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281  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [BPIP] Bitcointalk Public Information Project [Back in Action] on: January 13, 2021, 08:46:07 PM
I originally programmed those numbers to be real time, but they could be cached now by the BPIP team.
Thanks for the answer, I hope suchmoon or ibminer will clarify how things are with this at the moment...

Nothing has changed here. It is still pulling this info (counts) directly from the related DB tables that the parsers write to.
282  Other / Meta / Re: [BPIP] Forum-based Playing / Trading Cards [BPIP CARD GENERATOR] on: January 07, 2021, 08:26:20 PM
Well, I must admit, I was hoping for more responses to the poll at this point... but, I think there is enough support to continue at least some development. We'll try taking this horse to the old town road. Wink

I'll lock the thread for now. Suggestions, ideas, or critiques are welcome. Feel free to PM them, or ask me to unlock the thread.
283  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk Themes (CSS-Based): Dark Silver, Dark Purple on: January 04, 2021, 06:08:11 PM
-snip-
Shouldn't really be necessary. This is the reason a 'custom css' option was provided within the BPIP extension. You should be able to just set the extension's theme to 'custom - paste css below' and copy/paste the CSS you want to use in the box. (disclaimer: there appears to be a bug effecting this feature (in the stable release) which isn't allowing this to actually work, but this is why that option is there! Smiley )

Outside of that option, the choice is up to suchmoon on which themes to include by default.
284  Other / Meta / Re: [BPIP] Forum-based Playing / Trading Cards on: December 31, 2020, 04:18:43 AM
Updated OP with modified designs, re-organized, and added a few more. I hid the playing card symbols for most of these.. and obviously didn't do anything yet with the dates in the upper-left corner.

edit: Removed watermark on sample images. Authenticity will ultimately be determined using the QR code.
Also missed a row of users I was going to include in these samples, so.. a few more added, again.  Smiley

Happy New Year (hopefully), Bitcointalk!  Cool
285  Other / Meta / Re: Bottom of the web buttons on: December 30, 2020, 12:38:12 AM
-What are these 2 guys?
-What are they supposed to validate?
-If they are not working or outdated, why are they there?

They validate the HTML markup & CSS against the various standards set by W3C (depending on the version). Errors/warnings are somewhat common for most websites though. I'm guessing the links/icons are there because they are part of the footer SMF uses (forum software), unless theymos added them at some point.

They don't work because browsers don't automatically send the referrer when coming from https to http, so the URL would have to be included in the link:
(edit:.. or maybe https could just be added into the existing link)

Code:
https://validator.w3.org/check?uri=bitcointalk.org
https://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=bitcointalk.org

As for your last question... I doubt anyone really cares about these links. Smiley
286  Other / Meta / Re: Dark Theme for Bitcointalk | Nord 🖤 on: December 29, 2020, 09:12:35 PM
Doesn't look too bad. I'm not fond of the additional padding you have added to the header, since it off-centers some elements and takes up more vertical space, but overall not too bad.

Some other dark themes
--snip--

Don't forget:
Bitcointalk Themes (CSS-Based): Dark Silver, Dark Purple

There are also two other regular/non-dark themes (Neutral & Enhanced) included in the BPIP Extension! Smiley
287  Other / Meta / Re: [BPIP] Forum-based Playing / Trading Cards on: December 28, 2020, 06:01:46 PM
So, from a security perspective, there's not much to win from doing it serverside.
It sounds like you agree something is won in terms of security and doing it server-side, which is ultimately why we did it.. to make it as secure as possible and avoid client-side manipulations before a card is generated.

Yes, art is indeed very subjective hence why I've mentioned that it's only my opinion. However, in contemporary design there are some widely accepted general practices that lead to a better product / design (e.g. adequate spacing between a long personal text and the borders of a box said personal text is in). Those are also opinions, but they're a bit more widely held than just by me.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with some of your critiques, they are appreciated, and I will adjust. I was intending to go through various adjustments once the QR code was established, so I could work it better into the design. The main goal for the beta version was to just get this generator working and be able to put out usable images, which I think it does currently, and will ultimately do better with a new server.

