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181  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If you want to know why I hate the dev team and how they treat Bitcoin... on: October 12, 2012, 02:50:29 PM

Except a fork in this case creates an entirely different currency. I don't want to reduce the value of the Bitcoins I have now or see them reduced.

Not really. As long as it implements the same underlying protocol, it is still bitcoins.
No, no it is not. I will not get $12 and upwards for an alternate Bitcoin not supported by most of the community.
182  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If you want to know why I hate the dev team and how they treat Bitcoin... on: October 12, 2012, 02:43:46 PM
Messias complexes usually end in the mental hospital.

Unfortunately, as the ones wearing badges which say "Doctor"

http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_harford.html

Apparently the "god complex" issue applies to this subject very well. We can either act on proposed solutions by a central authority and trust that authority or we can improve through trial-and-error with various solutions.

There still is one concept you simply can't grasp:

What you said above is not how open source projects work. In open source world, once most of people don't like the decision of the "central authority", they make a fork, and majority starts using the fork.

Examples are many. Gnome 3 -> Mate, MySQL -> MariaDB/Percona, OpenOffice -> LibreOffice. This really works.

And I am not even mentioning completely alternative (not forked) projects...

Except a fork in this case creates an entirely different currency. I don't want to reduce the value of the Bitcoins I have now or see them reduced.
183  Other / Off-topic / Re: Heaven is real, says neurosurgeon who claims to have visited the afterlife on: October 12, 2012, 12:45:47 PM
Don't have a link, however I remember reading about a study of near death experiences.  The study found that most of the people who glimpsed the "afterlife" in these experiences were religious beforehand...
Most people are religious. Go figure. It doesn't take a study to deduce that.
184  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I WANT TO DO IT! on: October 12, 2012, 02:15:57 AM
http://blockchain.info/wallet

You're welcome.

As for your last question, yes, but only with blockchain.info since its just a javascript interface to your own individual Bitcoin wallet.
185  Economy / Securities / Re: Is it possible to get my money back if I am not >18 on: October 12, 2012, 01:59:24 AM
You'll never have your childhood again, don't waste it on this shit.  Go out, make mistakes, have fun, be a kid.  Don't sit around here wasting your money pretending to be a big-shot investor on internet funny-munny.

I don't think you understand the concept of <100% net returns on a monthly basis. Nobody is wasting nor losing money here.

You goons might be when it comes to opportunity cost.
186  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Time for some good news, BTC Userbase (Full Nodes) grows again. on: October 12, 2012, 12:59:22 AM
I hate to be a filthy capitalist but the best measure of Bitcoin adoption is the price. The more goods and services exchanged for Bitcoin, the higher the price is. It's really simple.

Price in relation to what?  Fiat currencies?  That means nothing.

Justify this statement. Please, if you wish.
187  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Time for some good news, BTC Userbase (Full Nodes) grows again. on: October 11, 2012, 10:28:58 PM
I hate to be a filthy capitalist but the best measure of Bitcoin adoption is the price. The more goods and services exchanged for Bitcoin, the higher the price is. It's really simple.
188  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ƀ $ B⃦⃝ ß ฿ Б Ъ Ѣ [BTC] B B⃦ on: October 11, 2012, 10:19:59 PM
I don't see why ฿ is even really an option as it is already reserved for the Thai baht.


It's not reserved for the thai baht as the $ sign isn't reserved for the US Dollar. Signs can be used for whatever purpose.
189  Other / Off-topic / Re: Heaven is real, says neurosurgeon who claims to have visited the afterlife on: October 11, 2012, 10:12:28 PM
Here's another one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGQDkCi-OIY

Tammy Leroux shot herself, had an afterlife experience, then returned to life in surgery, where she remembered every detail.

The best parts are in the middle, don't stop watching.

She is of a very small minority that mentions a hell.

Now, in many hynotherapy sessions, there are mentions of individuals that exile themselves in solitude and shame after death because of a painful life. However, it is of the individual's own choice and desire.
190  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Seattle residents are being prosecuted for their beliefs; denied 5th amendment on: October 11, 2012, 09:40:41 PM
What an amazingly horrible headline.  Here's the events from a slightly more even-handed viewpoint:

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/09/13/activists-summoned-once-again-before-a-federal-grand-jury

She's been granted immunity from prosecution.  That's a very, very different thing than being denied the 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination.  Her concern now is that she no longer has a way to not testify.

