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901  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What happens if someone buys all existing bitcoins and destroys them? on: February 14, 2013, 04:39:15 PM
Just hypothetical. Do you not think behind closed doors in some government office they have sat down and discussed what it would take to get rid of bitcoin?

I'd imagine there are quite a few more government offices where they have talked behind closed doors about how they could fund their favored sides in Narco wars and insurrections with bitcoin. For all of the idealogical wrangling about what the Fed and bankers think, I bet the three letter agencies probably either love or want to love this shit.

Not to mention the legislators and officials who would like another way to "fundraise" under less scrutiny.
902  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: gtx 460 (768mb) profitability in mining TODAY on: February 14, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
Yes, I am a noob, and haven't started mining yet. I am trying to find out if mining on my dual EVGA GTX 460 rig would make a profit. I have found forums about it but they are all from like 2011 and I know that something changed with difficulty or something last month, so it is impossible to find up to date information on my cards. I also know that depending on the pool I join my return could vary.

In Baltimore I think I pay like 8.98 cents per K/hr. And I am pretty sure each of my cards would make like 60-70 mHash/sec

I don't need to know exactly how much I could make, but does anyone know if it would be worth my time to bitcoin mine for profit? Or is there just no chance because of difficulty and my cards being Nvidia?

thanks

I don't suggest this often, but maybe try mining litecoin and trading those for BTC. The NVIDIA-AMD gap is a bit closer there, because scrypt won't penalize you as much for having less cores but more sophisticated cores. You probably still wouldn't profit, but you could acquire some coin.
903  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Does anyone still want to invest on ASIC? We need a coordinator and copartner on: February 14, 2013, 04:26:22 PM
We are planning to gather 10,000 BTC  from 1000 shareholders for ASIC mining in a much lower price.

Is anyone interested in this? Please join us if your written and oral English is very good.

We are technique guys and not good at communicate with customers in English.

Any contacts please send msg to me.

We are located in China.

My Skype is: minease


I'm also looking to start an ASIC mining initiative, though mine is a bit different. The details for a different kind of ASIC are here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140476.0

There is little money to be made with the ASIC I am suggesting, but it should be a fun time.

thanks for your kind reply, but your post looks like a joke. but we are not joking, sorry.

It's not really a joke, but it is different. I'm looking to host a celebration of bitcoin sometime next year by opening an event where people can come together and build a single ASIC loop while enjoying beer and BBQ.

What you are looking to do, build an ASIC business without any capital. That might be a joke. If you had the capital and a quote from a foundry to produce at least one wafer's worth of chips on a 90nm (preferably 65nm) or smaller process. Are you planning to write up your own SHA-2 core or are you just going to license a standard IP core (the latter is probably recommended).

There are questions you already need to have answered if you want people to buy in at per sale while you are trying to raise in total capital, a figure that while it might be feasible is probably going to be a bit light for the task at hand.
904  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BTC-E should support a wider variety of Alt-Coins: TRC, PPC, FRC on: February 14, 2013, 04:06:35 PM
While everyone here knows I'm partial to TRC, I think BTC-E should make an effort in light of this NVC scandal to support a wider array of alt-coins. It's clear there is support for TRC, PPC and to some degree FRC (although the FRC'ers kinda have their own forum and not sure if they really care what we are doing here). How hard would it be to add these coins to the exchange? If they don't want to bother with more buttons, why can't they give us a sub-exchange- even RUC has it's own hidden exchange running.

Maybe you should see if Kumala would be willing to put TRC on Vircurex. I use them for my Devcoin and Namecoin trading. When their BTC balance was wiped by RoR he covered losses out of his pocket. Trading activity can be a bit sporadic, but massive amounts of BTC/LTC trades have happened there. They already carry PPCoin, and who really cares about FRC anymore. I'd not open a FRC exchange because the 80% to the foundation is a trading hazard.

905  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What happens if someone buys all existing bitcoins and destroys them? on: February 14, 2013, 03:53:57 PM
I only used "twice the ratio" as a theoretical example. In reality of course it would be more like 2%, but that's not the point.


I doubt anyone is moving exchanges over 2%...

wtfvanity has a more realistic account of what a malicious and well healed actor could do to Bitcoin.
906  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: A letter to Advanced Micro Device on: February 14, 2013, 03:46:44 PM
Dear 0.01% of customer base:

No


Bitcoin has attracted AMD's attention:  http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/7000/7970/Pages/radeon-7970.aspx

Fold and mine faster than ever with AMD App Acceleration powered by the unprecedented 28nm GCN Architecture.6

Pretty much this. They know and care to a point. That point is they will acknowledge mining in their marketing and probably not drastically alter their chip architecture to be like Nvidia and suddenly suck at mining, because that would be too much R&D. Will they release dedicated mining cards that are less capable on the graphics side, no.
907  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Some questions about transaction fees on: February 14, 2013, 03:40:36 PM
Is it possible to just be a transaction miner that processes lots of transactions instead of trying to mine blocks?

