Thanks for the honorable mention theymos.

This was fun, I liked that it felt more interactive this year. I regret spending all my fBTC too early before a lot of the listings came out.. then I got stuck trying to get rid of the one's I bought. IIWII. Fun nonetheless!

A sapta-IV staff fNFT at 3000 BTC.. and still no takers??   come on rich people.. stop being so damn stingy. lol  
nothing worse than a fBTC hodler!  

edit: I'm joking, of course, but seriously.. would it help if I told you possessing a staff fNFT could potentially unlock feelings of peace, love and happiness within yourselves? .. Just sayin .. it could be true. I feel it. 

I'd like to call out gmaxwell on the obvious use of political forum power (or PFP^TM) to sell his NFTs. 

I'd bet if gmaxwell merely mentioned, in any of his posts, a listing for.. let's say.. a Dabs-V, at the cheap price of 6000BTC2500BTC (recently dropped!) in one of his posts, it would probably sell in less than an hour!   

Come on people... buy, buy, buy! .. need my BTC back. I messed up and spent it all.

BPIP changed ownership over a year ago!
Besides, Vod has NFCT's, I doubt he wants an fNFT.  

I'm not sure if it creates any liabilities for the forum or not to offer this as a built-in feature, I'd guess it is probably not a good idea from a security perspective. But it is fairly easy to do it on most browsers by right-clicking, inspecting the element, and changing the <input type="password"* to <input type="text"* and the password will display. A few steps but shouldn't be too hard to script a plugin or something if you really wanted it.  

You should also avoid cut/copy & pasting passwords, as the 'clipboard' in your machine is definitely not a secure place for a password.

It was posted on the 5oz minted seats thread, which I'm a part of:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=826527.msg56430671#msg56430671

I've done the analysis already on breaking out line-by-line where the costs went, including the seats, I just haven't posted it to avoid piling onto my posts in this thread.

To summarize my 1.65BTC payment, if we exclude the metal cost at the time (.41BTC), it leaves .62BTC going to NastyMining and .62BTC donation to NastyFans.
(disclaimer: I'd assume Og gets a piece of this .62 to NastyFans as well due to his ~1,200+ seats at the time, but I have no time to verify this amount and it may not be relevant here anyway.)

Out of the .62 to NastyMining, ~.27BTC in 'expenses', which included the seat "costs". At the time, 5 seats by themselves would have been sold for .102BTC.

Personally, I see .35BTC going to NastyMining.
But feel free to calculate using the raw seat price for 5 seats in 2015, .102BTC total.

Regardless of what number you want to use at this point, here is what has been received:
06-26-2015  0.00119760
08-07-2015  0.00126795
11-06-2015   0.00106160
01-08-2016  0.00102240
06-16-2016  0.00119575
06-19-2016   0.00162045
04-15-2017   0.00113970
11-19-2017   0.00100070
nothing at the coin's address in 2018 or 2019 or 2020 or 2021
Total received: 0.00950615 BTC
Ref: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1NASTY1Cerr1M7CU4RyV9yxsbq28TWkKKp

This is a 125% "ROI"  


We could all hold BTC. When did NastyMining turn into a no interest savings account?

The only major expanding that seemed to happen was relating to home improvements and exercise equipment for alternative energy sources... apparently to power all the miners we were not expanding on.

Disclaimer: Post below was originally posted Friday, and deleted a few hours later, due to the fact that some of what I said I was posting from memory recall, and wanted to re-confirm I wasn't misunderstanding any of our prior discussions. After looking through prior stuff, *again*, I don't believe I was misinterpreting anything.

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OK, 1st sentence is a fair point, maybe a bad example I used.. But then you go on to add in a bunch of BS to create a false narrative and deflect from the main point I was making, which is you claiming a 125% "ROI" on an investment, when it doesn't exist.
Also a fun fact: You've never once described the difference of a "custodian of someone's funds" and "accepting someone's funds as a payment for an item". I'm not even sure why you would have ever talked to me about that, as it would have had nothing to do with any of our dealings.) 
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You question me on the comparison above, while you compare an investment to a "payment for an item". Or comparing "someone raising money to buy a GPU miner today, then 9 years from now they have a million dollars" to an organization that takes in funds for seats/shares for a % of a mining operation which provides BTC returns to the coin's address and claims 6 years later they have 125% "ROI" when they don't.

