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1561  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [800 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: October 22, 2013, 07:16:14 PM
Haven't posted any updates about the store in a while on the forum, just wanted to repeat the latest news on pricing:

Single USB Erupters are now 0.11 BTC/unit.
10+ Erupters are now 0.09 BTC/unit.
100+ Erupters are now 0.08 BTC/unit.

The above prices include free shipping within the United States.  Inventory is limited as ASICMINER at this time stated they will not be producing additional units.
1562  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are mining pools bad for Bitcoin? on: October 22, 2013, 06:09:33 AM
The BTC Guild owner could make a large payment to someone (say to buy a car). The car seller would wait 3-4 confirmations for assurance that the network has accepted it. But then, since the BTCGuild owner owns 50% or more power of the network, he/she could outpace the network after those 3-4 confirmations and essentially get the money back from his car (by double-spending).

Pools are only able to remain large as long as people trust them.  We are at the mercy of our members in order to maintain our hash rates.  A double-spend can be detected if anybody is looking at the work the pool serves (it wouldn't be working on the main blockchain, prevblockhash would be different).  It can be *proven* quite shortly after (blockchain.info orphaned blocks page would show the pool doing this), at which point that pool is going to be dead shortly.

As a result, here's a little more to consider:  There is nothing available for easy purchase with Bitcoin that is valuable enough to even remotely tempt a pool operator to do this.  Anything that valuable would be a private deal, and you can be damn sure the person doing that deal wouldn't complete the sale til FAR more than 6 confirmations.  The only method to generate the value that this could be worth it is via an exchange.  Exchanges do not execute withdrawals in the $100k+ range automatically, so by the time this massive withdrawal is even considered, news would be out of the double spend and they'd manually block it from actually going through.


So for a pool to do a double spend...it's virtually impossible to do in a way where the payoff is worth killing off a viable business.  The same is somewhat true of private mining companies:  The attack would be publicly known and odds are would be blocked by the person they're trying to trade with in some way.  The only difference there is the private mining company wouldn't also instantly lose their share of the network since they don't rely on the public to keep their hash rate strong.
1563  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [440'000 GH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: October 22, 2013, 12:55:46 AM
HA!  I just solved another block!  That's 2 in the past 7 days.  Not bad for a guy hashing at a measly 170Gh/s.   Grin




Found my 3rd block!  3 in the past month.  I've earned less than 25BTC total from BTCG.  Solo mining is looking better and better, lol.  But with my luck I'd never, ever find a block solo mining.



Yeah, my Avalon had some major luck streaks early on.  Found 6 blocks in a week for the pool, even though I should've only averaged 1 block in that time.
1564  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [800 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: October 21, 2013, 08:46:21 PM
Quickly, everybody overclock your hardware 25% so we can claim the 1 Petahash/sec crown*!


*BTC Guild is not responsible for any hardware failures, lockups, or possible destruction of hardware/fires caused by overclocking beyond safe levels.  But you know you want to.
1565  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [231Th] Eligius: ASIC, no registration, no fee CPPSRB BTC + 105% PPS NMC, 877 # on: October 21, 2013, 07:20:06 PM
What DDoS? Just webserver problems, no big deal.

You should know this by now, we've been around the same length of time Tongue.  Website down == OMG SKY IS FALLING/POOL IS DEAD/POOL OPERATOR IS RUNNING WITH OUR MONEYS NOOOOOO!!!!111one!
1566  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [700 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: October 20, 2013, 10:54:05 PM
Nice, six blocks in a row!

Yeah, that was...fun.  6 blocks in 10 minutes!  Going to be some nice shifts ending over the next few hours Smiley
1567  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [115 Th] 50BTC.com - PPS|Stratum+Vardiff|Port 80|QIWI,Yandex,Mobile,WM... on: October 20, 2013, 09:57:30 PM
Why do PPS rates vary between some of the pools?

BTC Guild is usually around (note the disclaimer, AROUND) 5% less than 50btc for example

Is that the difference in pool fees or does something else play a part?



BTC Guild's PPS is 4.5% higher fee than 50BTC.  I did not enjoy the gambling aspect of PPS, and when the pool was getting too large (51% threat), I increased the PPS fee to force miners to either change pools or change payment methods.  Basically PPS is only there because some people demand it, and the fee was raised to a level where I'm comfortable that variance will never be significant enough for me to lose money over a 1 month period on PPS.

