great deal of inputs, and thus would still be limited in how many transactions that it could perform between interactions with it's supporting server.
2116  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So the Hurricane had me thinking about bitcoin offline on: November 03, 2012, 12:24:34 AM
Bitcoin is Technology based.  Because of it's dependence on electricity & connectivity, it cannot function in an offline world.

Actually, it can.  I've done it personally in a couple of different ways.  Cascious physical bitcoins is one obvious way, but I've done it by ad-hoc wireless.  The bitcoincard smartcard based hardware client works in much the same way, and limited transactions can occur in the absence of live connectivity.  The trick is that the sending client must have copies of the input transactions that it's using, must be able to send them to the receiving client, and the receiving client must have some method of checking those input transactions for credibility.  It's not as trustworthy as a pair of full clients with live internet and updated blockchains, but for most common interactions one might have in meatspace it's easily as trustworthy as paper cash, since cash can be counterfitted accurate enough to fool most inspections by the unaided human eye.
2117  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTB] good, used pocketknives on: November 03, 2012, 12:10:47 AM
I have a S.O.G Mini X-Ray that I really don't feel like sharpening  Grin

That's a bit of a high-end knife for a kid.  But for argument's sake, what would you want for it?
2118  Economy / Goods / [WTB] good, used pocketknives on: November 02, 2012, 11:38:01 PM
I'm looking for some pocketknives to give to my older kids this Xmas.  When I was a kid, my father would get used pocket knives for myself and my siblings because kids lose them often.  If you have a pocketknife that you no longer use, I'm interested in buying it.  Expecially if you have a pre-import-ban balisong or other one handed pre-import-ban pocketknife, but I'm interested in those for myself.  (I have a state license for carrying concealed deadly weapons, and that includes knives, so unlike some who live in The Peoples' Republic of California or NY I'm not risking jail time for owning these types of knives.)
2119  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: About a year ago.... on: November 02, 2012, 11:31:23 PM
60,000 of those are Atlas' accounts.  Another 7,000 belong to goons.  Subtracting scammers and their related sock puppet accounts, bitcoin has 5 legitimate users.  Last year there were four, though; so at this rate it will only be about 43.5 years before there are 68,000 legitimate users. 

That's actually funny.
2120  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Basic questions because I'm a noob sorry on: November 02, 2012, 10:09:20 PM
Actually, it's impossible for Blockchain to touch your wallet without your passkey, and with their current setup, there is no way to capture their passkey.

Why there's no way to capture the passkey? A malware in the user's computer can always capture what's typed/clicked/etc.

He means that there is no way for anyone sniffing on Blockchain's side of the connection to capture the passkey, but I'm not sure that I agree with that statement.

If you have malware on your computer, a local bitcoin client isn't safe either.
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