[POLL] Does EVAN DUFFIELD regret instamining DRK/DASH at 100x emission?

[AdamWhite]

Not sure how you can respect a dev that shouts NO PREMINE and then proceeds to instamine 575,500 coins in the first hour and 1.5 million in the first 8 hours.








But you support deception, and that's okay. Personally, I don't. I won't try to change your opinion, but I will do my part to make sure all the facts about what i consider one of the biggest scams in crypto history remain visible indefinitely, no matter how much you or anyone else cries about it and tries to blame on another coin.

Dark supporters continue dancing around the issue, but that screenshot of "NO PREMINE" is the smoking gun in all of this.

Why did Duffield include it in the original thread title? Because he recognizes people want an honest coin with no unfair advantages. The fact that the coin was not relaunched even after this supposed "bug" is proof of a dishonest developer that obviously cannot be trusted. He wanted an instamine that functioned like a premine, but didn't look like an instamine. Then he blamed it on a bug.

It's obvious the people defending these actions (and who continue making vicious personal attacks against the whistleblowers) are highly invested, and therefore biased

Now that the instamine fraud is out in the open, the only people supporting DASH are either braindead or scammers themselves.

[aleix]

For weeks back in 2014 Dark/Dash was at sale for peanuts. I didnt mine, just bought some:



We made our distribution long ago. Stop with this "instamine" crap. The actual value of the coin is because the dedicated effort of Evan & team. This is no hard to understand.

You missed it. Get over it.

Edit: i reported you, no necessary to be offensive to FUD. Just show how clever you are

[obit33]

For weeks back in 2014 Dark/Dash was at sale for peanuts. I didnt mine, just bought some:



We made our distribution long ago. Stop with this "instamine" crap. The actual value of the coin is because the dedicated effort of Evan & team. This is no hard to understand.

You missed it. Get over it.

Edit: i reported you, no necessary to be offensive to FUD. Just show how clever you are

family?

[aleix]

Sockpuppet account not only fudder but racist too.

Really nice 

[obit33]

Sockpuppet account not only fudder but racist too.

Really nice 

racist? Just because comical Ali here (the guy who was explaining there were no Americans in Iraq when they were practically shooting him in the back) has a brownish colour I am racist? Nice arguments, yet again...

And FUD??? Djeezes dude, accept the graph and thus the facts, there obviously was an insta/pre/whatevermine... Ah well, why even bother, go ahead and buy/mine the damn coin...

[generalizethis]

Sockpuppet account not only fudder but racist too.

Really nice 

racist? Just because comical Ali here (the guy who was explaining there were no Americans in Iraq when they were practically shooting him in the back) has a brownish colour I am racist? Nice arguments, yet again...

And FUD??? Djeezes dude, accept the graph and thus the facts, there obviously was an insta/pre/whatevermine... Ah well, why even bother, go ahead and buy/mine the damn coin...

I'm just surprised he didn't accuse you of being Smooth. The exchange of 757 coins as proof that the coin was fairly redistributed is a nice touch. He had to have pulled at least 9-Gs with that spin. Maybe he can get a job as a Fast and Furious stuntman after dash implodes. 

[stonehedge]

Sockpuppet account not only fudder but racist too.

Really nice 

racist? Just because comical Ali here (the guy who was explaining there were no Americans in Iraq when they were practically shooting him in the back) has a brownish colour I am racist? Nice arguments, yet again...

And FUD??? Djeezes dude, accept the graph and thus the facts, there obviously was an insta/pre/whatevermine... Ah well, why even bother, go ahead and buy/mine the damn coin...

I'm just surprised he didn't accuse you of being Smooth. The exchange of 757 coins as proof that the coin was fairly redistributed is a nice touch. He had to have pulled at least 9-Gs with that spin. Maybe he can get a job as a Fast and Furious stuntman after dash implodes. 

Dash is a high risk investment like any altcoin.  However, if it implodes, it won't be because of the launch difficulties.

