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1781  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 16, 2017, 12:55:53 AM
Or else this enormous cup requires a proportionally large handle, in which case this clambering up and dripping down could continue for months?

Bingo!


you guys are so bearish.

this is a bear trap and it will close...eventually but not 6 months from now...

I look forward to showing my support again sub 800

I am still amazed that you seem to flip flop more than a game of pong.

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is it too much to ask for one last sub 800 buy opportunity before the bear trap closes?

Yes, look back to the last 18 months as plenty of time to buy sub $800

1782  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 16, 2017, 12:23:24 AM
Or else this enormous cup requires a proportionally large handle, in which case this clambering up and dripping down could continue for months?

Bingo!


you guys are so bearish.

this is a bear trap and it will close...eventually but not 6 months from now...

I look forward to showing my support again sub 800

I am still amazed that you seem to flip flop more than a game of pong.

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is it too much to ask for one last sub 800 buy opportunity before the bear trap closes?
1783  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 15, 2017, 09:30:02 PM
you guys are so bearish.

this is a bear trap and it will close...eventually but not 6 months from now...
1784  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 15, 2017, 05:24:18 PM
I look forward to showing my support again sub 800
1785  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 15, 2017, 01:30:33 AM
he went max leverage long on the third massive pump, with no stop loss order??
he must of thought it would break ATH and fly away.
1786  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2017, 11:48:57 PM
The big three Chinese exchanges (OKCoin, Huobi, and BTCC) have all disabled margin trading for all clients onshore in China. This is in response to the recent on-site “inspections” (aka Ride The Red Dildo) by the PBOC.

With margin trading eliminated, the question remains what happens with existing leveraged positions. If the PBOC forces the exchanges to unwind all positions, that will negatively impact the price. The CNY spot book of each exchange is a combination of leveraged and unleveraged traders. The ratio of leveraged longs to shorts is of interest. If the net leveraged positioning is long, that means a combination of leveraged shorts and long sells were matched against them. Given that we just witnessed a new all time high in the CNY price of Bitcoin, I estimate leveraged longs outnumber leveraged shorts. In the event of a margin call, as the exchange unwinds both sides, the net effect will be a drop in price. The magnitude of the drop depends on the size of the imbalance.

30% initial margin (3.33x leverage) was the normal amount of margin offered. The collateral will be exhausted if the price moves 30% below or above the entry price of longs and shorts respectively. Given that the exchanges themselves lent funds to speculators, should the price move further than 30% they would suffer a principal loss. For illustration purposes, assume that the long / short ratio is 100 XBT / 50 XBT. The 50 XBT shortfall was provided by long sellers of Bitcoin. If the book was unwound, 50 XBT would need to be sold into the order-book. Hopefully, the order-book liquidity is sufficient such that the average execution price is no lower than 30% (the initial margin) below the average entry price of all long positions.

However, now that margin is removed, the actual liquidity will be substantially lower. If the margin positions were to be unwound, it would happen at the worst possible time. Some white knight whale would need to fully fund purchases of Bitcoin as it was dumped onto the market. Last week the BitMEX Bitcoin / USD 100x leveraged swap, XBTUSD, traded a record of nearly 100,000 XBT over a 24-hour period. The actual open interest fluctuated between 10-20x lower than the recorded trading volume. Given that trading fees are 0 in China, I estimate open interest is 100x lower than recorded trading volumes.

The big three exchanges routinely traded around 5 million Bitcoin per day during the recent pump. Using a 100x divisor, assume that each exchange’s actual open interest of loans is 50,000 XBT. Also assume that longs represent 60% of that total, and shorts 40%. That leaves a net 10,000 Bitcoin of required selling on each exchange. 30,000 Bitcoin in total must be sold across all the exchanges. The differentiations between the exchanges is quite small, which means that they all have the same customers. It is also the same handful of market makers responsible for all the liquidity in China. As trades happen on OKCoin, liquidity will be removed from Huobi and BTCC simultaneously. Therefore, we cannot sum all the liquidity offered by each exchange.

30,000 Bitcoin is worth 268 million CNY. That is not chump change when you consider all purchases must be fully funded. If we take the most liquid order-book (OKCoin), how low would the price go if 30,000 Bitcoin were dumped?

