People will not just learn patience and holding, but they will learn to stop calling some predictions for the market or expecting something too much than letting the market just does its own thing.

A lot of people have caught up into the mindset of trying to go with what people are predicting and saying, but in the real sense, the market is always going to be screwing those in that category up until they get to learn that the market is always going to be going as it pleases, and as we can see now, it is not actually bull run but more bear run.

And the funniest part to it all is that you might just end up doing a single campaign for half a year without getting paid simply because the project could not meet up with its soft cap. Honestly, there is a lot going on with the whole of bounty space right now that pretty much sucks and this is because even the bounty hunters really tend to ridicule themselves with the way they behave at times.

Getting stuck is always an option, and until people start realizing they need to let project team understand they mean a lot to the success of the project before they will start seeing the need to treat bounty participants differently.

The main trouble is, because bots do not have the emotional baggage people have they also do not have that "gut feeling" we have as well. Now the difference between those two, when you are doing a botting during a bull market, without any emotion that would be amazing, with your gut feeling you may get scammed or something by someone or some ICO or whatever.

However on a bear market it is amazing that you can use your gut feeling, worst case scenario you will lose money in a bear market just like everyone else and just like bots do, however when you somehow find there is a possible reason for bitcoins to go down again and stop your trading and cash out before a storm comes or early moments of a storm, you will react much better then a bot. That is why I have always supported the idea that bots are for bull runs, manual for bear runs.

We are seeing this clear as day right now. Do you know how we know that the money is changing hands right now? Because we can follow up on the big deals at the whalealert twitter bot. You can see there a week ago there was a lot of bitcoins sold there and money moving from "unknown wallet" to places like binance and coinbase and bitfinex or whatever. That means there was a lot of rich people who sold their bitcoins a week ago and turned that into cash. This is not certain but it is the most likely explanation.

However in the past 2 days now we are starting to see money moving from those exchanges like binance and coinbase and what not to "unknown wallets" which means they are buying bitcoin now from cheap and sending that to their own wallets. Rich folk basically sold their coins at over 6 thousand dollar value and when the price dropped they started to gather as much as they can at lower prices.

Well, maybe we should see how that will work out for you eventually. I am hoping as you are saying this, you are all out already, so in a way, if all you care about is seeing bitcoin experiencing a slow death, you might as well just stay in fiat and enjoy your inflation for all we care.

I have no idea where you got the gist that LN has failed, so let me just assume you came up with that from what you saw in your dream. Scaling or not, bitcoin still stand a great chance, take it or leave it.

Times like this is when we get to see FUD the more, and the people I pity the most are those who tend to listen to this and then dump all they have at loss, and then eventually get scammed by some so called people who are trying to manipulate their minds into getting a lot from them eventually. Bear trend has always been a good time for accumulation.

Whether it drops as low as even $2k, I really have nothing to be bothered about. There is time for everything and if you are smart enough as an investor, you will know time when people are scared like this is when you should be accumulating.

They have not seen anything yet. They are just going to end up as screwed up as any shit coin eventually. A waste of time, a waste of resources, a waste of space, those are pretty much the definition of shit coins. Roger really messed up right from time as a result of his own greed. He knew what was right, but he was looking forward to making more money, so I guess he is just so dumb enough not to have known that he does not have anything in this space.

I can imagine how real Satoshi will be laughing out hard right now, (if he is a single person anyway and if he is still alive), seeing all these things play out.

But I am holding till now. Moreover I have been holding since late 2013. Practically I am holding by keeping faith on bitcoin always high. I feel like I do not have too much options to be honest with you. I can sell right now of course, that's always an option but why would I sell when I am at a minus, if you do not need the money for something there is no need to sell it at a loss.

Yeah, there are "traders" who always support the idea that you should sell now and buy back later when it drops but I don't know if it will drop even further ? Who knows that. So I keep it, I hold it right now however not because I want to, but because I have to. I would rather sell all my bitcoins 10 days ago and spend that on something else rather then keeping my bitcoins right now but I didn't know it would drop this badly again so here I am with a lot of money that is basically vanished and will have to wait until they come back.

We have heard this same sentiment from all the way back from 20 thousand dollars to now 4 thousand dollars.

It was a great opportunity for us that bitcoin dropped to 15 thousand dollars, after all it was 20 thousand dollars and now worth less which gives us a chance to buy at 15 thousand and sell back at 20 thousand when it reaches there. It is a great chance that bitcoin is 12 thousand dollars, we can buy here and sell at 15 thousand, it is great that bitcoin is 8 th... you see the pattern here ?

Anytime coins drop people keep saying it is a great chance to buy at the dip and sell later on but the dip goes even deeper and we keep on losing money. I am tired of dropping the cost averages of my bitcoin investments and altcoin investments. From now on I am not getting any extra coins until it correct itself to over 6 thousand dollars.

Well, probably once in a while when I actually just feel like wasting money for some little fun which could be derived. The fun can actually be there, the fun of not wanting to lose, even if you have set limit for yourself, but it takes a lot of self-discipline, once you have realized anyway that the odds are usually not in your favor 100% of the time, and because of that, you do not want to get unnecessarily engross in it to the point where you find yourself in a position that you do not want to, which in this case can be termed addiction.

I am kind of worried, worrying is not some sort of bravery or something. Bravery is when you are afraid of something and still doing it nevertheless, if you are not afraid of something or worried and do that, well thats just doing something.

Moreover, if you are worried about bitcoin price but still invest in it and trusting it, that is called bravery. You can not become rich without taking some risks and without taking any risks you will stay wherever you are.

World will not give you free money, noone gives you free wealth, you have to go out and take that money from the world. You have to find a way to be worried about the bitcoin price but still buy bitcoin as much as you can afford and hope that one day that will make you rich. This is a very critical point in bitcoin, I am extremely worried about what will happen, however I do not cash out my bitcoins, never will.