[AdamWhite]

"Difficulties" - that's putting it mildly 

[stonehedge]

"Difficulties" - that's putting it mildly 

Let me say it in a troll friendly way then:

Dash is a high risk investment like any altcoin.  However, if it implodes, it won't be because of the evidence-less allegations of a fraudulent launch. 

[generalizethis]

Sockpuppet account not only fudder but racist too.

Really nice  

racist? Just because comical Ali here (the guy who was explaining there were no Americans in Iraq when they were practically shooting him in the back) has a brownish colour I am racist? Nice arguments, yet again...

And FUD??? Djeezes dude, accept the graph and thus the facts, there obviously was an insta/pre/whatevermine... Ah well, why even bother, go ahead and buy/mine the damn coin...

I'm just surprised he didn't accuse you of being Smooth. The exchange of 757 coins as proof that the coin was fairly redistributed is a nice touch. He had to have pulled at least 9-Gs with that spin. Maybe he can get a job as a Fast and Furious stuntman after dash implodes.  

Dash is a high risk investment like any altcoin.  However, if it implodes, it won't be because of the launch difficulties.

If it were launch difficulties, I would agree. But mining 575,000 coins in an hour, over 1,500,000 in less 8 hours, isn't difficulties; it's an instamine. Which brings two problems PR and centralization.

The PR problem is simple. Many will not touch an investment that they think had shady beginnings or continues to have someone associated with those shady beginnings at the helm. Dash will always have the same sort of stigma attached to it as baseball players from the Black Sox or home run hitters who needed to juice to pump their numbers (Sosa, McGwire, ect.). The media will have a field day with this issue if Dash ever saw a tenth of Bitcoin's marketcap as will supporters of other coins as long as the coin exist.

The centralization problem centers on the fact that over 35% of the current emission was mined in the first two days. Many will claim that it was cheap and therefore redistributed, but anyone could also claim that these were instaminers moving funds in an attempt to sell the idea of a fair redistribution later--no one in fact can claim either is true, so it's a gut call--but what really hinders dash here is that many investors are not going to buy the story that the coin mistakenly mined 35% of the current value, didn't relaunch fairly when it seemed in their best interest to do so if they wanted to maintain a clean record, but later sold their coins on the cheap as so the coin could be fairly distributed. That's very far fetched when they could have had a provable fair launch and gotten rid of the instamine label in one shot--either Evan is stupid or he thinks there are enough stupid people out there to accept this story. My guess is that Evan isn't stupid.

[AdamWhite]

"Difficulties" - that's putting it mildly  

Let me say it in a troll friendly way then:

Dash is a high risk investment like any altcoin.  However, if it implodes, it won't be because of the evidence-less allegations of a fraudulent launch.  

Dash is a proven instamine scam where the dev proudly proclaimed "NO PREMINE" in the thread title and then proceeded to instamine 575,500 coins in the first hour, then tried to convince everyone it was due to "bug".

Once the instamine scammers had their fill, they decreased emission from 500 to 5 and lowered total supply from 80 million to 20 million.

Of course, you already knew all this. You're just a scam apologist troll

[Hypnotique]

only 158 people in alts?

[slapper]

only 158 people in alts?

No, just one person actually. The rest are sockpuppets 

[PoS]

He forgot to add that the "Easy Mine" is limited to one hour

[neordicICE]

He forgot to add that the "Easy Mine" is limited to one hour

Funny!   

But for real this instamine should be considered illegal and Even should rot in jail with Charlie for what he did.

[stonehedge]

"Difficulties" - that's putting it mildly  

Dash is a high risk investment like any altcoin.  However, if it implodes, it won't be because of the evidence-less allegations of a fraudulent launch.  

Dash is a proven instamine scam

Proof please.

I'm not trolling.  I would like you to provide some proof that Dash is a proven instamine scam.  If you provide some proof then this stupid debate can be put to bed.

