[POLL] Does EVAN DUFFIELD regret instamining DRK/DASH at 100x emission?

[coins101]

...There is no evidence of any exploitation of the Bytecoin crippled miner in Monero......

No evidence?

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The "dev" who launched Monero is thankful_for_today: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=233561

Thankfully when we (the current Monero core team) found the purposefully obfuscated code we immediately fixed it and made the fix freely available to all. This is what smooth means when he describes the Monero launch as fair. As dga says, at most thankful_for_today would've had a week of advantageous mining, but as our difficulty retargetting worked just fine and we didn't have crazy high initial block rewards there was very little that the scammer thankful_for_today could've made off with.

Note that these are all facts, directly observable by comparing increases in difficulty (ie. network hash rate) with the improved hashing code submitted to github. It does not require trust, it does not require anyone to take our word that coins have been sold or distributed, it is not based on hope. It is absolute, truthful, factual, verifiable by all.
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You should get your stories straight.

It's always the little things that trip up those that set out to deceive.

You call it inherited code, Fluffy says it was down to a scammer.




There you go again, pushing the truth under the rug.

[smooth]

You call it inherited code, Fluffy says it was down to a scammer.

Well what does github say? Oh yeah, that's right you already posted the 'blame': Documented and proven to have come from Bytecoin and not been touched by anyone since.

And now, thanks to you, it is also demonstrated to have not even been used, either because thankful_for_today didn't have access to (or even know about) the optimized miner, or was too honest to use it.

Nice job investigating of Monero's "scam launch" by showing that it was cleaner than anyone even knew. Don't quit your day job.

Maybe you should take a close look at Dash. I bet you could find some deception, manipulation and instamining there pretty easily, if you chose to look. Who knows what other dirt you might find. Could be interesting.

[coins101]

You call it inherited code, Fluffy says it was down to a scammer.

Well what does github say?....

You tell us, you were pointing everyone to the crippled code.

The Monero launch included a launch pack that included some deceptive code aimed at rigging the mining for the material benefit of one or a few at the expense of the many. Also known as fraud.

Before we can set up pools..
We need a miner.

Currently the mining is done In the wallet AFAIK

There is also a miner in the standard build, just no pool to connect it to.

No wonder you were able to 'mine' 10% (that you admitted to) of the circulation at launch. You were just one of the lucky few.

[neordicICE]

Loving the overwhelming winner here. So is Evan the main dev for drk and is he still involved today? Drk has been here a while so he must have sold them off by now.
Or maybe not. What if he is still sitting on them waiting for a final pump to get out. He could crash the market at any time and that's no good.

[Prosperityforall]

So far, coins101 has pointed out that Thankful-for-Today released monero as a fork from Bytecoin, with Bytecoin having the unoptimized miner and that being transferred onto Monero. He also pointed out that the current monero dev team did not launch Monero and was unaware of any unoptimizations. Also that the unoptimized miner may have actually been an accident and almost irrelevant, as there's no evidence at all of the Thankful-for-Today character using it to any advantage via the hashrate performance seen at the time. Then he pointed out that the biggest miners at the time of this short unoptimized miner period, made a article and sold all the coins that they mined, negating the effects of the miner and solidiyfing excellent distribution in Monero. **Not to mention that all cryptocurrencies go through "unoptimized miner" periods, as users with the skill and knowhow will always be able to create optmized versions of public equipment for themselves, as shown in Bitcoin and everything else in life**

While Dash's/Darkcoin's past, current, and future developer had a 2million instamine where only he could mine for a period of time on a restricted linux-only release to likely make sure the amount of coins instamined were as high as possible(Since he also started mining Dash/Darkcoin before it's intended release date), where the block reward and max coin supply was sliced and diced to make the instamined coins worth more. And even then, a year after, there's still a wallet with inputs connected to the instamine, that owns 11% of all Dash/Darkcoins in existence.

Thanks coins101(Added in some of the parts you forgot to mention in all your previous posts).

[smooth]

You call it inherited code, Fluffy says it was down to a scammer.

Well what does github say?....

You tell us, you were pointing everyone to the crippled code.

It shows that the code was forked from Bytecoin, was committed there on March 3, over a month before the bitmonero launch, and had not been touched by the developer of bitmonero, just as I said:

The Monero launch included a launch pack that included some deceptive code aimed at rigging the mining for the material benefit of one or a few at the expense of the many. Also known as fraud.

No, it contained deceptive code that was used to fake the Bytecoin blockchain. Whether it was "aimed at rigging the mining" of Monero is 100% speculation on your part, and in fact the evidence you helped us put together indicates it was not intended to to that, because if it had been intended for that purpose, the developer would have actually mined heavily upon launch the way Evan did, and the objectively documented hash rate does not support it.

Currently the mining is done In the wallet AFAIK

Exactly the same as Dash, Bitcoin or countless other coins that launch without pools (ever heard of 'setgenerate'?), except of course missing the massive instamine, extra "bug" coins, and deceptive scheduled launch times from Dash. Nothing out of the ordinary here, just you making shit up, as usual.