Not really. Processing transactions and mining blocks are pretty much the same thing, or at least you can't process transactions without mining blocks.

Every pool handles fees differently. Some pools keep the fees and split the entire block reward as a way support the pool others split the fees and reward but take out a higher percentage of the pot (subsidy+tx fees) to support the pool.
908  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What happens if someone buys all existing bitcoins and destroys them? on: February 14, 2013, 03:35:51 PM
Am I right in saying that the network updates itself if the coins disappear anyway? I'm not sure if you could destroy them.

You could destroy them by sending them to a black hole address with an unknown private key. They'd stay destroyed for all practical purposes for at least a century or two.
909  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What I'm starting to feel about BTC on: February 14, 2013, 03:28:48 PM
my question is... couldn't i make multibit keys with randomly generated private keys and hope some of them were actual accounts and then empty them? or are the .key files more complex than that?
I am not even sure I am I even correctly backing up my multibit? I only have 0.0024 in it, but if I cant figure out how to secure and back up the thing, 0.0024 is all I plan to lose on this sketchy interface. Bitcoin seems like a really good idea, but people who don't necessarily have post graduate levels of proficiency in scripting have got to be able to use it too. unless its more meant to be a kind of exclusive programmer's "thing"

...

I'm rambling, I know, but that is why I have decided to not invest in BTC. In all likelyhood the price will adjust to under 10$ USD and then gradually taper off to nothing as enthusiasm wanes and easier to use models are ushered out by banks willing to provide it for the escrow alone. The market that is core to BTC up this point are tech types. It is a big sector but it is only so big, and honestly, any tech guy worth his salt could make a hella lot more the old fashioned way (skilled labor and hard work) The rest of us haven't got time for this shit.
Still fascinating to watch though.

Just wait till MultiBit gets deterministic wallets or you play with Armory and its paper backups.

MultiBit's what I use for most things and it is the client I introduce my fellow liberal arts graduate friends to when they want to get into betting with bitcoin. Mostly because it is because we are silly 20-somethings who like to bet on sports and Pope-ing.

I'll admit that a move back to the $10/BTC range is not unlikely, but a tapering to zero just probably isn't happening. A lot of the value that supports it to the $10 dollar range is dead simple gray-market online gambling from the United States as well as other uses that current payment systems are inadequate for.

There's also quite a bit of a learning curve to the software, but honestly if you managed to back up and restore your wallet, then for most people you've gone through what would be the worst of it. The next hurdle is keeping malware off your computer.

You also might was well post a BTC address in your signature and see what happens. It's hard to get excited about something when you have to measure what you have down to the third decimal place. I didn't really start caring about it till I had amounts I could reasonably count in whole numbers (except for when I mined about 150 in 2009 and was like fuck this shit).
910  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: A different kind of ASIC on: February 14, 2013, 02:58:12 PM
Update!

Right now I am thinking of a tentative date for the weekend of April 4-6th, 2014 for the "Different kind of ASIC Celebration of the Coin."

Like all ASIC endeavours anticipate a delay, 2014 was chosen largely for the purpose of incorporating a delay. The next few weeks I'm going to look into what kind of hardware it would take to actually do this. My first post in this thread was the result of just some drunken posting, but the idea has been growing on me. Especially the BBQ part.
911  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Does anyone still want to invest on ASIC? We need a coordinator and copartner on: February 14, 2013, 02:48:34 PM
We are planning to gather 10,000 BTC  from 1000 shareholders for ASIC mining in a much lower price.

Is anyone interested in this? Please join us if your written and oral English is very good.

We are technique guys and not good at communicate with customers in English.

Any contacts please send msg to me.

We are located in China.

My Skype is: minease


I'm also looking to start an ASIC mining initiative, though mine is a bit different. The details for a different kind of ASIC are here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140476.0

There is little money to be made with the ASIC I am suggesting, but it should be a fun time.
912  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What happens if someone buys all existing bitcoins and destroys them? on: February 14, 2013, 02:39:36 PM
The total value of all bitcoins currently is several hundred million USD. That is pocket change for some bank or government who would wish to destroy bitcoin. What would stop them, to open an exchange of bitcoins into USD, with twice the ratio as all other exchangers, and then never spend (or destroy) all acquired bitcoins, until there are none, or a really small amount left in circulation? I realize this would drive the price of the remaining bitcoins way up, but wouldn't it destroy the bitcoin system, if only say 0,1% of 21 million possible bitcoins actually existed (and that number would be constantly decreasing)?

Not really, they'd just destroy the ones they get.

The bigger problem is that market inertia is going to prevent much volume from going to this new exchange. Bitcoin to USD exchanges are a fairly saturated market (BTC to USD money changers are a different topic), and because it has been around so long without getting hacked or running away with all of the bitcoins Mt Gox is currently king of the market.