The Stranger has more coverage of the events and the actual prosecution: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/occupy/


Many still find it unacceptable to be compelled to say anything against their wishes.
191  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Thai Baht (฿) has always been the most frequently used Bitcoin symbol right? on: October 11, 2012, 08:42:06 PM
The ignorance in this thread is appalling.

What many fail to realize is the severity of using the baht sign to represent Bitcoin. Canadian law is not Thai law, but it has to be pretty similar:
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Section 74.05 of the Competition Act is a civil provision. It prohibits the sale or rent of a product at a price higher than its advertised price. The provision does not apply if the advertised price was a mistake and the error was immediately corrected.

If a court determines that a person has engaged in conduct contrary to section 74.05, it may order the person not to engage in such conduct, to publish a corrective notice and/or to pay an administrative monetary penalty of up to $750,000 in the case of a first time occurrence by an individual and $10,000,000 in the case of a first time occurrence by a corporation. For subsequent orders, the penalties increase to a maximum of $1,000,000 in the case of an individual and $15,000,000 in the case of a corporation.

The advertised prices may indeed be mistakes, as the business had not intended to sell the items at a bargain price. However, unless these errors are corrected as soon as someone complains, huge fines can result.

No, dree12, a Canadian court would not rule a BTC pricing as a Thai Baht pricing if the intent was clearly a BTC transactions or vice-versa. If your courts did, you have bigger problems.
192  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Confessions of an Internet Shill on: October 11, 2012, 08:14:13 PM
I'm not trying to talk in certainty here, but look at my Dank Bank thread.  What person, completely disinterested in my ventures and spiritual phenomena, spends so much energy as to post multiple times a day, every day about it?  Let alone over a half dozen people.  All while using the same tactics expressed in this article.
Dank, you are clearly high.
193  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Time for some good news, BTC Userbase (Full Nodes) grows again. on: October 11, 2012, 08:05:50 PM
I pity those running the official client.

The sooner we stop calling it official, the faster it will disappear from the Google frontpage for Bitcoin.
194  Other / Off-topic / Re: Heaven is real, says neurosurgeon who claims to have visited the afterlife on: October 11, 2012, 07:57:46 PM
Dr. Alexander's experience is consistent with similar visions of the afterlife.

Only similar in that all of these 'experiences' are vague and difficult to describe.  When people have an inexpiable experience, whether it is similar to another's inexpiable experience or not, they will inevitably describe the experience similarly due to the fact that we only have so many words that can describe an inexpiable experience.

A tunnel of light was certainly described.
195  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If you want to know why I hate the dev team and how they treat Bitcoin... on: October 11, 2012, 07:51:28 PM
Messias complexes usually end in the mental hospital.

Unfortunately, as the ones wearing badges which say "Doctor"

http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_harford.html

Apparently the "god complex" issue applies to this subject very well. We can either act on proposed solutions by a central authority and trust that authority or we can improve through trial-and-error with various solutions.
196  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If you want to know why I hate the dev team and how they treat Bitcoin... on: October 11, 2012, 07:27:41 PM

Unremorsefully. Autists have destroyed companies and they do not make marketable and successful products. Google OpenMoko.

Welp, Atlas has received 4 pages of well thought out responses, but only responds to nitpick minor points.  He doesn't want discussion, he wants to make-believe that he is an important member of the community just for being the most whiny person here.  

This is a troll thread.  It's disappointing, but all the well-written replies appear to have been in vain. He doesn't listen, he just wants to be heard. This is just a sad cry for attention.
Oh, I listen. I may not accept the conjecture but I listen.

Philosophical differences do not have to be resolved.
197  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Time for some good news, BTC Userbasy (Full Nodes) grows again. on: October 11, 2012, 07:26:16 PM
Maybe its more P2Pool miners?
198  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If you want to know why I hate the dev team and how they treat Bitcoin... on: October 11, 2012, 07:20:56 PM
If these people can't be bothered to spend a couple hours learning about the software they are using and why it behaves as it does, then they probably can't be bothered to take the necessary steps to backup and secure their Bitcoins either. They probably can't even be bothered to secure their personal computers!

If someone could buy a bitcoins at a retail store and redeem them on a merchant site, what should this person be expected to learn before he's worthy enough to use Bitcoins?  Does GreenDot require two hours of learning before they let you buy a MoneyPak?