Instead, we offer PPLNS with enough perks to reduce the effective fee to 1% (3% but pays orphan blocks, txfees, and namecoins).
1568  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Why does my hash rate vary? on: October 20, 2013, 08:55:22 PM
Thanks for the spud analogy!  I hadn't realised that some hashes are harder to calculate than others.

Technically all hashes are the same difficulty to calculate/time to generate.  The difference is, each one is a completely separate 256 bit output, and a 'share' is only a certain subset of them.  The traditional difficulty 1 share is approximately a 1 in 4.2 billion chance (or 4.2 Gigahashes).  So if you do 4.2 GH/s, you will on average get one per second.  Then it falls into the analogy above Smiley.
1569  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Weekly pool and network statistics on: October 20, 2013, 08:30:09 PM
The very large percentage of unknown this week is mostly due to GHash.io. I was unable to access the pools' API this week, and they're not signing the coinbase of solved blocks, so my backups didn't work either. Hopefully it will all be sort out by next week.

Don't all of GHash.IO's blocks pay out to 1CjPR7Z5ZSyWk6WtXvSFgkptmpoi4UM9BC ?  Seems like a decent alternative to checking the coinbase.  I'm also curious if anybody knows if KNC's mining pool is simply a proxy to another pool, part of ghash.io, or separate and has some way to identify their blocks if so.
1570  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [115 Th] 50BTC.com - PPS|Stratum+Vardiff|Port 80|QIWI,Yandex,Mobile,WM... on: October 20, 2013, 08:15:15 PM
Of course, we do not know the extent of the damage to 50BTC.com; maybe it is a catastrophic loss and they cannot recover. nothing to compare because we do not know how great the loss was.

Also, I cannot imagine that they did not have any kind of reserve or small hotwallet balance to prevent a major withdrawal of invalid amounts like this. That just makes no sense. and to not respond at all or post any updates about it to reassure the members? even if they just post that they had lost their reserve before they could stop the processes?

I've mentioned in #btcguild this morning.  Any responsible pool, especially a large one (50BTC was the largest for quite a long period), should have 3 things:

1) Hot wallet that doesn't exceed expected daily withdrawal volume (+ 10% or so during price rallies since withdrawals normally exceed newly minted coins during a rally).
2) Cold wallet
3) A buffer of coins that is larger than the hot wallet balance

That setup means the pool always has enough funds to cover any loss.  Yes, it comes from the pool owner's pocket.  BECAUSE IT SHOULD!  The pool owner is the one responsible for securing their pool, the miner's have no way to know how secure/insecure a pool is until it is too late.  But there should always bee a buffer in place that means in the event of a hack (which empties the entire hot wallet), the pool can be fixed/secured again, and the loss is taken from that buffer.  The owner doesn't have to purchase coins to make up the difference, they just have to hold off on selling coins until the buffer is replenished.


For now, ozcoin, but my 15ghash is so low these days that anything but pps kinda screws me. I'll look at btc guild later I suppose, i just worry about them having to much hash.

BTC Guild is only ~25-27% of the network ever since ghash.io claimed a 20-25% piece of the network hashrate.
1571  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [115 Th] 50BTC.com - PPS|Stratum+Vardiff|Port 80|QIWI,Yandex,Mobile,WM... on: October 20, 2013, 07:43:50 PM
Maybe some of their coins were already stolen during the hack, if they restore the balance, they will take a huge hit on their own bitcoins

I think it is reasonable that they spread the loss among each miner, this is a system risk that everyone is facing when mining on pools

That is completely backwards.  Miners should NOT take a hit when the pool loses money due to their own mistakes.  ANY responsible pool owner should be absorbing whatever loss they take.  The only time the reverse should even be an option is if the pool is forced to shutdown entirely.  If the pool remains online, miners shouldn't see a single bitcent removed from their real balances.  Too bad in this case the majority of miners won't have a clue what their real balance should be since the problem still hasn't been resolved.
1572  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [650 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: October 20, 2013, 07:40:37 PM
And your serial port mappings *never* change when you reboot or replug your mining hardware so that you don't have to continually edit your .bat files so that you get what you want when running 4 instances of your miner software?

To be fair, running multiple instances of mining software is pretty rare.  Most people don't waste their time.  For the vast majority, BFGMiner is superior.  For fringe cases that for some reason decide they want to split it over multiple instances, cgminer is better (possibly).
1573  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [700 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: October 20, 2013, 05:59:20 AM
BTC Guild really grows very fast this week.

