I was just searching for shipment updates on BFLs forum, reading this thread here: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/406-any-chance-chips-wont-work.htmlTaking a snapshot, because I sort of assumed that this one would be deleted rather quickly. And I was right. It's gone now. Which makes me think: Are we in f*cking China?!?! Censorship at it's best ... Hey SLok & Inaba: eryngi is of course another one of Frizz23 fake accounts, right?  Well Frizz23, it probably is, you followed Eryngi pretty closely. Have you got the news that your probable alter ego Eryngi asked for a refund for a non-existing order for 5 Singles? Like naterhit's fake order refund request? Both guessed order numbers that did not exist. Or are you really borderline multi-personality disordered, besides being a psychopathic liar? https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/441-refund-not-getting-processed.html |
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Couldn't be bullshit at all, nope. I report I have received NO email about this. Thanks.
Will Tom's post on his own forum convince you? https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=125.0For the record, I'm not a BFL supporter. My interest is in seeing those who've pre-ordered ASICs get the most accurate information possible about when they can expect delivery. I think Tom has done pretty well at this to date but that people are understandably frustrated when significant delays are only announced at the 11th hour, no matter which company is announcing a delay. I think many people would rather have a company say "February" and deliver on time or early than have them give a date and keep pushing it back. The btcfpga thread was posted after you made the post from the shoutbox, which was referring to a mail he got from bfl regarding his recent order, and was later corrected in that same bfl shoutbox by the one posting it there when people asked where he read "bASIC". But indeed, they all seem in the same boat now, I don't see BFL shipping large numbers, or at all, before Christmas too. |
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Both persons asking for a refund there provided non existing order numbers? |
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People were talking about it in the Shoutbox. More than one person reported receiving the email. You left the shoutbox too early, the guy was reading bASIC where the mail did not mention a company, but it was supposed to be coming from bfl? What the poster's order # was, is not mentioned |
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Je wordt bedankt. Heb linuxcoin via een usb stick als backup, draait ook als een tierelier. Hoop dat er geen issues mee zijn, qua veiligheid oid, want LC is al weer ff niet bijgewerkt.
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Het is een 2dehands HP mini netbook geworden, €57,- zonder hdd op ebay, met een 30Gb ssd voor €30,- erbij nog lekker zuinig ook. Onder de 20W met scherm uit. Ubuntu en winxp er allebei op, straks maar kijken wat het best werkt.
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Actually, bfl under-clocks the chips, in theory they can run at 16Gh/s, but stability and life expectancy would suffer. Just as btcfpga said for their chips btw. There is room for overclocking for sure.
Increasing the clock speed is the surest way to lose their power efficiency advantage. I wouldn't mind if it takes 80 or 100 Watt instead of 60, if performance rises accordingly. It would still be on top. |
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It's not about fries or asics and do or don't they exist. It's about trolls crying the same mantra several times a day. Making numerous accounts with fake complaints just because they are dedicated to bash bfl at every occasion. Like Frizz23 aka bitsnpieces aka a lot more, making up orders to cancel, just fucking things up. If bfl has no asic because they have not proved to have an asic, bctfpga has no asic too, and the pictures of avalon's production line just show some people standing next to some machinery, without any trace of relation to avalon, so they don't have an asic too. Whoopy, everybody go get your money back! I might get some places in the first batches!
Why do you call people who have doubts about the BFL trolls? I don't. Reread "It's about trolls crying the same mantra several times a day. Making numerous accounts with fake complaints just because they are dedicated to bash bfl at every occasion. Like Frizz23 aka bitsnpieces aka a lot more, making up orders to cancel, just fucking things up." I myself have doubts about bfl's shipping updates. Do you think that gives me some right to make multiple accounts and spread fud and lies? Ask the same questions day by day? Fill every topic with the same whining? I heard no one complain here when all mesarah's posts except 1 or 2 were removed, only cheers. |
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It's not about fries or asics and do or don't they exist. It's about trolls crying the same mantra several times a day. Making numerous accounts with fake complaints just because they are dedicated to bash bfl at every occasion. Like Frizz23 aka bitsnpieces aka a lot more, making up orders to cancel, just fucking things up. If bfl has no asic because they have not proved to have an asic, bctfpga has no asic too, and the pictures of avalon's production line just show some people standing next to some machinery, without any trace of relation to avalon, so they don't have an asic too. Whoopy, everybody go get your money back! I might get some places in the first batches!