The payment did come with a physical asset or "item", but it also included a long-term investment of NastyFans shares/seats, essentially getting a % of a BTC mining operation, which promised weekly BTC returns to the coin's address and included a built-in donation to OgNasty/NastyMining as part of the payment.

Maybe I just [stupidly] took you at your word back then, because I thought you were an honest guy, and I had more trust in your word back then. But at the end of the day, they were your words. I've tried to just accept you have a condition that, when facing adversity, isn't conducive to being logical and usually comes with rage, so I'm not sure there is really anyway I could ever get through to you.

Regardless of all that, to me it seems unethical and dishonest to claim 125% "ROI" because BTC's value went up.

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Another disclaimer: I saw a response to the post above on my phone over the weekend, some time after I deleted my post. It seemed like Og was arguing over the purchasing power of the seats and trying to state that I am not acknowledging the value of seats has dropped because the value of BTC went up. I'll let OgNasty speak for himself, but in my point of view, the value of seats have dropped because NastyMining hasn't been able to keep up with the difficulty and generate enough BTC to sustain substantial long-term BTC growth for NastyFans.

Instead of having a leader who acknowledges any of this and maybe seeks ways to address the shortfalls, instead he wants to claim a 125% "ROI", which gives the appearance the seats have been a successful BTC investment, and he can just put the feather in his cap and walk on... which doesn't sit well with me. I can't tell if this is some sort of a sales tactic for new members, or a way to absolve any prior obligations about making a prior investor whole.

I believe I've answered this in the prior post. And, your FPGA example does not represent what you've setup here with NastyMining/NastyFans. But, if you really need me to entertain your irrelevant example, let's adjust it to you paying BTC for the FPGA. Unless that FPGA makes its BTC back, it was a bad BTC investment, and you probably should have just kept the BTC.

I stated that you said your goal (NastyMining) was to get BTC in the hands of NastyFans. Nice play on words though.

In case you were too lazy to go back through our PMs, you definitely said it. Unlike you, I don't make things up, never have.. and I don't intend to start now.



You seem to be able to comprehend BTC for BTC when it favors you. How would you have felt if nicehash would have just returned the current USD rate in 2020 for BTC funds stolen in 2017?

Still seems odd when you say it has "exceeded every expectation I ever had for it".. considering you stated your expectations to me were to "get BTC into the hands of NastyFans". It's an odd statement because you have taken more BTC from me than you've given back... so which is it.. are you trying to get BTC into the hands of NastyFans, or USD?  Or does it even matter.. considering, in your head, you can apparently spin either scenario into a "success"?

Well, I don't get paid for sig spamming.

You can't cancel me, Og.

In respect to this investment, I would care just as much as I care about it rising in value. Like I said, it's nice BTC is doing what I expected it to do. And if it was falling in value, I'd be disappointed BTC isn't doing what I expected it to do. But you don't get to claim credit, or take blame, for either.

I always expected BTC to eventually go up in USD value from where it was when I spent it here in 2015. I just assumed, as you had stated then, your "cause" was to get "BTC" into the hands of NastyFans. So, yes, my expectation of what would be considered a "ROI" here is going to be in BTC return terms.

Then don't claim a "ROI" of 125% USD return on a BTC investment into a fanclub seat backed by a mining operation which mines BTC. Seems like this is boasting about its success, based on a currency's value going up, which you have no control over.

Indeed.  


IMO, it's also unethical to make a [gloating] claim that coins, or seats, have "ROI"'d due to a BTC/USD value increase.

I was not looking for a USD return on a BTC investment which was backed by a mining operation that mines BTC and promised weekly BTC returns.. or "distributions".
But sure, let's start converting it to USD whenever it benefits Og. (/sarcasm)   .. Josh/Inaba/BFL tried this at one point as well ..  

It's definitely nice BTC has done what it was expected to do, but OgNasty doesn't get credit for that. I know I certainly had always been interested in a BTC return with this venture.. but anyway, I digress.

To be fair, I guess this guy seems happy with the USD announcement:


Although, it seems like an odd statement to me when following an announcement about a USD return with these seats/coins.. when you consider if this guy had not kept all 3 of the coins and sold it back for BTC, or even just the seats.. at practically any point in the past.. he'd have a much higher return in USD. So why he's glad he kept them..? *shrug*  To each his own, I guess.    


