Obama or Romney ?

[drakahn]

I get my information from the daily show and colbert report ... so its solid :p

I would like to see that libertarian guy win the US elections and the greens to win the next Aussie elections .... What a world lol

[Electricbees]

R. Money has my vote.

And all of our money!

[Explodicle]

Voting for a libertarian will be a "waste of time" until so many people do it that people like you feel like their vote matters.

If you want that day to come sooner, vote anyways to send a message: "we haven't given up".

[Imagine]

Obama over Romney any day but odds are I will end up voting a third party as somelse mentioned green party probably.

[mdude77]

Im an aussie so I just watch the show from the outside, but Id say Obama could say nothing for the next ~2+ months and still win - Romney is just so... ugh.

Obama win: terrible
Romney win: awful, but not quite as terrible

Doesn't look promising for the country.. unless people wake up and vote for a non politician for once.  It's still possible, albeit unlikely, that Paul secures the republican nomination.  Then we'll have REAL debates and the country can see some real choices, instead of blue tyranny vs red tyranny.

M

[muyuu]

There's no significant difference between them. I'm not going to vote.

That's the spirit!

Yes it is. You legitimate the two horse race farce by taking part in it.

[barbarousrelic]

The most important issues to me are not addressed by either mainstream candidate:


1) Balancing the budget (especially through cutting defense spending). (Romney/Ryan does not even pretend to plan to balance the budget for many decades)
2) End the drug war.
3) Stop using the tax system to micromanage everyone's lives, trying to pressure them into taking out student debt, getting married, having kids, buying a house, etc. Replace the current tax system with one that can be explained with no more than 100 pages.
4) Stop invading other countries.
5) Respect civil liberties, the need for warrants for all searches, the prohibition on torture, and due process.
6) Ending legal tender laws

I am voting for Johnson.

[RB26DETT]

you guys should try Mr Gordon Brown,
hes a right laugh

[pekv2]

Neither, they're both monkeys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpLXrpcjJGI

[hashman]

Since the current polling data shows them neck and neck, I'd say you're just making the demonstrably false assumption that everyone sees them the same way you do.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/poll-presidential-race-remains-close-obama-romney-each

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Why should I think any of these three bought and paid for ad selling shops are any better at telling me accurately and truthfully peoples opinion than a bought and paid for vote counting shop?  The first one has a nice glossy ad for Romney right away popping up.       

[beetlebrow]

They're both a joke... But I almost hope Obama wins, just so the biggest collapse in history is at the hands of the socialist, rather than the faux-free market Romney and fake libertarian Ryan.

I understand your thinking and I agree. It's a comfortable thought that he can get the blame and then be forced to pay pennance by,say, going on tv every day to apologise, thus reminding everyone all the time and driving the message home. The reality, unfortunately is vastly different. Take the UK, for example. After years of a socialist party dominance, the finances have been left in tatters and the country changed by thousands of inane laws that are designed to criminalise everyone. The main players have been blamed and found responsible but no action will ever realistically be taken. They are all now sitting pretty in jobs-for-the-boys.
 
The new bunch took over (not much difference) and a couple of years on, people are crying that they want the old bunch back again because the new ones are giving away less free stuff. Rinse and repeat.

My point is that people have incredibly short memories and won't demand or be serious about blame and consequence as long as there is still electricity to run their gadgets and meat comes in nice plastic packaging from a convenient supermarket. There needs to be an immense fark up on a huge scale, enough to seriously disrupt the status quo and turn the emperor's clothes to cinders.

[jasinlee]

[bb113]

From the outside Obama seems to have been a rather kick ass president.
People are always gonna be pissed of with whoever's in power.
We all expect our leaders to look after us specifically, who cares about the rest of the population.
Besides being blamed for the wall street crash what else stands against everyone revoting for him?

It may be opposition propaganda, but it does seem like Romney will say anything to get elected.
And he seems to think he's smarter than the entire country:
You want to see my tax returns? You'll have to elect me first.