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Actually, bfl under-clocks the chips, in theory they can run at 16Gh/s, but stability and life expectancy would suffer. Just as btcfpga said for their chips btw. There is room for overclocking for sure.
How much room? I thought they can go to 200% but people say they are already overclocked.  We will find out, but after delivery probably, by firmware update or whatever is used for it. They just don't want anything to stand in the way of getting the asic out the door asap. What a merry-go-round we're in. The "in theory capable of 16Gh/s" comes from the article in Bitcoin Magazine nov. 4th edition. Man, I totally agree with you, except one point, I need to buy more ASIC, atleast for next month until I shift, its gamble right now, God knows I don't gamble.. Give it another week or 2, won't matter much for the delivery date of those I think. Only be quick once one of them starts delivering, hell will break loose. |
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Actually, bfl under-clocks the chips, in theory they can run at 16Gh/s, but stability and life expectancy would suffer. Just as btcfpga said for their chips btw. There is room for overclocking for sure.
How much room? I thought they can go to 200% but people say they are already overclocked. We will find out, but after delivery probably, by firmware update or whatever is used for it. They just don't want anything to stand in the way of getting the asic out the door asap. What a merry-go-round we're in. The "in theory capable of 16Gh/s" comes from the article in Bitcoin Magazine nov. 4th edition. |
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BFL single has 8 asic chips per cluster.
Their boards and enclosure are already at final stage.
I don't think BFL has enough room to overclock the chips within a safe working enviroment.
The easiest way is give every customers 2 BFL singles for the price of 1.
2 BFL singles*8 asic chips per board=16 asic chips
Same amount chips as the bigger bASIC unit and we are all happy.
No offense Easy2Mine but as much as i'd love 2 Singles for the price of one this isn't going to happen. You should read up a bit more on BFL's actual process and I think you'd realize that BFL shouldn't have an issue bumping up the speeds of their chips to match this... Currently at 7.5GH per chip at 500Mhz and able to generally reach 1Ghz (if there was proper cooling). *From the information that's been given I think it'll just take a firmware tweak to bump it up no problem. I'm certainly no fanboy but I'm quite sure it's not an issue. That said if I can find a way to come up with some more $$ I'd like to pick up a few of Toms bASICs asap. Tom is using the 90nm manufacturing process for his ASICs and will generally use more electricity than BFLs 65nm process thus giving off more heat (in general) but, I think he's doing pretty damn well with what he has, and will be keeping ever other ASIC Company on their respective Toes. I hope we all end up getting more GH/$ because of this as well as keeping our Electric bills a little more reasonable in the near future. Now we just have to keep waiting as there're more delays from both companies because of changes made. I hope they are minor and finish up sooner than later...  BFL already overclock the asics. If they overclock to the maximum, the singles will do 8*10 GH/s=80 GH/s. Not all asic chips will achieve that speed and I don't think they will last long. Despite the smaller manufacturing proces they use, BFL asics seems to run slower per chip. BFL chips are full custom made, I think they have plenty of room to optimize teir design at the next batch. Cablepair is using already proven and optimize design technique. I don't think Cablepair has much room left to clock their chips higher if they want their chips to be reliable. I think he will switch to a smaller proces at the next batch to stay competive. Just my humble opinion. Actually, bfl under-clocks the chips, in theory they can run at 16Gh/s, but stability and life expectancy would suffer. Just as btcfpga said for their chips btw. There is room for overclocking for sure. |
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I hope BFL does NOT try to match this new speed. I'd rather get the new device in my hands first and let them worry about trying to increase the speed later when things have settled down. But competition is a good thing. Congratulations.
