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I read the entire thread, and others, and I concluded that you are both Werner and Garr, and that you bid your auctions up with a puppet account.
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How trustworthy is your package deliverer? Had any service men or other "strange eyes" in the house lately?
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There's some word mincing in their chip spec. One chip contains 16 engines and the board design released is supposed to support 8 chips. Now I was under the impression that the board design released would only support 2 chips even though there is space for 8 because more than 2 generates enough heat to melt traces. Let me know if I'm incorrect in that assumption.
You are right: from BFL forum shoutbox: BFL-Josh: "The point of us releasing the design stuff wasn't so people can just go make their own BFL stuff... it was so people can make new stuff.". " If you are planning on designing off that Jalapeno board, you should consider different mosfets. Those will overheat with more than 1 chip." . "Even two chips drives those particular mosfets really, really hot." . "Well, I'm not sure I'd drive 300 watts through that board, if that's what you mean..." . "We have a number of 8 chip short board units that have been working for quite awhile, but I wouldn't trust them without some changes and additoinal cooling. With a waterblock you'd probably be golden." |
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To all of you that seem concerned about Garr using a sockpuppet account: I was refreshing this thread constantly when Inaba accused Garr of using a sockpuppet account to post and I never saw that happen. I think Inaba photoshopped the image he used. Think about it a minute. Who constantly snap screenshots so fast that they could catch a posting that couldn't have been here for more than a few seconds.
Are you some noob, if a post is there to see, the beholder can wait hours to take a screenshot, as long as he not refreshes the, in the meantime edited, page. "I can't be real, no, he photo-shopped and uploaded it" yeah in 1minute and 59seconds, brilliant, Watson... What the fuck has happened to your brains folks! |
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It seems Garr's hands are tied behind his back, cut him some slack.
He cannot refute the claims for fear of his orders being cancelled. Cancelled orders would not only hurt him, but his mining company (and investors), and people that have purchased some of his orders.
Stop being silly insisting he explain himself... maybe after his orders are delivered, we can revisit this issue.
But until then, it is heartless to insist he explain himself with the possibility of his order being cancelled if he does.
+1 Garr is being blackmailed with the threat of having his order cancelled to claim ownership of that account. Did you all miss this? Quickly deleted by Garr/Werner but not quickly enough. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236794.msg2517717#msg2517717later replaced by... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236794.msg2517634#msg2517634I am laughing hysterically... This obscene adult is being shown up by a seventeen year old who runs his business flawlessly!!!
Sure, lick yourself if no one else will? "I did not bid up those auctions.", right... |
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Yeah, 300 minus the missing ones from batch one, slowly some batch 2 dripping in. Batch 3, the $8800 ones, hahahaha. Say it again, how a $2499 single won't have a roi, but the $8800 avalon you will get someday, will?
How many jally's did BFL shipped? I don't even want to start with the chip amounts that each company has sold... How the fuck should I know that, want a guess? 500? Chip amounts don't mean shit, sold GH does, so 300+600+600(?) x 66GH/unit = 99TH for Avalon, For Bfl it is easier to count the chips and multiply by 4(GH) or 3, because sold units are unknown, so 70k chips x 4GH/chip = 280TH or 70k x 3GH/chip = 210TH, Fill in what you expect in GH or TH for the loose chips on top of that for Avalon. BFL will probably sell the same TH on top as those 70k chips, as more units and loose chips. If you think Avalon will do better, whoopee, big deal. I think even my next units will be in my hands before Avalon's or BFL's loose sold chips will be build on boards. So far everybody seems to be waiting, whether it is for their Avalons or their BFL units, same boat, different directions, I choose BFL. Have a nice evening. |
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That was 9 months back dumbass.
Yeah. Minirigs and Singles orders are 9 months old, too... Guess they're buried with the ancient truth, now, poor things.  Does this imply you don't have an answer to the price change mechanism of hardware over 9 months time? The poor things are the fools standing by crying, probably because they won't be getting any. Tick tock, here comes my single 60GH/s, moved to production. Sorry, not a lie. We did not have any plans to raise the prices at that time. However, in light of our increased costs due to the power usage, we were forced to raise the price.