Each day brings new developments on how the PBOC is constricting business operations of Chinese Bitcoin exchanges. The Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) will depress buyer appetite further decreasing on-exchange liquidity. The pace of the forced margin call dictated by the PBOC will determine how far the price dips. I haven’t performed any extensive analysis on the order-book depth but my finger in the air estimation is a 10% to 15% drawdown from current levels. Hence my short term price target for Bitcoin is $650.

If and when the PBOC forces a China Bitcoin margin call, it will be an amazing buying opportunity. Without leverage, the only marginal sellers are Chinese miners. After the plunge, the marginal demand for Bitcoin will be higher than the supply offered by miners. The demand for a store of wealth not controlled by a government or central bank remains strong in China. I reiterate my call for USDCNY of 9.00 by the end of 2017. That would take Bitcoin substantially over its recent all time high of 8,895.98 CNY. It is still too early to tell whether the unwinding of margin positions will be orderly or chaotic. Much depends on exchange CEO’s fluffing skills. Get on your knees, boys: for the sake of Bitcoin.

reprinted from Bitmex Crypto Trader

nice analysis

i think its doubtful PBOC will order all positions to be closed within a 24 hour period... from what i hear they want to bring an element of stability and health to the bitcoin market, they want things to be done right... not be the source of investors losing there shirt...

and you have to understand that the reason why price has dropped recently is because of this FUD... market is saying " if shit hits the fan what should price be " and then moves close to that price before the shit actually hits the fan.

I suspect the PBOC will allow margins, but not naked shorts... I think they are more concerned with AML, capital flight, and that exchanges aren't about to go GOX.

at this point, price has priced in a negative outcome to all this PBOC regulation, i believe we might see more downward pressure if some shit comes out, but i dont see more then -15% and very temporary, after all once its all said and done what are we left with? PBOC approved bitcoin exchanges  Wink, there also a not half bad chance that not much shit comes out of this at all, exchange have been doing the proper KYC, maybe they'll get more guidance on how to prevent capital flight, a few rules to fallow, some reports to file, and a slap on the wrist for running bots.
1787  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2017, 07:20:42 PM
Looks like these minor fluctuations are getting much tighter now, breakout must be soon.

But which way will it break??

I call UP!!!!  Grin

I do not like the falling volume.


You gotta consider this trade volume matter in context, which means zooming out a bit to either weekly or 3 days.. you cannot really look only at daily volume or time intervals shorter than a few days in order to get a decent grasp of the situation... that's my thinking.

The mere fact that trade volume may decrease for a few days is not indicative that the price battle is over or that there is some kind of manipulation that is about to take place or major change in direction.  

A temporary drop in trade volume for a few days is merely an indication that some of the parties are regrouping.. which could take a few days and even trickle down for nearly a week before they resume the battle (in a more voluminous way).

I like falling volume, tells me a move is coming.

a bunch of longs appeared to have covered at 820-830
shorts seem unwilling to short at this level.

i'm thinking tonight we move above 830.


Maybe. The rising price/falling volume makes me a little nervous about which direction the next move will be.
Normally I wouldn't care too much but I get paid tomorrow for 3 months work and it's going to make a difference  Cheesy

the way things are shaping up i think 830 will become sticky

we go over it and longs cover and shorts build,
we go under and short cover and longs build....

we might have done it, we have finally stabilized bitcoin!

1788  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2017, 06:11:56 PM
Looks like these minor fluctuations are getting much tighter now, breakout must be soon.

But which way will it break??

I call UP!!!!  Grin

I do not like the falling volume.


You gotta consider this trade volume matter in context, which means zooming out a bit to either weekly or 3 days.. you cannot really look only at daily volume or time intervals shorter than a few days in order to get a decent grasp of the situation... that's my thinking.

The mere fact that trade volume may decrease for a few days is not indicative that the price battle is over or that there is some kind of manipulation that is about to take place or major change in direction. 

A temporary drop in trade volume for a few days is merely an indication that some of the parties are regrouping.. which could take a few days and even trickle down for nearly a week before they resume the battle (in a more voluminous way).