That said, I didn't think I'd get this level of criticism on the design itself or I would have re-fined them, and would have had the QR code on them before ever posting. I really just wanted to gauge the current interest here before moving forward with additional developments, which could be started before the server is ready. I just felt like samples had to be shown to get an idea of what we are doing.
 
Nonetheless, you've shown enough interest to critique them in the first place, so I'll take this as a good sign. Grin

That and if you know someone who does graphic design as a job (or even as a side gig), let them have a quick look at whatever you come up as a v0.9 of those designs and ask them for their most brutal criticism.
Can't say I have anyone in my local circle that I'd trust to do this part. However, outside of my personal issues with using particular palettes or backgrounds, I do get what you are saying here with some of your critiques. And, for the most part, I'd have to agree with them. The designs will get refined.



Wouldn't it have been nice if Bruno had had a card before he died?  Or Zepher?  Any set of cards with any set of particular members would be one hell of a great thing to have 10-20 years down the line for those of us to whom the forum is so important.
Agreed. Memorabilia is definitely a great way these cards could be used.

I love this i love this i love this i love this i love this i love this i love this i love this i love this i love this i love this i love this.
I probably couldn't have put it better myself.  Even if I didn't have a card of my own, I would still be interested in buying a set as a collectible--and I'm not even into collectibles all that much.
Thank you both!  
And, I'm sure you'll have a card.. maybe many. Smiley

Maybe like other collectables, the cards can come with some BTC embedded?
This thought has crossed my mind, but I don't think we're there yet. As for glass, sure, there are a lot of printing options which could be a possibility.

One reason I wanted to be able to hide/show the playing card symbols is to allow flexibility for other printing options. I've ultimately tried to find a good balance between a high resolution image that is large enough for bigger prints, but not so large it becomes too resource-intensive to generate.
288  Other / Meta / Re: Merry Christmas to the Forum on: December 24, 2020, 08:34:22 PM
Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays.. to everyone in 2020. Been a rough year, but the year is almost over.
Wishing you all peace, love, joy.. and hope for a better 2021.

289  Other / Meta / Re: [BPIP] Forum-based Playing / Trading Cards on: December 22, 2020, 04:05:18 PM
For anything larger, heavily relying on cloud vendor specific services is a very bad idea if you ever intend for the possibility of migrating away from AWS (unless you enjoy headaches of rewriting code that used to run completely fine on a vendor's proprietary offering).
Thanks for the input here, I haven’t read up much about Lambda but we probably would want to stay away from proprietary solutions like this. Although, I believe we do currently have a decent plan in place with the new server to deal with the performance issues.

If it were up to me, I'd personally offload generating the card visuals to the clientside (via JS or something that compiles to it), while only recording the data serverside.
I actually did start out using a JS-based method of doing this, we moved to a server-side implementation in order to offer additional security for the stats which are overlaid on top of the image.. to minimize any client side manipulations. This overlay may be part of the issue with the fonts as well, as the site would use a different font than what I have on the design, based on the theme selection.

While certain things are definitely dependent on taste (e.g. color palette and use of gradients), certain things are just bad design (e.g. layering text on top of other text in the background).
The stats you see overlaid near the top-left, I’m hoping, would become part of the QR code verification/hash in some fashion, which maybe shows just the ‘valid’ date under the QR code itself, and the rest of the dates appear on the verification.

These are not final versions of the cards, and I realize the copyright text on the backgrounds also hurts the presentation with these designs, so I'm not sure if they are the best samples to judge in this context.

As for the cards themselves, I like the concept but (no offense) the designs could really use some work (from someone with substantial experience in graphic design preferably). The color palette, the backgrounds, spacing between elements and font choices are very rough. A lot of the designs (again, IMO) scream 90s in the worst way possible. While certain things are definitely dependent on taste (e.g. color palette and use of gradients), certain things are just bad design (e.g. layering text on top of other text in the background).
Look, I’m not a “professional” designer by trade. Never said I was. Overall, I think they came out pretty good. I don’t really agree with the idea that there is supposed to be a cookie-cutter way to do art… meaning, I apparently haven’t used one of your approved and/or learned fonts, background styles, or color palettes.