Is that for real ? Next you're going to tell people who ordered minirigs that the power usage increase makes it impossible, after all? So you can tell anything today, and tomorrow... "Ooooh, look, the context have changed, so yesterday's truth is over, sorry. But I did not lie, since it was true yesterday." You're very good, Josh, very, very good. That was 9 months back dumbass. Which product, priced 9 months ago, after a major overhaul using twice the amount of original planned chips, twice the board size plus ditto casing and powerbrick, is still at it's original price setting? The Avalon maybe? Oh yeah, that stayed unchanged, I mean, it was ripped of it's power supply, and went up 5 times it's original pricing wasn't it? But Avalon is DELIVERING 66+Ghash while BFL still has PRE-ORDER for their 50Ghash unit after 1 year of development  Avalon's epeen>>>> BFL's epeen Yeah, 300 minus the missing ones from batch one, slowly some batch 2 dripping in. Batch 3, the $8800 ones, hahahaha. Say it again, how a $2499 single won't have a roi, but the $8800 avalon you will get someday, will? Tick tock
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Sorry, not a lie. We did not have any plans to raise the prices at that time. However, in light of our increased costs due to the power usage, we were forced to raise the price.
Is that for real ? Next you're going to tell people who ordered minirigs that the power usage increase makes it impossible, after all? So you can tell anything today, and tomorrow... "Ooooh, look, the context have changed, so yesterday's truth is over, sorry. But I did not lie, since it was true yesterday." You're very good, Josh, very, very good. That was 9 months back dumbass. Which product, priced 9 months ago, after a major overhaul using twice the amount of original planned chips, twice the board size plus ditto casing and powerbrick, is still at it's original price setting? The Avalon maybe? Oh yeah, that stayed unchanged, I mean, it was ripped of it's power supply, and went up 5 times it's original pricing wasn't it? |
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You know well that comment was made to someone who participated in a group buy, which claimed the guy actually handling the financials for that group buy said BFL did, and was never heard of again, .... Has anyone experienced this situation? That BFL forced them to take a refund on their pre-order? I am part of a group that made a decent amount of pre-orders from the the start of pre-order time through to March 2013. The person in charge of the orders informed us at the beginning of May that they had received BFL's ultimatum email that said agree to the current unit specs or get a refund. We were given the impression that this needed within 10 days. We then never heard from the person in charge for about three weeks.
When he did reappear he assured us that BFL had been answered and everything was good, we would be getting our units. Now, as of this morning we are being told that BFL has written us and told us that BFL is forcing us to take a refund on some of our units (all Singles) and that they will not reinstate the orders unless we pay the new higher pricing. the comment right after: BFL is not doing forced refunds on anyone.
Whoever you purchased through is lying to you. Weak, Syke. SLok you really lick ass well. I shall call you lickabatti from here on. Weak, as ever. Frizz23 posting the diagnose his shrink gave after he had nothing left to defend his lies and rigged poll (as an excuse??), Mooc_tals making things up, he has a jalapeno on order that won't make him money, oh no, he cancelled it already, and don't know what to come up with now other than attacks and more lies, that's it? All that was asked;  where's the: had to accept updated delivery costs and many chose not to accept the up in fees.? |
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You know well that comment was made to someone who participated in a group buy, which claimed the guy actually handling the financials for that group buy said BFL did, and was never heard of again, .... Has anyone experienced this situation? That BFL forced them to take a refund on their pre-order? I am part of a group that made a decent amount of pre-orders from the the start of pre-order time through to March 2013. The person in charge of the orders informed us at the beginning of May that they had received BFL's ultimatum email that said agree to the current unit specs or get a refund. We were given the impression that this needed within 10 days. We then never heard from the person in charge for about three weeks.
When he did reappear he assured us that BFL had been answered and everything was good, we would be getting our units. Now, as of this morning we are being told that BFL has written us and told us that BFL is forcing us to take a refund on some of our units (all Singles) and that they will not reinstate the orders unless we pay the new higher pricing. the comment right after: BFL is not doing forced refunds on anyone.
Whoever you purchased through is lying to you. Weak, Syke. |
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BFL states all pre-orders till now should be out before august-start September (90 days quoted). An assumption, I know, but your figures, whether it be delivery dates or difficulty figures, are all assumptions, with assumptions made on the outcome of assumptions.
Hence the over 100% difference it your 2 difficulty predictions for 12-2013.
By your same assumptions, any ASIC device that is not delivered within a couple of weeks is a waste of money. I've shown what the monthly revenue and "pay for itself" time for a unit with BFL's GH/s and price tag is, with the maximum difficulty you set for 12-2013, and if received in 12-2013. It looked good.
I can only conclude your whole warning is useless FUD.
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Lies, upon lies, upon lies. I never deleted or edited 1 single post here, or anywhere else.