I think I will change my coins to ethereum when the next bull comes. Right now I am afraid of doing any moves and scared of losing money to be honest from all the hectic movements but when the time comes I feel like ethereum has a bigger shot at getting much more % return of my investment then bitcoin. I honestly don't have any other idea right now.

The coins are so low that if I cash out right now it would mean I will eat a chunk of loss that I do not want to lose however as long as I keep my coins at these levels I do not really get anything in return neither with the market constantly dropping, so we are in a state of "in between zone" and can't get out. We can't sell because its low but its low so we can't make profit too. Hopefully when the next bull comes it won't be something small, I really hope it is "oh my god what happened" type of huge spike.

It’s same thing with every other person. I think what you should do is quit for a while and watch the price, or maybe just buy at this current $4,500 and store them in your wallets. I am very sure there is going to be a bigger bull coming soon. I’m not sure when it’s going to be, but it’s probably going to be any time next year. They have really succeeded in discouraging most of the investors in the market and getting them to quit with loss and making the price to drop very low so they can buy the dip and pump the price.

No it wouldn’t be a good idea to trade at this, unless you really know what you’re doing and you’re sure of ways you can profit from the market despite this current situation. Just like one of my friends, he never complains about price falling and I’m surprise that he doesn’t. So some people still find this fall as a good thing or whatever, and I don’t know how they manage to make income. As for those who are still novice, best thing to do is buy the deep and HODL it till there is a Bull run.

Rather than a lot of people seeing the bright picture now, there are basically shitting in their pants out of fear. Institutions with the way I am looking at it, are basically preparing for the Bakkt launch to use it as a catalyst for a rally, and with the way things are going right now, considering the fact that Bakkt launch has been postponed till December, I won't be surprised to see the market dwindle sideways after hitting a huge bottom before then. But of course, we all know institutions will never be picking a market that is high, they will want to drive it as much as they can until they are satisfied for a huge entry, and most of it all, all these is done via the back door.

If you know you know! Whether we like it or not, there will always be the institutional factors, or will I say the bigger players in every equation of the market. It is not something we can hide from, and what we are just basically retail investors or traders, and we simply just follow the market, but these guys make the market, so they pretty much tend to make it happen the way it will always favor them.

I know a lot of people tend not to come to terms with things like this, but take a look at most of the past assets as well as the stock market, and you will be able to relate better. They win by manipulating, based on the emotion running through the chart at certain point in time.

I don't think anyone cares about what John McAfee is doing right now or what he promises or what he said in the past. The problem with why he got a bit of famous on crypto was that at the time of his speculations and support and what not bitcoin wasn't as known as it is today. Right now everyone has heard about crypto and everyone has done something about it or not.

Mainstream media talked about bitcoin almost everyday for a while and economy channels still do talk about it at least once a day. But couple years ago no one really knew bitcoin that much, it was still known but not this much. So when a famous business man like John came out and said bitcoin will be this bitcoin will be that and he promoted couple altcoins we got excited for a while. Of course it turned out he got money for promoting coins and everybody stopped caring about him.

I do not think it will stay like this forever I think exchanges will start to list Bitcoin Cash ABC as " BCH" like they used to and liste bitcoin cash satoshis vision will stay as BCHSV instead. They listed them like this because there was no knowledge of who won but looking at Craig right now we can see that he realized he lost and now focusing on other stuff.

He already sold most of his coins and sits on top of a big cash pile so he decided he will focus on bringing bitcoin blockchain to companies now like a software company and that way he can make a lot of money but I doubt which crazy company would work with him. Now that ABC side won the war I think BCHABC will change into BCH only and that way bitcoin cash will continue existing. It just took sometime to decide which side won. It is still not decided %100 so it may take sometime but it will go back to how it used to be.

It is going even further down. When the first wave hit us it went from 6 thousands to 5 thousands and that was horrible and we all had a panic and fear of what happened because not only did the price fell but also it showed how weak our hands were holding bitcoin.

Now it dropped again to 4 thousands this time and we are really scared, not because bitcoin won't go up one day, I am pretty sure bitcoin will be 20 thousand dollars one day eventually but this showed how weak we are against a whale who decided to sell his coins to make some money for himself and his project.

It is not normal that bitcoin could be manipulated this way by a semi-rich person, if a hedge fund of billions of dollars decides to change stuff up in bitcoin market we wouldn't be capable of stopping them at all.

High demand in this case is not caused by a new wave of people coming into bitcoin, also we are already way pass that stage for bitcoin. Everyone in the world knows what bitcoin is now, noone has no problem pinpointing why they are not invested in bitcoin, it is not some obscure small thing anymore, there are talks of ETF for christ sake so believe me when I say this, there is no more new wave coming in.

No, this new high demand caused by the incredibly low price, of course the price could still go even lower but when a huge whale sells all his coins there are still some other whales who keep on buying bitcoin as well, which results with bitcoin still going down because of the whale selling but the demand looking higher because of other whales getting cheaper bitcoin.

I am getting worried about the volatility. Of course it is a bad thing that the price went down so much and we have lost so much in the total marketcap and all that, that is really bad, I wish it didn't happen. However the real worrying thing is that bitcoin showed once again how volatile it could be with a flick of a switch.

We had a bitcoin that was around 6-7 thousand dollar range for over 6-7 months without moving too much and in half an hour bitcoin went down like crazy and in another half an hour it went down once again like crazy. It is at a price where everyone thought it "can't ever hit" again, including me. The fact that the price went down is really sad but the worse part is that price CAN go down like this anytime, which makes investors with a fear of "what if" from now on.