I intentionally tried to vary the designs in order to cater to other tastes outside of my own. The Golden/Dark Silk are also my personal favorites.. and, I admittedly spent a little more time on those designs. My least favorite, personally, is probably the first card I started making which was the techtro/blue card (no offense to Vod who I used for that card in this thread, just happened to be the theme I was using when generating the card!), but there are a handful of people I've shown these cards to (outside of this forum) and one of them liked that one way more than the others. *shrug*. I'm fine with that.

I do realize most people are not going to like every design but keep in mind I designed these in my personal time, and there was never intention on making a profit. Please feel free to recommend someone you know that will fit your perception of someone with “substantial experience in graphic design” who will be willing to design the cards for free. I can overlay the text/stats wherever they want them on the design. Smiley
290  Other / Meta / Re: [BPIP] Forum-based Playing / Trading Cards on: December 21, 2020, 12:48:46 AM
Voting with 2 hands UP Smiley Everything you guys are doing is amazing and I just love this project.  
I am curious if people are [still] interested.
Hell, yes!  Wasn't there another member who made digital cards for various members of the forum a while back?
-snip-
There was a guy in the Collectable section who made not only digital but also physical cards but never manage to deliver them to the buyers so he turned out to be just another scammer. This one

^ webtricks was the one I was thinking of but I couldn't find the thread, until now. Grin

Finally a worthy or I would say better alternative to my BTCTalk Cards (ANN). I knew this one will soon come from BPIP.
Thanks, you definitely had one of the better attempts I have seen as a generator. I also remember a few interesting card designs created by some others around the time of the art contest as well, but unfortunately those were only for specific sets of users.

If you decide to give this a shape of collectible cards, what about using 'Most Recognized' score to determine the card value and suit? Depending upon how many users you would like to consider for creating physical cards, the total number could be divided by 52/53 and given value starting from 'Ace of Spades' to 'Two of Diamonds'.
There are several future plans that could develop, which go along with my prior post and the potential for various series of cards/decks. There could be a few ways to go with it using BPIP's ranks, using various design changes, and/or different backs of the cards, etc.

Your boy LFC_Bitcoin must be a pretty valuable card Wink (according to bpip any way)
So valuable you can't get one *anywhere*. Tongue   I'll probably generate some more samples after the poll runs its course, unless there are any objections, haven't had much time.. trying to get ready for the holidays.  
291  Other / Meta / Re: [BPIP] Forum-based Playing / Trading Cards on: December 19, 2020, 04:50:31 AM
snip
Interesting..  I can't say I really thought of this odd angle you would take against me because you have a grudge.. nor would I ever really think anyone would have an issue with their avatar being used.  *shrug*

.. I seem to recall you having a site which used a background image that had a collage of avatars.. including mine..? *shrug* .. must be someone else I'm thinking of.

Will there be a legal entity behind these cards to resolve issues such as these?  
.. Are you willing to offer some recommendations? It'd be helpful to see a real-life example of what you went through, being able to sell those t-shirts for all these years with Ron Burgundy on them.


Do you feel that project developers being in DT and selling products and services that are heavily influenced by actions of DT members is a conflict of interest?
Most stats included on the card do not involve the trust network at all. How are these heavily influenced by DT members? Roll Eyes

EDIT: suchmoon's response below answers none of these questions so now I'm wondering if any of these issues have even been thought of prior to announcement.
What announcement?  This is a poll with examples.

Are you on a power binge again, Og?  Get some rest.
292  Other / Meta / Re: [BPIP] Forum-based Playing / Trading Cards on: December 18, 2020, 05:38:55 PM
Thanks to everyone for the compliments!