A new exchange that payed doubled the Gox price for bitcoins would almost immediately be flagged as a scam. Even if someone or some people big on the WOT start vouching and shilling for it, they are probably going to hear cries that they are scammers too.

A few people might take the jump though, and this exchange might build some trust after enough people sell on there then buy back on Mt Gox. The problem is that if some people started putting effort into this, it would start a feedback loop and the Gox price would start climbing fast. At some point though the new double price exchange is probably going to fold, because trying to destroy bitcoins at $200, $500, or $1000 won't be pocket change. Note this scenario only works if they get anyone to trust them with bitcoins in the first place.

There are a good number of people though who have at least some portion of their coins that they aren't cashing out of at any price.
913  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is selling Runescape accounts/gold for BTC unheard of or banned? on: February 12, 2013, 04:01:11 PM
Thanks, I meant banned here.

I doubt you'll get banned here for selling anything at all as long as it isn't highly illegal and you aren't scamming people

Ok, awesome, Thanks!

There was a bit of a dustup a while back about someone selling hacked newsbin accounts.

As long as you don't sell hacked accounts or anything that would get reversed after you sell it, things should go well for you.
914  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Trolling Something Awful Competition on: February 12, 2013, 03:57:20 PM
I'm in!

I'm reading your tagline and wondering when you bought arXiv
915  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Jalapeno coins per day in a few months? on: February 11, 2013, 03:30:20 PM
I'd say you'd average at around 0.03BTC per day, if you're lucky.

Well, that's disappointing. Then it's much more convenient to simply buy bitcoins Sad

Generally that's almost always the case.

Well, that's a pity. I was willing to invest on the stability of the network, while getting a few bitcoins in exchange. I don't want to make a profit, nor to convert the BTC to fiat, but at least I would like to recoup the investment in BTC in a reasonable timing. The truth is that, if it's true that is more convenient to buy than to mine, I don't understand the mining profitability charts I've seen (almost 20% monthly ROI? WTF?), and the amount of people preordering ASIC like crazy.

In the long run netting 0.03 BTC per day from a small mining investment like a Jalapeno, probably isn't a bad investment. It will add up to something over time, and people run much more expensive GPUs for less. Investing in the security of the network and getting some ROI is a good reason to get something like a Jalapeno, but at this point it shouldn't be long before they are ready to start shipping so waiting for that milestone is probably worth it to avoid paying for vaporware. Preordering now would probably stick you near the back of the cue anyway, so waiting until they cut through that a bit and can give you a more solid shipping date would be a prudent move.

Future mining profitability charts at this point are making a lot of assumptions, because they have to. Investing in a more powerful mining apparatus might help a bit in that 0.03 looks so small, then again $150 is awfully small as well for a money minting machine. The important things you need to weigh are your definitions of recouping the investment and a reasonable frame of time.
916  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: quantum mining test on: February 11, 2013, 02:37:06 PM
LOL., that whole global conciousness experiment at princeton is complete bullshit.
They look for fluctuations in random number generators at the time some big event happens.
But they fail to check if these fluctuations also occur when the big event doesnt happen.
This experiment and it claims should make any statistician cry and is a disgrace for the scientific community.
Based on the experiment setup they can never ever claim what they do.

They don't even exclude stuff like power fluctuations that could make a chip produce slightly different values.
There is just sooo much wrong with this particular experiment.


Tenure is a hell of a drug.
917  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Jalapeno coins per day in a few months? on: February 11, 2013, 02:35:20 PM
I'd say you'd average at around 0.03BTC per day, if you're lucky.

Well, that's disappointing. Then it's much more convenient to simply buy bitcoins Sad

Generally that's almost always the case.
918  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Litecoin ? on: February 11, 2013, 02:10:13 PM
"Miners switching to litecoin" is different from "litecoin will be more popular"



Very important point here.
919  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: hello on: February 11, 2013, 02:08:28 PM
New to the Forums.  A friend turned me on to bitcoins.  He said I should join here and plan to spend some time looking around.  Any good suggestions?

I'd suggest reading the scam accusations boards.It will give you an idea of some things to watch out for. Gambling tends to be interesting to as it tends to host some of the most reliable businesses.

I'll also throw this out there for if you already have some bitcoins BitBet

If you need coins though and are willing to spend some time earning a few instead of buying Rugatu is one of the better sites to get "free" coins.
920  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: PicoStocks, bitcoin stock exchange on: February 08, 2013, 01:19:41 AM
It is more expensive to create hardware that anybody can use and has an attractive look as well :-) I also believe that there are some people who don't want to worry about power/network stability and prefer to have others manage the mining equipment. But for larger investors we offer hardware instead of mining shares. I still believe the shares are a better investment because of simplified exit.

There are still people who buy ThinkPads for the aesthetics.
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