For this use case, what does someone need to know about spending a Bitcoin "gift card" beyond what's necessary to use a GreenDot MoneyPak?  About the only thing they need to know is a) it's decentralized, so b) there's no 800 number to call if anything goes wrong so be careful and don't put too many eggs in any one basket, and c) no one will be nannying you or monitoring how you spend your money, so enjoy your freedom.  What have I missed?

The idea that someone could steal their private key is something they've already been taught by MoneyPaks and iTunes gift cards in the form of scratchoffs reminding them that if the card is tampered, not to buy it.  The likelihood that the party who applied the scratchoffs - a commercial manufacturer of Bitcoin "gift cards" (think Bit-Pay) is going to defraud individuals out of their bitcoins - is no greater than the likelihood that they would defraud them out of Applebee's dollars today.

The idea that this person should be expected to learn a couple hours of anything or else be shut out because they should adapt to us, not the other way around, is... Atlas put it best... autism, a total failure to comprehend and adapt to the mindset and needs of the average human being.


Bitcoin is still very much beta but here we have a person like atlas demanding a change and calling the devs autists.


Unremorsefully. Autists have destroyed companies and they do not make marketable and successful products. Google OpenMoko.
Yeah, but why do you think you have the right to demand that they fix stuff for you?


I have the right to demand whatever I want, along with everybody else. It's simple text and speech, nothing more. A right is simply an ability and I am able to speak.

As for actions, they remain in possession of the respective agents.

Sure, you can demand all you want.
But in this case it makes you look like a little kid in a toy store that demands that the shop owners give you a toy.
I see a lot of that with people that do not contribute themselfs to code of an open source project.


I've never cared for a spotless appearance. I have also never cared for the organization nor the actions of the Bitcoin-Qt/Bitcoind project. I rather see it lose its recognition among the public. This end of mine -- it doesn't require code contributions of any kind.

Your obsession with honor and dignity has no bearing on my person. I never play that game. I transcend it.
Serially tho, stating that you're better never won a grown up argument.
You're about as much transcended as a kid hooked on sugar.
GIMME GIMME GIMME I NEEEEEED!.


My happiness isn't dependent on any of this.
Which immediately makes me wonder what nerve i've hit for you to bring up happiness...


Feel free to make another thread on this.
199  Other / Off-topic / Re: Heaven is real, says neurosurgeon who claims to have visited the afterlife on: October 11, 2012, 07:18:39 PM
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You can't say that for certain.
According to known facts this is our best guess. You are not certain also that there are no gremlins hiding under your bed but the best guess is that there are none right now and most scientists will agree that there are no gremlins at all.
It seems even you desire a likely certainty. I am content with none at all.
200  Other / Off-topic / Re: Heaven is real, says neurosurgeon who claims to have visited the afterlife on: October 11, 2012, 07:12:15 PM
I was talking with plane pilots and they told me there is no man with white beard sitting on clouds and watching over us. They told that it would be aviation hazard. And also there is no garden up there, the thin atmosphere and cold would not allow for subtropical ecosystem to exist. The religion and books are completely wrong with this afterlife bullshit.

Multiverse theory. Astral planes. Quantum physics. Subjects that could easily explain a possible afterlife.
Even if multiverse theory is right, the various universes can not interact with each other by definition. They even most likely have different physical constants and are totally incompatible with our universe. And if other universes exist, why it will need to host soul of some jerk from planet earth when he dies?

Astral is completely out of question as it is not even scientific in any sense.

We don't know if brain functions in quantum level. Even if it does, what is the purpose of having immortal consciousness?

The afterlife is a invented fairy tale for cowardly people who just can't stand the fact that we are mortal, we have limited time to live and there is nothing to save us.
Why does there have to be a defined purpose? Isn't the universe rudderless according to you?

I don't think it is certain that our raw, perceiving consciousness is mortal. If our ability to perceive is quantifiable, then it can be replicated. Assuming an infinite universe, it is likely that our ability to perceive will take shape again through whatever means. If life can come from barren dirt, I believe we can find ourselves perceiving through another being and form once more. Maybe with no recollection but with a perception nonetheless.

This doesn't have to have a religious explanation. One only has to look at monkeys on typewriters and apply to it the mish-mash of matter and energy that is our universe.
There is not enough time to get Bitcoin private key by means of brute forcing it, let alone every persons consciousness to be replicated in random.

You can't say that for certain.
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