Well done BPIP team.  Is there any actual plan for these cards?  I see they are based on time (DT, last parsed, etc) so printing them out is kind of a waste...
We've kicked around some ideas but nothing has solidified enough to be deemed official. Smiley  At this point, the intent is to allow a person to generate images which are capable of being printed, and ultimately provide a way that the contents of the card can be verified.

Baseball cards are usually based on a specific snapshot in time of a player's statistics.. is printing them a waste? Tongue   OK OK, this is debatable if you don't like baseball, but I'd think having it based on certain periods of time could potentially add value to a card, make some cards more unique than others, etc. Whether or not the date actually has to be displayed or not might be debatable, depending on the verification process.

I like it, although I don't think I'll ever use it to really play.
Everyone may have a different reason for wanting to print an individual card or deck of specific users, that's kinda why I wanted the generator to produce an image that can be sent directly to a printer, to sort of put the power into an individual's hands, with a secondary goal to also potentially offer a way to have us print it for them, in some specific fashion. But, initially it would just be a digital image, capable of being printed.

I'm not disappointed being made a King Cheesy Who's going to be the Joker?
At risk of having my post deleted, I can't go off-topic and talk about who I'd pick as a joker. lol
And.. it's king of clubs.. for obvious reasons.  Cheesy  

Thanks for the card, lovely. I guess if any King is still available maybe it will suits me. The Jacks have no beard, the Queens too so not so many options left.
OK OK, seriously, I did specifically pick a few for fun, but my main goal was to just show some of the various ways to generate the cards and what they look like with different position names, trust colors, playing/poker card symbols, etc. Smiley

Is this [highlighted part] how you're going to also determine the value of each card individually or you'll be giving a certain price for a full deck of cards?
- Apart from the trading part, how are we supposed to use these cards for playing with other individuals [have you laid down the game mechanics yet?]?

Overall, I do like it but I'm interested more in playing with these cards instead of their trading potential.
I think there could be various uses for the stats to create a game, but I haven't created one myself. My thoughts on doing something like this are more along the lines of a collectible card game. But no, I'm not an expert in this realm. Smiley

My general thoughts on the potential trading value of a card would start with the stats and/or status, rank, etc. the user has at the time of printing, but maybe the theoretical trading value fluctuates based on the history of that particular user?

Again, no mechanics have been laid out here, but I believe there are ways it could evolve before being 'official', assuming there was enough interest. Designs (or which stats show) could be altered to fit specific game mechanics. The generator could even potentially have various collector series which are selected and generate different designs, or only show specific stats, etc. Assuming its all verifiable and foolproof.

There are ways we could evolve, but this thread/poll is part of this, to try and gauge the overall interest. I've heard there may be some ideas out there on potential game mechanics by other members already, but I haven't seen any of these yet.

these look great! and would be a great bitcointalk merchandise or collectable. just a question. if this ever made it to the point where you are going to sell it or if you ever plan to sell it will the card information be randomized or can the buyer asked for specific users to be put on the card?
Card information is based on the stats BPIP has collected at the time of image creation, these would not be randomized, and would be specific to the user shown on the card.

If the trading card was implemented on BPIP, as long not really disturb at all and make a slow response while accessing the website then will be no problem. I just don't want this trading card could make the website heavier.
Won't make the website heavier at all, it's currently designed as a separate button on the BPIP profile page which pops-out a menu to set the options of the card, then generates when hitting 'generate'. It's the back-end resources that get hurt creating the image when it is requested, which could slow down the overall site, but that's why we are waiting to release the beta until those issues are sorted.
293  Other / Meta / [BPIP] Forum-based Playing / Trading Cards [BPIP CARD GENERATOR] on: December 17, 2020, 04:38:29 PM
As I casually alluded to here, a beta version of BPIP's card generator is coming, but is currently waiting for a new server to hopefully deal with some of the performance/resource issues the current server infrastructure creates.

As it stands now, it generates 7 different card designs (with a bleed), and with or without playing card symbols. I tried to mix them up as much as I could, while still providing a general template which the stats had to land on, in the same spot across each design. It displays various BPIP stats on the card, avatar, title, name, etc. (obviously, you can see the examples below). Designs are based on the BPIP website themes.