No wonder you were able to 'mine' 10% (that you admitted to) of the circulation at launch. You were just one of the lucky few.

Yes it was very hard to "git clone...make" and then mine on a bunch of computers. There must be something fraudulent here....NOT.

[BagHolder010]

Smooth, FluffyPony, and other Monero's developer team agenda for 2015 since they can not compete with EVAN coding skills and developing genius ideas

1. Changing our copied GUI wallet color from RED to BLUE.
2. Create once or twice a week a thread about EVAN even though we have starting problems just like every other coin did.
3. We Cry"p"to about it in forums.
4. Wait for another coin like Byte to coin from or actually for Byte to do something new and we change colors maybe?
5. THIS IS IMPORTANT let's all pray that monero investors don't get mad at us and ask for a newer team to actually do some work.

[AzzAz]

Smooth, FluffyPony, and other Monero's developer team agenda for 2015 since they can not compete with EVAN coding skills and developing genius ideas

1. Changing our copied GUI wallet color from RED to BLUE.
2. Create once or twice a week a thread about EVAN even though we have starting problems just like every other coin did.
3. We Cry"p"to about it in forums.
4. Wait for another coin like Byte to coin from or actually for Byte to do something new and we change colors maybe?
5. THIS IS IMPORTANT let's all pray that monero investors don't get mad at us and ask for a newer team to actually do some work.

6. And pray that monero investors don't sell all their monero stash and buy dash ( like Otoh etc )

[coins101]

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No, it contained deceptive code that was used to fake the Bytecoin blockchain. Whether it was "aimed at rigging the mining" of Monero is 100% speculation on your part....

So what are you claiming now, ignorance or incompetence?

You keep admitting Monero was launched with scammy code, but you seem in denial about it all.

Speculation on my part? No.

Just a poor attempt by you to push the truth under the rug, again.

[Shrikez]

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No, it contained deceptive code that was used to fake the Bytecoin blockchain. Whether it was "aimed at rigging the mining" of Monero is 100% speculation on your part....

So what are you claiming now, ignorance or incompetence?

You keep admitting Monero was launched with scammy code, but you seem in denial about it all.

Speculation on my part? No.

Just a poor attempt by you to push the truth under the rug, again.

Forgive me for reverting to DASH style rhetoric but...are you retarded?

Do they teach you this discussion style at debate clubs? Pure propaganda style polemic. Fits the white/black/red color scheme of your meme well....Goebbels used those colors a lot.

[smooth]

So what are you claiming now, ignorance or incompetence?

Irrelevance.

The code was from another coin (proven by github) where it was used to create a fake premine

Never touched by the original bitmonero developer (proven by github)

Likely never used at all with Monero, or if so, minimally (proven by blockchain hash rate after launch). Though the idea of a crooked developer using a scam miner minimally is somewhat implausible, so more likely not at all.

Dash's blockchain evidence, on the other hand, shows this:



a few hours after this:

Ok now it insta crashes when I type "setgenerate true".

Time to go to bed and try again next week?

Yeah, let's do that. I obviously need to do some more testing. Thanks everyone!

Best thing to do I guess. Please, confirm you won't be launching after some minutes/hours even if you fix it, and the sooner would be tomorrow, thanks.

Definitely not. I'll also follow up with this post when I do set a time.

[coins101]

So what are you claiming now, ignorance or incompetence?

Irrelevance.

The code was from another coin (proven by github) where it was used to create a fake premine
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No. No. No.

Get your stories straight.

lol.

It was a scam launch. Fluffy tells it like it was.

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The "dev" who launched Monero is thankful_for_today: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=233561

Thankfully when we (the current Monero core team) found the purposefully obfuscated code we immediately fixed it and made the fix freely available to all.........As dga says, at most thankful_for_today would've had a week of advantageous mining...there was very little that the scammer thankful_for_today could've made off with.

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Perhaps that's why you all took over the project? Now this is speculation - mainly because, I suspect, you kept all the real scam launch evidence out of the threads and discussed everything off channels. You know, to not affect the project in the future, so to speak.

Took over the project in just a few weeks?

Stinks, doesn't it, dear reader.

And why wouldn't you want to take over the project? You were stuffing more than your fair share of coins down your pockets as fast as you could while all the other poor suckers were being pointed to crippled code.

So here we are.

You confirm Monero had a scam launch, and yet you feel it appropriate to smear other projects - the whole point of this thread and why you are its leading cheerleader.

I'm afraid your little secret about the truth of a Proven Monero Scam Launch can't remain hidden under the rug anymore.

[smooth]

at most thankful_for_today would've had a week of advantageous mining

Nice quote. It sure made sense that TFT, having an optimized miner, would have used it, and fluffypony thought so too.

But thanks to your help, we now know that the evidence doesn't support that conclusion.

The hash rate during the first week was 200 lousy computers, or 50-100 servers. I have more than that myself. There are people who launch thousands of servers on cloud computing (and did, weeks later).

There was no optimized miner being used in the days after launch. The most reasonable inference is that TFT didn't even know about it after all, meaning it had zero relevance to Monero, only Bytecoin. Meaning in the context of Monero, it wasn't "scam code" just lousy code.