I provided evidence that you - delete your old posting - dox forum users. I on the other hand asked you several times to provide evidence for your outrageous accusations (" ...You tried to cancel orders that weren't yours, you tried to get refunds for orders that weren't yours. ..."). Your reply: Silence. Now you come complaining that I rednosed a picture of you ...
Can you even read? I didn't complain about the photos/rednosing - I complained about your lies. This is what I wrote: " I don't mind that you put photos online - but at least don't lie about it and don't deny your doxing attempts". ... that was floating on the forum already ...
It was floating around because you've been the one that put it online. Of course you deleted the evidence (oh no, in your twisted reality the evil moderators did it). Slok, all I want to say to you is this: Like attracts like. A shady company like BFL attracts shady, psychopathic fanboys like yourself.I have provided enough evidence to proof that you are lying. I'm not gonna waste any more time on you. Lie 1: There is no evidence that I deleted my old post because I didn't. Here is the PM "bitcoin forum" sent after that post was removed, because of the picture in it: Bitcoin Forum Guest Deleted Post « Sent to: SLok on: May 17, 2013, 03:01:02 PM » « You have forwarded or responded to this message. » Reply with quoteReply with quote Remove this messageRemove A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Quote Cool! Pictures! How is that BFL refund coming along, Supertramp? http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y215/daargaje/planetFrizzS_zpsaec2d172.pngThe fact that a post was removed, does not absolutely mean it was removed by the user, posts are deleted here by mods too, you see. Your provided evidence is worth nothing in this case, because it doesn't exist. Let me help you a bit more with an inbox screenshot, you like screenshots don't you?:  lie 2: The post with your picture was placed before, with it you were also attacked about something that was apparently on your fb page or elsewhere about some Krishnamurty being a narcissist, look it up yourself. I can not see anything on fb pages because I don't have fb, but I told you that already. lie 3: You know well that the topics you made at the bfl forum asking for cancellation and payback were removed, after a BFL moderator found that the order numbers you provided were non-paid orders or non existent. After being confronted you started raging and posting sexist homophobic rants and anti_Semite shit which lead to that. You know them well, the lot knows them well, that's why I said "anyone that has been around longer than a blue Monday knows what your trade is...". lie 4: "I never made extra accounts here on bctalk", I already remembered 9 here you made twice, for this and the bfl forum without doing a search... You are a fraud, your poll is a fraud. So, don't waste any more time on me, fine, but expect to get the attention you ask for when you keep posting your lies. |
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31-Dec 15.00% 222,095,805
At that diff. and current $/btc, a 60GH/s single priced $1299 will make $450/month, pays itself back in 13 weeks, At that diff. and current $/btc, a 50GH/s single priced $2499 will make $373/month, pays itself back in 29 weeks, good enough for me. Your math is flawed. Assuming the difficult continue to grow at 7.5% per week, your earning from 60GH will be: $450 - 1st month $315 - 2nd month $220 - 3rd month $154 - 4th month $107 - 5th month $75 - 6th month Summing that up, and it will take 6 months or 24 weeks to earn back your $1299. For the 50g/h at $2499, you will never make back your investment (and if you think bitcoin price will shoot up to $1000/btc.. you might as well spend the 2499 and buy the BTC today). That's assuming late shipping of Dec 2013. Obviously, if you can receive the machine earlier, there will be some decent profit for both machine. Can you add the expected difficulty to the $xxx-xmonth list? like $450 - 1st month at diff. = $315 - 2nd month etc. $220 - 3rd month $154 - 4th month $107 - 5th month $75 - 6th month Unfortunately the "BitForce 25 GH/s SC" from Butterfly Labs priced at $1,249 plus shipping only hashes at 25 GH/s, not 60 GH/s. BFL products can be viewed on following pages: https://products.butterflylabs.com/New customers thinking of buying mining rigs from BFL are warned that orders placed today are unlikely to obtain their Return on Investment. At that diff. and current $/btc, a 60GH/s single priced $1299 will make $450/month, pays itself back in 13 weeks,
At that diff. and current $/btc, a 50GH/s single priced $2499 will make $373/month, pays itself back in 29 weeks,
good enough for me.
What has "Unfortunately the "BitForce 25 GH/s SC" from Butterfly Labs priced at $1,249 plus shipping only hashes at 25 GH/s, not 60 GH/s." to do with it? I'm was giving you the calculations for the 50GH/s and 60GH/s Single, not the LITTLE Single, at your own assumed 222mill. diff. for 12-2013, see what you quoted.... Besides that, the 25GH/s has the same payback time as the 50GH/s since it is half the price of a 50GH/s unit, so it would still be ~29 weeks, at your assumed 222mill. diff. edit: for clearance: the 60GH/s units were always priced $1299, as shown in my calculations: a 60GH/s single priced $1299. The 50GH/s units were introduced with an overall price change, at $2499, with the Little Single going from 30GH/s @ $699 to 25GH/s @ $1249. |
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Funny. IF those are Global Foundries chips... why did they ever wait for shipments from China?