The general idea here is that the designs are generated at a high enough resolution and proper dimensions to produce a physical card, or full deck. I haven't attempted getting any produced yet. I'm kinda curious myself what they will look like as physical cards.

Anyhow, there are potentially more plans with these cards after the beta release.

A decent thread/poll was started here by Welsh, but I am curious if people are [still] interested.

.. which brings us to the poll question:
Is it worth it for the BPIP team (a.k.a ibminer & suchmoon Tongue) to devote any future development efforts towards this project?

Admittedly, there are other planned features and implementations for BPIP on the TODO list which would be seen as a higher priority than playing / trading cards. However, the discussions for this project started a long time ago, and I began work on it not long after. It is something a lot of accumulated time & effort has been put into.

Note: I've only included two full resolution samples below (at the bottom), and everything is currently watermarked. Stats are slightly old, I generated these cards a ~week ago. You'll notice the cards currently generate a hash based on the stats displayed.. with the intent to make it verifiable via a QR code or something along those lines (..one possible future development).

EDIT 2/1/22: UPDATED designs
Thread unlocked. Has it been over a year already?? Shocked   Thanks again to everyone for the comments & suggestions.

It was a long 2021 for me, and I admittedly haven't made as much progress as I'd like with this.. but I wanted to update this thread with the main [updated] designs that will be pursued, and some samples generated.

Still no real professional help (sorry, mprep! Undecided), just the suggestions generated by this thread and many youtube & adobe tutorials, but any comments or suggestions are still welcome. They [eventually] printed out decent enough on my printer, but if all goes as planned, another set will be generated and sent away to be printed hopefully next week to get a better idea of what they look like from a more professional printer.

In regards to RPG/CRPG game mechanics, I don't have anything concrete enough to modify the design elements to fit something like this better.. not my forte.

Higher resolution
(clickable)


Backs:
(clickable)



Samples below are loosely based on the 'most earned merit' list of BPIP, with some extras added in.. these are lower resolution and not in any particular order. Card symbols are not shown, and need a little work on placement.



(clickable)



Balloons - Tom MacDonald

old designs:

(clickable images)





Full resolution (ibminer): https://i.imgur.com/jGplRfI.png
Full resolution (suchmoon): https://i.imgur.com/iqonBOk.png



.. Pride and Joy. (Stevie Ray Vaughan) Wink
.. edit: I also switched the song. Great song, great piano solo.. why not?  =)
294  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [β] BPIP Extension: user info & extra features add-on/extension, Firefox/Chrome on: December 13, 2020, 12:12:27 PM
Another option would be to find a way to determine if the user is in your list without calling an API but I don't see how that could be done.

Still technically an API (client-side), but could something like IndexDB be used?  The extension would just be pulling the trust list from whoever is logged in, I don't think it would need to know who is logged in?
295  Economy / Reputation / Re: Goodbye, world! on: December 04, 2020, 05:32:30 PM
Why are we still talking about Lauda?.. why not sing..?  
Ya know, for full effect... The Irish Rovers.. Lauda I hardly knew ye.

While goin' the road to sweet Athy, hurroo, hurroo
While goin' the road to sweet Athy, hurroo, hurroo
While goin' the road to sweet Athy
A stick in me hand and a drop in me eye
A doleful damsel I heard cry,
Lauda I hardly knew ye.


[chorus]
With your drums and guns and guns and drums, hurroo, hurroo
With your drums and guns and guns and drums, hurroo, hurroo
With your drums and guns and guns and drums
The enemy nearly slew ye
Oh darling dear, Ye look so queer
Lauda I hardly knew ye.

[/chorus]

Where are the eyes that looked so mild, hurroo, hurroo
Where are the eyes that looked so mild, hurroo, hurroo
Where are the eyes that looked so mild
When my poor heart you first beguiled
Why did ye run from me and the child
Lauda, I hardly knew ye.