The latest hour pool speed has already exceed 750 TH/s. Shocked

The whole network is growing quite rapidly lately.  BTC Guild historically has *slightly* outpaced network growth ever since ASICs started coming online, slightly increasing our share of the network as each round of new hardware comes online (then losing a giant chunk whenever a new private mining company arrives).
1574  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [700 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: October 20, 2013, 02:14:02 AM
Thanks, that explained it, that miner was using an old worker which was set to PPS from the beginning.  Smiley

Woohoo!  I love when my ESP works properly Smiley.  I guess after seeing the situation enough times (but explained differently each time), eventually I can link up the proper answer on the first try.
1575  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Jupiter BTCGuild Best Difficulty and Payment method? on: October 19, 2013, 11:55:11 PM
Leaving difficulty at default won't hurt outside of the first minute or two of mining.  Variable difficulty will rapidly take effect, but that means you'll have a few shares rejected early on as a result.  Not a significant waste, and if you aren't tinkering with it much, virtually unnoticeable in the grand scheme of things since it only happens when you reconnect.

Setting it at 256 or 512 both work, 256 will be slightly less variance (<1% difference in 24 hours, and that can be + or -).

PPLNS will always pay better in the long run.  PPLNS is a 3% fee that pays orphans, transaction fees, and namecoins, reducing the effective fee to ~1%.  You'll have good luck and bad luck along the way, but over time you will always end up ahead on PPLNS.
1576  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [700 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: October 19, 2013, 11:47:45 PM
I doubled my hashrate for 3 hours (direct another mining rig towards BTCGUILD), but during the next several shift, each new shift contains almost the same submitted shares as before, is this normal?

As a comparison, my hashrate were cut by half (maintenance of existing rigs) for several hours just a few days ago, and I could observe an immediate drop in submitted shares in each new shift

Now I dare not to direct that rig towards BTCGUILD

Pointing a new rig would take ~1 hour to visible under the PPLNS open shifts.  The next shift to complete (top of open shifts) would only be slightly higher (since the extra hash power was only present for part of the period).  The following one (added to the top of open shifts) would reflect the extra shares since that shift you had the extra power running the entire time.

Considering there is 740 TH/s mining successfully, if you're seeing a problem, you need to be more specific on what you've done.  Mining software versions, actually hash rates used, same/different worker, etc.


My suspicion:  If you truly doubled your hash rate for a period, you either didn't setup the second miner correctly (wrong pool/worker), or you had it running on PPS.  PPS Shares do not get listed under PPLNS stats.
1577  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [620 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: October 18, 2013, 09:53:30 PM
That is a major nosedive..  looks like everyone is going to jump to PPS if we need 15 blocks in a shift to breakeven with PPLNS

The shifts were about to drop under 30 minutes per shift, so the N value was increased by ~30% to bring it back to the 45-50 minute spot.  This means it takes more blocks to equal PPS, but you have more time to get them, meaning shifts will on average end closer to neutral (lows won't be as low, highs won't be as high).  This has absolutely zero impact on your variance in a 24 hour period, it only affects per-shift variance (decreasing it).
1578  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~95Th] Semi-private mining pool on: October 18, 2013, 08:16:03 PM
I'll take a look, but 7x diff doesn't sound that uncommon.  Given how bad my pool's luck was at the start of the diff I'm expecting to find a 9-10x (harder to tell since I don't track individual block rounds).

There have definitely been greater than 7x diff rounds. I know deepbit has had 11x.

But has any pool had a round with more than 1,963,423,807 shares?

You may be right.  My rough math shows my worst round this diff in the 1.6-1.7b range.  Definitely not rough enough math to be off by an extra 250m shares.
1579  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~95Th] Semi-private mining pool on: October 18, 2013, 07:49:20 PM
How are you measuring it as "longest round in the known history of pools"?  Doesn't sound like the longest in terms of hours, shares, or diff multiplier.

Good to know you keep an eye on our little pool.  Tongue

I was referring to shares, but I assume you are going to prove me wrong.  Wink

I'll take a look, but 7x diff doesn't sound that uncommon.  Given how bad my pool's luck was at the start of the diff I'm expecting to find a 9-10x (harder to tell since I don't track individual block rounds).
1580  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~95Th] Semi-private mining pool on: October 18, 2013, 07:28:38 PM
Finally...
Let's hope the next ones getting found faster.

Indeed. Smiley

New longest round for sure at 7.33x diff along with longest round in the known history of pools.....  Cry

Thanks for saving us MartRog!

How are you measuring it as "longest round in the known history of pools"?  Doesn't sound like the longest in terms of hours, shares, or diff multiplier.
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