So have you informed the customers of those other producers yet? I bet you didn't and won't. And can you answer that "have you cancelled your orders yet"?
Since when did I become a public service? Pay me a salary, then I will do the PR job on your behalf! ---------------------------- As for your other question, when I ask you a question and you kindly answer it, then yours will definitely receives an answer in kind. It is a "give and take" type of forum. Thanks, for showing that your sole purpose here is to troll and bash BFL, this time with roi arguments on devices that have about the same/better specs as the ones you happily order somewhere else. Maybe that's why you so conveniently duck the question why you did not cancel your own orders for these non-roi giving devices? Sir, I did not "duck the question" anymore than you ducked mine. I can answer your question perfectly well. I just ask that you answer mine as well. As for you making it sound like it is my job to inform others, you are sadly mistaken. It is not my job to inform the community. Do you want me to answer your question first and then you can answer mine, or do you not intend to answer my questions despite my efforts to answer yours? Like I said, it is a "give and take" community. And please stop with the name calling. It's not going to convince either of us. So, to answer the question why miners stop their gpu and fpga farms: (are they at the moment? 2 vidcard $800 - 1600 Mh/s - 600W incl.host pc = $60 power Coins Dollars per Day ฿0.48 $5.61 per Week ฿3.34 $39.29 per Month ฿14.52 $170.64 at 10fold diff./block reward halving $8.50 - hardw.roi 94 months, loss $51.50/month 6 vidcard $1600 - 4800Mh/s - 1800W incl.host pc = $180 power Coins Dollars per Day ฿1.43 $16.84 per Week ฿10.03 $117.87 per Month ฿43.57 $511.91 at 10fold diff./block reward halving $26 - hardware roi 62 months, loss $154/month jalapeno $149 - 4500Mh/s - 120W incl.host pc = $12 power Coins Dollars per Day ฿1.34 $15.79 per Week ฿9.40 $110.51 per Month ฿40.84 $479.91 at 10fold diff./block reward halving $24 - hardware roi 6 months, profit $12/month little single $649 - 30000Mh/s -150W incl.host pc = $15 power Coins Dollars per Day ฿8.96 $105.24 per Week ฿62.70 $736.71 per Month ฿272.30 $3,199.43 at 10fold diff./block reward halving $160 - hardware roi 4 months, profit $145/month Of course deducting power cost directly would increase roi period, left that for ease, already typed the lot twice due to firefox fucking up, you'll get the point. Satisfactory? |
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I don't know. All I saw was he is just like you, a nagging idiot repeating the same whining mantra day by day, and steps it up where possible? Does he want a refund? Nooooo.... Does he even have an order? Probably not, just like you. (What was your order number btw?) Do you remember why you were removed there, over and over and over and over? Because you were the same, a nagging whining troll.
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So have you informed the customers of those other producers yet? I bet you didn't and won't. And can you answer that "have you cancelled your orders yet"?
Since when did I become a public service? Pay me a salary, then I will do the PR job on your behalf! ---------------------------- As for your other question, when I ask you a question and you kindly answer it, then yours will definitely receives an answer in kind. It is a "give and take" type of forum. Thanks, for showing that your sole purpose here is to troll and bash BFL, this time with roi arguments on devices that have about the same/better specs as the ones you happily order somewhere else. Maybe that's why you so conveniently duck the question why you did not cancel your own orders for these non-roi giving devices? |
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And wtf has BFL to do with pirate and his mostly retard clients thinking there is a thing called free money? Running out of arguments?
LOL  ... that was meant to be sarcastic, right? Or a joke. Please tell me you are not that dumb ... I see, you were one of the clowns that did! ps: 40 GH/s -> 60 GH/s = +50%, professor Frizz |
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If they did not allow refunds i might agree. But since they do, no scammer tag for them.
Pirate paid quite a lot of interest until his operations shut down, and everyone thought it was legitimate until they lost their money. What happens if everyone wants a refund from BFL at the same time? And wtf has BFL to do with pirate and his mostly retard clients thinking there is a thing called free money? Running out of arguments? Frizz23 ... pretending to have ordered everywhere, but actually hasn't anywhere
How would you know? Do you work for BFL? No (although some might think they pay you *g*). Do you have access to their books? No. So again guessing and speculations - a BFL asshamsters favourite waste of time. I don't need to see their books to know what a lying troll you are, wasting time bashing BFL is your specialty with your shitload of accounts to play with here and at the bfl forum. With your made up identities, orders and complaints, come on, give us your order number or put it the the SC order thread at the marketplace section? Anyone asking for a refund at BFL has gotten it promptly. Only a few asked, because they needed the cash for who knows what. But hey, never mind, keep trolling, spreading fud, plain lying like Frizz23, it's pretty obvious the anti BFL league is kind of loosing their minds over their soon obsolete mining farms. Fail. Have you read the comments why they are selling? Or did you have so much haste to troll something new that you skipped that? Go on, read them. No one complaining BFL did not want to refund them, most are singles with a trade in contract to a new order, one wants to make a nice profit by asking 50btc for 2 jalapenos. One is related to the closure of gblse and his mining farm. |
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Customer base? You call that clown Frizz23 customer base? Even a customer? With his dozens of fake accounts pretending to have ordered everywhere, but actually hasn't anywhere? The real question by now is: Should tacotime get a Troll tag? |
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The smaller purchasers haven't seemingly figured out that the Jally and Little Singles are pretty unprofitable the longer they wait to receive them. (after block halving that is). It seems like an inescapable reality that customers will eventually do the math and figure it out.