They did not? |
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The calculator you use only has one level of difficulty. As mentioned in the OP, "Unlike the calculators used by the BFL and others which use only one level of difficulty the reality is that they increase dramatically throughout the year. A lot of people have been fooled by this and thought that they were on their way to retirement just by purchasing an order of mining equipment." One has to take into account increasing difficulty each 2016 blocks roughly each two weeks to calculate the break even point as well as factoring in pool and power costs. What appears profitable at the beginning will change completely after each jump, in part demonstrated by the recent 28.4% jump in the last difficulty level. Some mining calculators have started to include a factor for estimated difficulty level changes which is a great help to mining investors. I hope your units arrive soon. With maths like yours I can understand how BFL manages to sell so many pre-orders.  If you received delivery in January 2014 could not possibly make a profit on your investment of $2,499 as at 220,095,805 difficulty you will be earning around only $15.10 per day, reducing to $13.10 11th Jan 2014 , $9.99 at 2nd Feb 2014, and $4.90 at 29th March 2014, $2.50 at 23rd May and will have future increases in difficulty to overcome over the next 29 weeks. I hope you have an earlier pre-order, so at least you can make some reasonable money. 31-Dec 15.00% 222,095,805
At that diff. and current $/btc, a 60GH/s single priced $1299 will make $450/month, pays itself back in 13 weeks, At that diff. and current $/btc, a 50GH/s single priced $2499 will make $373/month, pays itself back in 29 weeks, good enough for me. Fill in 222 for the 15 mil. difficulty, like you suggested in your op, for December 2013, what does it give? If you think I will take your math over that, think again. In you don't think a unit ordered today will arrive before 2014, don't order. I will as soon as the coins from my units roll in. And frankly, any place in the order queue not taken before me = better. What do you mean with "one level of difficulty", that it shows the current difficulty only? Did you replace the 15605632.6813 diff. on that calculator by diff. 222605632.6813, filled in the hash rate and clicked calculate? Don't you agree with it's outcome, for that diff.?? If one takes your lower December 2013 number, 95442632 diff., it would be $1037 and $865 /month for the 60GH/s and 50GH/s models, btw. |
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The sig, you asked that many times, obviously annoys you, that's the pay I get for it!
You are sick Slok, you know that? True, because you did. You bolstered that you tracked down my identity / doxed me [note: after me posting on BFLs Facebook page as 'Frizz Supertramp' ... you must be a real mastermind. not]. And you wrote that you sent messages to all my Facebook contacts and warned them about me.
So show me where I did that what you accuse me of, the red part, behavior that I detest btw.
Slok, you quite frequently delete old messages to destroy evidence (very lame bahavior imho). I should have made a screenshot when you bolstered contacting my Facebook contacts - but I did not know back then what a coward you are. Wanna have an example? Here: Cool! Pictures! How is that BFL refund coming along, Supertramp?
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author=SLok link=topic=150803. msg2174566#msg2174566 date=1368746560 msg2174566 was yours - now it's gone. But it seems you feel more save on BFL forums - and feel less need to delete your postings. Like this one here, your continuous doxing efforts:  You also forgot to delete one of your postings on Bitcointalk. I don't mind that you put photos online - but at least don't lie about it and don't deny your doxing attempts:  Believe what you will, I say he lies, ...
So who's the liar now? And now I ask you again: Please provide some evidence four your outrageous accusation: You tried to cancel orders that weren't yours, you tried to get refunds for orders that weren't yours.
You pretended being a customer that had his orders lost, being refused a refund after requesting for it, you post pulled out of context BFL statements and bend them to your will, you make up accusations with falsified facts, dates and figures.