I'd guess you were told countless times it was impossible because you'll never ROI on what was actually invested, BTC.

"Congrats to all the owners"  
.. More like Congrats to BTC for rising in value and giving Og something to create a false narrative around.

Out of the ones I missed, I'm disappointed I messed up [censored]'s spelling. Was trying to go fast..  
Overall a pretty interesting quiz though!

I'd agree with this. I had not had a huge amount of interaction with TECSHARE over the years, but he was definitely headstrong in his beliefs.

I hope no offense is taken here, but it is still hard for me to accept this thread as complete fact.. I don't even think TECSHARE would have accepted it as fact himself without a clearer verification. I just think it's how a lot of people here think, so I don't think it should be taken offensively. I'll also refrain from going into any personal grievances I had with TECSHARE here, sadly it seems there is not a point in doing that now.. and it just wouldn't be fair.

So, I'm going to continue under the assumption that this news is probably true. That said, it really sucks losing a human being unexpectedly... especially one who appears to have had a lot of life in him left.
RIP TECSHARE. My condolences to his loved ones, I know what it feels like.. and I wish you all the best.

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A little off-topic but I kinda hoped the BPIP cards would be able to commemorate this sort of thing... to create a snapshot in time.

I went ahead and generated several last week for TECSHARE, one with each current design.. also did a set for Bruno since they were not really ready when all that happened. Things may still fluctuate with the development of the card generator. So, while the images would theoretically verify correctly today if everything were live, I'm not sure if the official card generator/verification will stay the same as I've generated it today or not.. I'll try to keep these verifiable. But, outside of the typical archiving of the profile page, I've at least got these as well, for now. Can't say it represents the "peak", but as close as I can get at the moment.



I apparently missed all this.

Odd that it would only happen sometimes.. what type of OS is on the phone.. iOS / Android?  And which browser are you using?

Your world sucks.
A world where only the most immoral and unethical people will thrive and dominate.. this is the world you want?

How are you going to "protect yourself accordingly" when all forms of possible protection are taken advantage of by someone, and aren't forms of protection at all anymore?  You'll either become them, or be owned by them.

I'm all about personal freedoms and independence.. i.e. governments, banks, etc.. should not have the type of power they have and should be limited on many fronts. However, no rules, no policies, no government at all... will not be a good thing.. not if you want to have a somewhat civil society or community.


It seems counterintuitive to say you absolutely do not condone deceptive behavior, but then try to play down deceptive behaviors.
Do you believe a person willing to cheat on a signature campaign for money is not going to cheat on a no-fee raffle, if he believes he can't be caught?  What odds would you give for this happening?


 


Anyway, good work nutildah!

I found Lauda. He's there, live.. not a cat.
https://youtu.be/KxlPGPupdd8
No clue how these guys kept a straight face. 

I certainly can't speak to what theymos knows or doesn't know... but I get the feeling he personally doesn't like ponzi's.

But, it is certainly quite clear that OgNasty has no issues with ponzi's... as long as they "pay the bills", of course.


The ends will always justify the means with OgNasty, no matter what the 'means' are. Just like above.. he's OK turning a blind eye to scammers taking advantage of people on this forum, just as long as they pay their advertising dues.. to stay in the scammers club.  Just like he's OK adding random people on his trust list without really caring what feedback they've left.. because he wants to boost his own grandiose perspective of himself.

It's just one way he can feed his narcissistic supply.

Why the forum puts this kinda guy up on a pedestal, and backs him up with biased behaviors, is beyond me. I can only hope him being in a prominent "position" on this forum doesn't jeopardize the forum itself when his flagrant behaviors and poor business ethics eventually piss off the wrong person.

FTFY.

I've never once been attacked nor harassed by Vod, even when I've said unfavorable things about him.

The way OgNasty works when someone says something unfavorable about him reminds me of the "fair game" policy of lunatic scientologists.

Nothing has changed here. It is still pulling this info (counts) directly from the related DB tables that the parsers write to.

Well, I must admit, I was hoping for more responses to the poll at this point... but, I think there is enough support to continue at least some development. We'll try taking this horse to the old town road.

I'll lock the thread for now. Suggestions, ideas, or critiques are welcome. Feel free to PM them, or ask me to unlock the thread.