Quote BFL_Josh: "We haven't decided specifically which way we want to make things even up with competitors products yet, but we have a lot of options and we will match competitors products that actually ship. We will not leave BFL customers behind the curve when it comes to hardware". |
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That was like a year ago, whats up with the GPU rigs today?
I see alot of people commenting that they aren't going to be buying any [more GPU's] considering they can't make back their investment....in 90 days? (And this is without ASICs in the BTC network)
Now we have spokespeople for one vendor who says some devices may not make it back in 2 years....(that is not insane??)
How do you square that away?
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What is a rough estimate for a 55 to 60Gh/s unit? Around 1 year? (2014?)
It's not even about making back their investments in any period, it is loosing money soon (@3x today's difficulty) even running them! Even a jalapeno will give a roi in 4-6 months, with a 10x difficulty increase and 25btc reward/block at a $/btc ratio as today's. 2 vidcard $800 - 1600 Mh/s - 600W incl.host pc = $60 power Coins Dollars per Day ฿0.48 $5.61 per Week ฿3.34 $39.29 per Month ฿14.52 $170.64 7.5 month roi after power, no roi/loss running @3x difficulty jalapeno $149 - 4500Mh/s - 120W incl.host pc = $12 power Coins Dollars per Day ฿1.34 $15.79 per Week ฿9.40 $110.51 per Month ฿40.84 $479.91 10 days roi after power, no roi/loss running @40x difficulty. Single $1299 - 60000Mh/s -180W incl.host pc = $18 power Coins Dollars per Day ฿17.91 $218.37 per Week ฿125.40 $1,528.62 per Month ฿544.59 $6,638.57 6 days roi, profit even running @200x difficulty Mmm, did I miscalculate somewhere, or should I order some more Singles? |
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You really think you can attract more orders by not delivering, instead of being first delivering? Explain me the logic behind this please? De-nile...a river in Egypt...and so much more. Explain the logic please? Oh wait, you are that one trick troll pony creativex. Yeah I know...everybody that thinks for themselves and doesn't hit their knees whenever a BFL_blah posts is obviously a troll.  Oddly, I was actually agreeing with you and your skepticism with regard to the two posts above yours. Did you just recognize that I don't have a BFL ad in my sig and go on the offensive?  Uhh, no. Apologies offered, but maybe you should have posted your in-denile comment after quoting that 2-posts-above-mine comment, rather than under mine? What do I care about someones existent or non-existent sig, it is more like the anti-bfl sentiment you show in about every bfl thread you post in. Greetings from some "bflite, with sore knees from hitting them". |
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You really think you can attract more orders by not delivering, instead of being first delivering? Explain me the logic behind this please? De-nile...a river in Egypt...and so much more. Explain the logic please? Oh wait, you are that one trick troll pony creativex. |
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@ Slok
At the moment the only problem with the Avalon device is it's electrical use. That alone won't bother people much if you sell it at the beginning when the rate of return and resell value is high.
This won't be a viable sell though if I wait too long to and the margins shrink.
I hope this answered your questions.
It did, thanks for that. Like you said, with the small differences between specs on the Mh/s side, power usage is all when it comes to the point of getting a reasonable fast roi or not. I used 120W for the host pc's for the jalapeno and little SC, but a 20W netbook would suffice, and cut the power usage to run the jalapeno by about 85%, and for the little by 50%. With all the talk of ROI... (and admittedly, my eyes kept blurring out at all of the talk and figures and assumptions), I don't remember exactly what exchange rate people were assuming when working out their ROI numbers to begin with.
So, are people assuming that the price is going to stay the same as they are now?
-- Smoov
Although assuming is the mother of all major fuck ups, at the moments it's all we have. Play around with http://tpbitcalc.appspot.com/? |
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You really think you can attract more orders by not delivering, instead of being first delivering? Explain me the logic behind this please?
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Within the last couple days?
If they did not refund at any request, it would be mentioned here immediately in 6 topics at least, wouldn't it? |
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Did Yochdog already visit BFL?
Take a wild guess bitsnpieces, eh I mean Frizz23 |
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