I like falling volume, tells me a move is coming.

a bunch of longs appeared to have covered at 820-830
shorts seem unwilling to short at this level.

i'm thinking tonight we move above 830.
1789  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2017, 05:21:41 PM
if you care about bitcoin miners continuing to provide a high level of power to mine and secure bitcoin...
then give them the means to control blocksize
with some control over blocksize miners can balance the fee pressure to maximize fees.

And if we don't? If we think of them as a tool, sort of like hiring people and asking half of them to dig holes and the other half to cover those holes up just to prove some work was done. If too many line up willing to do that you reduce their compensation, if not enough show up you raise the salary. But now these people keep showing up and asking that they control how many holes they dig. And then hire shills to run ads and try to influence your decision  Angry
if you dont care about maximum fee revenue for miner, which in turn provides a greater incentive to secure bitcoin.
...
another blockchain will.
1790  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2017, 04:50:15 PM
if you care about bitcoin miners continuing to provide a high level of power to mine and secure bitcoin...
then give them the means to control blocksize
with some control over blocksize miners can balance the fee pressure to maximize fees.
1791  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2017, 07:44:30 AM
The question is how low will it go down this year will it be under 200 usd or will it hold the in 500 USD spot until it reaches the 1000 USD again.

support at 770-750  was pretty strong, and now the panic is over.
bottom fishers taking there 5% is the only thing ( besides to PBOC ) thats holding us back from climbing troward 900
can't take profit if you dump price... so i won't expect big dumps and intense volume.
back to the slow grind.
maybe we'll see 798.5 one last time, but dont expect that to cause any kind of panic selling...
1792  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is it a good time? on: January 14, 2017, 04:17:12 AM
in addition to my above comment i would like to say you can do this:
let's say you want to invest $1000 and think there is a chance price goes up and there is a chance it goes down. if you think there is a bigger chance of it going up then buy $500 now.
then spread the rest in orders.
think it can go down to $750 then put an order of $200 there.
think there is a smaller chance it go to $700 put an order of $100 there.
think there is a tiny chance of it go down to $680 put an order of $100 there.
...
and so on. (change the numbers based on what you think, and have fun)

Your idea is not so bad, but perhaps the distribution of your funds should be in reverse: the higher the price would correspond to a smaller amount, and the more the price go down you should have enough funds to acquire more, as a kind of martingale.
right, and also, one should probably plan to be 100% overbought if bitcoin should reach these unexpected but not impossible lows..

you're comfortable throwing 1000$ at bitcoin?
then you should be in 2000$ after a shit storm.
1793  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2017, 01:29:52 AM
maybe one of the results of the chinese sniffing around is that we discover they've been naked short selling it all these years. could be fun.

isn't that legal tho?

i mean its an accepted practice on other markets.

I remember the US briefly banned shorting during a crash years ago. It was legal until they decided to briefly ban it, then they unbanned it again and it went back to legal. China's the same, it's legal until they say it's not, then back to legal when they say it is.

naked shorts are really just a risk to the exchange itself.
there the ones leading out coins they dont have.
the exchanges probably hedge when / if they do this, they'll lead you 500BTC they dont have, and buy some "puts" or somthing.
really there just betting they'll make money because some will get liquidated... and that will cover their hedging costs and then some.
they lead you 500BTC, buy a put, price moves higher up, they use there put you get liquidated, and they profit big time.
Lol wouldnt suprize me at all this kinda shits happening...
 
unclear if PROC will put a stop to this, they play the same games...
1794  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2017, 01:10:36 AM
maybe one of the results of the chinese sniffing around is that we discover they've been naked short selling it all these years. could be fun.

isn't that legal tho?

i mean its an accepted practice on other markets.
1795  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2017, 01:03:28 AM
not much fallow thru there...

meh no worries the grind will loss resistance and gain support.
1796  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2017, 12:09:22 AM

eight
1797  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2017, 11:58:30 PM
Knock Knock
1798  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2017, 10:15:50 PM
Sell it all man

I've fucking had it.
1799  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2017, 10:13:38 PM
this is exciting!
support looks strong.
though little battle
1800  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2017, 09:58:55 PM
loving that retardedly tight spread  Cheesy
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