I am sick? Remember your asshamster sig? That was sick. About that deleted "nice, pictures" post, that was removed by a moderator, probably on your request? It is here: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y215/daargaje/planetFrizzS_zpsaec2d172.pngyou quite frequently delete old messages[/color][/b] to destroy evidence (very lame bahavior imho). I should have made a screenshot when you bolstered contacting my Facebook contacts - but I did not know back then what a coward you are. Lies, upon lies, upon lies. I never deleted or edited 1 single post here, or anywhere else. Stop making things up Frizz, I never contacted your contacts, who ever that may be, or bolstered to do so. Look elsewhere on this forum, maybe one of the many people you doxed or insulted over time? Now you come complaining that I rednosed a picture of you that was floating on the forum already, as a reaction to you rednosing and doxing other people like that Dobbins guy? |
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With maths like yours I can understand how BFL manages to sell so many pre-orders. If you received delivery in January 2014 could not possibly make a profit on your investment of $2,499 as at 220,095,805 difficulty you will be earning around only $15.10 per day, reducing to $13.10 11th Jan 2014 , $9.99 at 2nd Feb 2014, and $4.90 at 29th March 2014, $2.50 at 23rd May and will have future increases in difficulty to overcome over the next 29 weeks. I hope you have an earlier pre-order, so at least you can make some reasonable money. 31-Dec 15.00% 222,095,805
At that diff. and current $/btc, a 60GH/s single priced $1299 will make $450/month, pays itself back in 13 weeks, At that diff. and current $/btc, a 50GH/s single priced $2499 will make $373/month, pays itself back in 29 weeks, good enough for me. Fill in 222 for the 15 mil. difficulty, like you suggested in your op, for December 2013, what does it give? If you think I will take your math over that, think again. In you don't think a unit ordered today will arrive before 2014, don't order. I will as soon as the coins from my units roll in. And frankly, any place in the order queue not taken before me = better. |
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Hey slok How much do you get paid for an ad? I would like to try it.
I don't think my Jala will make much soon at it is already going down to 14 dollars a day in 2 weeks after re-target.
It pays me.......nothing. So don't bother. $14 a day is $420 a month, on a $149 or $249 investment. If you find a better investment, do the community a favor and let them know. |
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Slok, your postings are, as usual, full of half-truths - and blatant lies. Frizz23, aka Frizz Supertramp, you have over 50 accounts under different names here, ...
I did open quite a few accounts over the past few months - not on Bitcointalk, but on BFL forums. Because as soon I post some inconvenient facts my messages get censored & my account gets deleted. Game of cat and mouse. I hope I saved at least some poor souls from falling for their "Order Now" & "in 14 days from now" scam. ... your poll is a fraud, because I'm sure you used the lot to vote "yes".
And I am sure a lot of you BFL shills voted "no" with all your fake accounts. So what? I'd be quite happy if one of the Mods could publish a list of all the users that participated in that poll. You tried to cancel orders that weren't yours, you tried to get refunds for orders that weren't yours.
You pretended being a customer that had his orders lost, being refused a refund after requesting for it, you post pulled out of context BFL statements and bend them to your will, you make up accusations with falsified facts, dates and figures.
Blatant lies. IMHO you see a "Frizz" in each and every "suspicious" account - and blame it all on me. Paranoid much? I challenge you: Provide some evidence for your accusations. If you prefer to continue this dispute publicly, feel free to do so. But please open a new thread for it - because the topic of this one is whether or not BFL should get a scammer tag. You even accused me of harassing your family, falsely.
True, because you did. You bolstered that you tracked down my identity / doxed me [note: after me posting on BFLs Facebook page as 'Frizz Supertramp' ... you must be a real mastermind. not]. And you wrote that you sent messages to all my Facebook contacts and warned them about me.
Quite some psychopathic behavior if I may say so. By the way: What to think of someone with a signature like yours:  Mentally disordered fanboy? Or paid shill ... So show me where I did that what you accuse me of, the red part, behavior that I detest btw. You made most accounts in duplo, on the bfl forum and here. Willing to donate a btc to this forum for every account you made besides the Frizz23 one? Appotomax? BitsnPieces? BFL_Mitt? BFL_Obama? BFL_Labrat? Radacoin? Inabra? Cpt. Nemo? Etcetera.... The sig, you asked that many times, obviously annoys you, that's the pay I get for it! True, because you did. You bolstered that you tracked down my identity / doxed me [note: after me posting on BFLs Facebook page as 'Frizz Supertramp' ... you must be a real mastermind. not]. And you wrote that you sent messages to all my Facebook contacts and warned them about me.
Ugh. Doxing and harassing IRL is never cool. Poor form, SLok Believe what you will, I say he lies, he may now show where he based this on: And you wrote that you sent messages to all my Facebook contacts and warned them about me., and what information that was not already known and posted on this forum I doxed him with. I do not use facebook, I don't follow BFL's facebook, or anyone else's. |
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sounds like i wont be getting 64ghashs