What has obama done?

[myrkul]

From the outside Obama seems to have been a rather kick ass president.
People are always gonna be pissed of with whoever's in power.
We all expect our leaders to look after us specifically, who cares about the rest of the population.
Besides being blamed for the wall street crash what else stands against everyone revoting for him?

It may be opposition propaganda, but it does seem like Romney will say anything to get elected.
And he seems to think he's smarter than the entire country:
You want to see my tax returns? You'll have to elect me first.

What has obama done?

He didn't do anything. Someone else made that happen.

[Coincomm]

From the outside Obama seems to have been a rather kick ass president.
People are always gonna be pissed of with whoever's in power.
We all expect our leaders to look after us specifically, who cares about the rest of the population.
Besides being blamed for the wall street crash what else stands against everyone revoting for him?

It may be opposition propaganda, but it does seem like Romney will say anything to get elected.
And he seems to think he's smarter than the entire country:
You want to see my tax returns? You'll have to elect me first.

What has obama done?

He didn't do anything. Someone else made that happen.

http://badgals-radio.com/wp-content/uploads/HLIC/cb6c6fc8db207683427bd3c254d8ba99.jpg

[Littleshop]

Voting for a libertarian will be a "waste of time" until so many people do it that people like you feel like their vote matters.

If you want that day to come sooner, vote anyways to send a message: "we haven't given up".

Many can vote libertarian or other third party but are too stubborn to do so.  Take a solidly democratic state like Maryland.....  Republicans do not have a chance of winning.  They can vote libertarian instead if they are unhappy with their party of the two party system.  Democrats in solidly republican states like Utah and Idaho can do the same. 

[myrkul]

Voting for a libertarian will be a "waste of time" until so many people do it that people like you feel like their vote matters.

If you want that day to come sooner, vote anyways to send a message: "we haven't given up".

Many can vote libertarian or other third party but are too stubborn to do so.  Take a solidly democratic state like Maryland.....  Republicans do not have a chance of winning.  They can vote libertarian instead if they are unhappy with their party of the two party system.  Democrats in solidly republican states like Utah and Idaho can do the same. 

Something like that happens, the Libertarian party might just take popular vote.

[Kluge]

Worth noting there are thresholds third parties must meet to receive automatic ballot access. This varies by state, but generally requires a .5%-10% showing. Without obtaining this, candidates generally need tens or hundreds of thousands of signatures in each state way before the election, which dries up third-party candidates' coffers faster than they can replenish at such an early stage.

Third-party presidential candidates don't have a chance in '12, but they do have the ability to allow future candidates to actually spend resources on campaigning instead of paying swarms of people to collect enough signatures to get on a ballot. That's good for spreading ideas, and looks to be the best to reasonably hope for within the next couple decades. As is, state laws have more-or-less created a duopoly for Dems and Reps. Though... I think the USG is too far gone at this point, and there are plenty of opportunities to spread liberty faster than reversing government control over our lives through politics, and I think the % of US citizens not voting speaks more powerfully than a relatively good run by a LP pres. candidate in a particular year... though this assumes the candidates will spend a very large chunk of resources just buying signatures. Third parties, I found in 2008, appear to frequently bicker about trivial shit, too -- drama in politics, which itself is pretty much glorified drama - not a very productive environment.

[Bitcoin Oz]

You should try living in Australia where the current prime minister got only 30% of the vote at the last election but is still running the country into the ground. This was after a US coup of getting her the job by taking down the last guy because he was too close to china. I dont know anyone who has ever voted for her. We now have a permanent US military base here with thousands of US troops.

Go figure.

[myrkul]

You should try living in Australia where the current prime minister got only 30% of the vote at the last election but is still running the country into the ground. This was after a US coup of getting her the job by taking down the last guy because he was too close to china. I dont know anyone who has ever voted for her. We now have a permanent US military base here with thousands of US troops.

Go figure.

Sorry, we needed the lebensraum.