[chorus]

Where are the legs with which you run, hurroo, hurroo
Where are the legs with which you run, hurroo, hurroo
Where are the legs with which you run
When first you went to carry a gun
Indeed your dancing days are done
Lauda, I hardly knew ye.


[chorus]

Ye haven't an arm, ye haven't a leg, hurroo, hurroo
Ye haven't an arm, ye haven't a leg, hurroo, hurroo
Ye haven't an arm, ye haven't a leg
Ye're an armless, boneless, chickenless egg
Ye'll have to be left with a bowl to beg
Lauda I hardly knew ye.

----

OK.. I must stop here.  Grin
296  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [BETA] BPIP Extension - user info add-on / extension for Firefox, Chrome, et al on: November 14, 2020, 05:19:42 AM
Sticking with the current theme of icons:



.. but then I felt like that was getting a little boring, so I created this manifestation:


This is my favorite.. even has a BTC logo and everything.. even if it is a little tough to see at 16 pixels! Cheesy

Use whichever you think is best.  Smiley


Go on, move.
297  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: November 09, 2020, 09:00:27 PM
I bet on: none of the above.

Trump vs Biden....  I went with Brewster on this election..


Time for some real facts...

Tom MacDonald - No Lives Matter

 Cool
298  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [BPIP] Bitcointalk Public Information Project [Back in Action] on: November 05, 2020, 02:13:11 PM

Thanks, the merit information does show in the merit count of the profiles, and the s/merit log shows the merit transactions.. but under the counts it is indeed saying 'has not earned any merit'. Looks like a bug in the stored procedure.. should be able to fix later today/tomorrow.

Update:
I have fixed it. I had noticed it before with another profile that had a lot of received merits but didn't send anything.
Thank you!
299  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [BETA] BPIP Extension - user info add-on / extension for Firefox, Chrome, et al on: November 03, 2020, 04:31:10 PM
I added a "Tips and tricks" section with some links including that one.
Looks good. I'd have left more merit, but my supply is all dried up at the moment... you should be honored you got my last smerit though!  Tongue
Seriously, can't say it enough, thanks for all of your effort. Smiley

At some point a bunch of these unbans happened without being tracked by BPIP (possibly before the unban detection via posts was in place, not sure) so now I need to go back and manually fix them.
I wonder how many accounts it effects?.. not sure if it is worth doing or not but we could modify 'refresh profile' to start including a check of the last posts page, only if the account is marked as banned on BPIP, and then update it if the last post is more recent than the banned date, and is outside of Meta. We'd have to modify a few things in the DB/SP.. and mark the meta log to distinguish that it was detected with a manual profile refresh. Might be overkill, depending on how many this issue might actually effect, but this might take the burden off of updating them all manually. Just a thought.
300  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [BPIP] Bitcointalk Public Information Project [Back in Action] on: November 02, 2020, 05:20:31 PM
Is this normal?
I think it's normal.
The information shown in Security/Moderator Log is collected from forum's seclog. That's the time you logged in to your account after a long time.
The information shown in Meta Log is based on the time you made a post after a long time.

You logged in to your account on 10/17/2019 8:19:32 AM
You made a post on 10/18/2019 7:21:31 AM

Sec/mod log does pull the date from the forum's seclog.
However, the meta log of BPIP is essentially telling you the date that BPIP noticed the change and parsed the post. It doesn't use the date of that post itself, just the date that it parsed it and noticed the change, which should normally be within seconds/minutes of the actual change.. assuming parsers are running efficiently.

So, technically, I'd interpret this as:

You logged in to your account on 10/17/2019 8:19:32 AM (based on seclog)
You made a post on 10/18/2019 8:16:35 AM (based on the forum's info)
BPIP parsed/captured the post on 10/18/2019 7:21:31 AM (based on BPIP's DB)

^ why this last date is recorded as before your actual post date, I'm not 100% sure... maybe some sort of timezone issue/difference that happened on the recording of this entry?
I'd guess BPIP actually noticed/parsed the post at 8:21:31 AM that day, not 7:21:31 AM.

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