Then I guess the BFL representative doesn't know his match as much as I do.
lol math. Why am I doing this. Lets throw in some hypothetical numbers. Difficulty goes up by 40x, price stays the same. Block reward halves to 25. Difficulty X 40? Dream on. That's what you get if you calculate by opinion instead of figures. Why then aren't people keeping their GPU or FPGA rigs active if your ideas and Badonkadonk are correct? (that somehow a Jally or Little Single will be profitable even if there is a late delivery and ever increasing difficulty) So by your opinion any asic is no longer giving a roi after the block halving. Have you cancelled your (bctfpga) order yet? Oh no wait, you were just trolling, right?
If you can't answer the above, then it's not trolling. It's just obvious. P.S. The people who will be making tons of BTC are the mini-rig crowd (or people buying multiple units to approach a mini-rig like system.) So have you informed the customers of those other producers yet? I bet you didn't and won't. And can you answer that "have you cancelled your orders yet"? |
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That's what you get if you calculate by opinion instead of figures. So by your opinion any asic is no longer giving a roi after the block halving. Have you cancelled your (bctfpga) order yet? Oh no wait, you were just trolling, right?
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Josh has just stated on BFL forums that preorders will be shipped "By the end of January assuming no snags or anything."  The question he answered to was: "Is there a realistic time frame of when you will have "all" the initial pre-ordered ASIC's shipped?" |
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As said in other thread, this is only a proof that you payment is confirmed (if paid with BTC), some month after, , btw BFL even haven't done anything like this. Regards Actually, BFL sent me order- and payment confirmations at the very minute they were received, so once again you are just talking shit. |
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You really believe anyone asking now when asic will come, like the OP, is not a troll? The hardware/custom hardware sections here are safe troll havens.
They are indeed, SLok, they are indeed. Only it's not the people asking questions who are the trolls. He doesn't care, nor is he in a hurry, quoting OP, "I will keep mining, unlike others, I see the big picture and I'm in for the long run... so if I make 1 btc or 20 today, I don't really care..." That's the standard mail that is sent to the "shipping department", which is still non-existent btw, since the volunteers for that are not in yet. Would be useless, since even the board in still in development state, so there is nothing to assemble. For what it is worth, btcfpga or bfl, they both have my sympathy, the one that can deliver new orders faster or even off-the-shelf first, gets my next order(s). |
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Hahaha, perhaps replace "electricity costs" with "difficulty", that's my only worry
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BFL never actually holds any coins at any time.
Oh? You speak on behalf of BFL? You work as an accountant or something like for them to know that for sure?  BFL might not hold coins - but they sure hold our (pre order) money. Lots. For the readers who just tuned in, bitsnpieces is also known here as frizz23. |
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They've shipped plenty of FPGA devices from my understanding. Which seem to be very economical for pre-ASIC mining.
 Yes we all know that. Just in case you missed it: We talk about ASICs since quite some time now ... For the readers who just tuned in, bitsnpieces is also known here as frizz23. |
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You really believe anyone asking now when asic will come, like the OP, is not a troll? The hardware/custom hardware sections here are safe troll havens.
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Do they even know what is ordered/paid for at this stage? No. Guaranteed a place in batch one if ordered now? No. Is the planning -first week of December- now -early December-? Yes. Does this all mean anything? No. Can they deliver off the shelf? No. Hardly a plan B is it? |
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Who's this? Inaba? SLok? Lab_Rat *ggg*? It's one of the few that aren't you. |
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Just human psychology. Once invested most people will defend their decision to do so.
Yep........ I did that with a stock purchase recently..... I could have bought 10!!!! ASIC mining rigs with the money wasted. Question: Lets say someone is a customer and they feel they want out of the waiting game. So at what point does a customer make a decision that they are definitively going to get the hardware later than they had [reasonably] hoped?? What is Plan B? ----------------------------------------------- This goes for all the other companies not just BFL. (Avalon / bASIC) At what point is it time to call it quits? A) Is it when one vendor ships and the one you ordered from is still in a holding pattern? B) Is it when there are more than 2 delays? C) Is it when the block halving has taken place? D) Is it when the mass refunds start for any one vendor? (any of the three companies) --------------------------------- Then what? What is Plan B? Do you go to one of the other competitors with your money? Do you just sit there and "suck on lemons" while you wait it out? What do you do if you do decide to abandon your first choice?What is the correct strategy at that point? If another than the one I have my money tight to, starts delivering new orders faster than the one my money is tight to, I'll cancel that order, and go for that other one. What a simple plan B, is it not? |
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All of that is provable: You've made fake accounts, you've made bogus claims and you've made fake orders. All documented, all proved.
Who's this? Inaba? SLok? Lab_Rat *ggg*? Why not post this with your BFL_Josh account? Bitsnpieces? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=123719.0CptNemo? BFL_Obama or BFL_Mitt or whatever, Frizz23, and dozens more, seek help man. |
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