[generalizethis]

"Difficulties" - that's putting it mildly  

Dash is a high risk investment like any altcoin.  However, if it implodes, it won't be because of the evidence-less allegations of a fraudulent launch.  

Dash is a proven instamine scam

Proof please.

I'm not trolling.  I would like you to provide some proof that Dash is a proven instamine scam.  If you provide some proof then this stupid debate can be put to bed.

The instamine is proven. It's the scam part that's opinion/conjecture and part of what the poll asks.

And if you think whether a coin is a scam or not is stupid, then you aren't seeing it from the viewpoint of a potential investor.

[stonehedge]

"Difficulties" - that's putting it mildly  

Dash is a high risk investment like any altcoin.  However, if it implodes, it won't be because of the evidence-less allegations of a fraudulent launch.  

Dash is a proven instamine scam

Proof please.

I'm not trolling.  I would like you to provide some proof that Dash is a proven instamine scam.  If you provide some proof then this stupid debate can be put to bed.

The instamine is proven. It's the scam part that's opinion/conjecture and part of what the poll asks.

And if you think whether a coin is a scam or not is stupid, then you aren't seeing it from the viewpoint of a potential investor.

You're correct, if anybody is denying the instamine then they probably do need some sort of help.

Its impossible for me to view Dash from the perspective of an outside investor because I know too many individuals on the dev team and foundation to form an impartial opinion.

[AdamWhite]

"Difficulties" - that's putting it mildly  

Dash is a high risk investment like any altcoin.  However, if it implodes, it won't be because of the evidence-less allegations of a fraudulent launch.  

Dash is a proven instamine scam

Proof please.

I'm not trolling.  I would like you to provide some proof that Dash is a proven instamine scam.  If you provide some proof then this stupid debate can be put to bed.

The instamine is proven. It's the scam part that's opinion/conjecture and part of what the poll asks.

And if you think whether a coin is a scam or not is stupid, then you aren't seeing it from the viewpoint of a potential investor.

How would someone new to crypto know about the instamine?  It's not like it's written anywhere on the Bitcointalk ANN thread, or anywhere on the website. No, a watered down version of what happened is on a shitty wiki site barely anyone visits.

It's deceptive at best, and a blatant attempt to continue deceiving people into buying into the scam (which for some reason you keep apologizing for)

[stonehedge]

"Difficulties" - that's putting it mildly  

Dash is a high risk investment like any altcoin.  However, if it implodes, it won't be because of the evidence-less allegations of a fraudulent launch.  

Dash is a proven instamine scam

Proof please.

I'm not trolling.  I would like you to provide some proof that Dash is a proven instamine scam.  If you provide some proof then this stupid debate can be put to bed.

The instamine is proven. It's the scam part that's opinion/conjecture and part of what the poll asks.

And if you think whether a coin is a scam or not is stupid, then you aren't seeing it from the viewpoint of a potential investor.

How would someone new to crypto know about the instamine?  It's not like it's written anywhere on the Bitcointalk ANN thread, or anywhere on the website. No, a watered down version of what happened is on a shitty wiki site barely anyone visits.

It's deceptive at best, and a blatant attempt to continue deceiving people into buying into the scam (which for some reason you keep apologizing for)

I'm only apologizing for it because I have seen no reason to believe that it is a scam. I had had closer access than most to the dev team and early members of the Darkcoin community and I personally do not believe for a second that there was any deliberate effort to profit by a deliberate instamine.

I don't understand how not including the fact that a large number of coins were accidentally mined and then distributed among the community at incredibly cheap prices on the ANN thread is deceptive?  Dash don't need to publicise the launch problems...You and various XMR supporters are doing it for them! 

Does XMR have something in the ANN thread covering off its early history and launch problems? 

From where I stand (ex DRK bag holder, now working on other coins), nobody apart from the people starting these threads seem to care.  The Dash supporters who respond to you just find your devotion to spreading unprovable information hilarious.