Nice clean launch.

Unlike Evan's Dash.

the whole point of this thread

Ironic that you would bring up the point of this thread since you post nothing but off-topic nonsense

meme of a dasher trying to hide the truth of Evan's scaminess under the rug using made up illogical (and irrelevant) attacks on Monero

[coins101]

Nice clean launch.
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Monero had a scam launch, and you say it was clean?

It was a scam launch. Fluffy tells it like it was.

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The "dev" who launched Monero is thankful_for_today: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=233561

Thankfully when we (the current Monero core team) found the purposefully obfuscated code we immediately fixed it and made the fix freely available to all.........As dga says, at most thankful_for_today would've had a week of advantageous mining...there was very little that the scammer thankful_for_today could've made off with.

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ROTFL.

You really are in denial.

You've been living this white knight fantasy for so long, you can't actually see through it when the truth is at your door.

You probably feel you can limit the scam to just a week or so and that makes it all White then.

Lol.

You're so lame, you probably think everyone is below you, don't you.

Lol,

[smooth]

You probably feel you can limit the scam to just a week

You're the one using fluffypony's "one week" quote, so you must feel that has some validity.

I don't even think that matters. A reasonable inference is that a developer with an optimized miner would mine as much as he could right from launch the way Evan did, because that is the best time to take advantage and get a lot of coins, plus you know that with every coin other people are going to eventually optimize the mining (which is what happened) and you lose your advantage.

Learn something from your own developer would you?

Since the hash rate history doesn't support that, he didn't. The Bytecoin miner was not exploited by the developer of bitmonero. It sat ignored while people mined on hundreds (later thousands) of computers using the dumb code until the Monero developers (and others) started optimizing it.

There is no mystery here, no conspiracy, no secret scam launch. Except in your warped imagination of what to make up to try (unsuccessfully) to divert attention away from Dash's instamine and Evan's deceptive and misleading statements about his ambush launch. Or perhaps you don't even believe any of this made up crap but see yourself as some sort of goon who's job is to retaliate against anyone who won't cooperate with dashers sweeping it all under the rug. That would make more sense, if I gave you credit for being intelligent, which I don't.

The funny thing is your efforts are so ineffective you are just making matters worse for Dash. Everyone can see that Dash is a mess, you look desperate and pathetic, and now that you've emptied your FUD magazine at Monero and completely missed the target, Monero looks even better than before. Nice work.

You're so lame, you probably think everyone is below you, don't you.

You, for sure.

[AdamWhite]

coins101 was embarassing himself before.. but he's starting to sound manic. I'm a little worried at this point. His posts are nearly as painful to read as this:

The Dasherberg Group - Meeting nº1

T’was a rainy Tuesday afternoon. March the 24th, 2015. Precisely 24 hours before the official rebrand, and 3 was the count of conspirators. Plotting for world domination, the location was meticulously chosen, far and away of prying eyes and tuned-in ears.

The meeting began by with a quick verification of identities. The public key had been previously sent (phone number), the secret handshake was performed, and a byzantine consensus achieved. The meeting point, ironically, at the footsteps of a major competitor’s headquarters. The huge albino bitten pome fruit did nothing to deter the procedures.

Off they went, the 3 knights, meandering the streets, anonymously mingling with the crowd. They entered a local half-lit tavern, heading straight to the most inconspicuous darkened corner.

Talk began soft as soft was the drink. And with drink came the food, and with food the more talk. And were it not for the hot of the food, the more the soft drink and the more the hot talk. Quite literally, food and drink, for thought.

Maps of vast treasures were drawn and plans sung like songs. Many tales of slayed trolls with strong laughter were told. The 3 knights spoke feverously of the past, the present and future. Particularly the future, as little in the present was left to hash, and the past buried deep as the roots of a Markle tree.

Like hot wallets they sprung and an instant transaction was made, leaving the tavern at bay. The 3 knights now with shields headed fearless into the night. A new bond was now made with a pledge to maintain.

Time was running scarce while the knights still engaged. A secret pact was formed, firmed with a toast hailing the devs. A vow to a world in need of a change.

As secretly they came, obfuscated they left. And so the 3 knights wondered into the dark. Thus parting their ways, each in a carriage without horses. Headstrong and ready on the next adventure embark. Their mission was set, clear objectives aligned.

Thus endeth the tale of such glorious knights. An astounding success, filled with noble delights.

May this tale of 3 knights inspire fellow Dashers to conspire…


Source
https://dashtalk.org/threads/the-dasherberg-group.4461/

Thanks for confirming that you are in fact, a cult.

[barwizi]

I wonder if you even believe half the shit you post.

[coins101]

The Monero launch included a launch pack that included some deceptive code aimed at rigging the mining for the material benefit of one or a few at the expense of the many. Also known as fraud.

Before we can set up pools..
We need a miner.

Currently the mining is done In the wallet AFAIK

There is also a miner in the standard build, just no pool to connect it to.

Not long after launch, around one to two weeks, people started to smell a rat and at some point the Monero dev somehow did a runner, or possibly just changed account profile and carried (carries) on being involved.

Some of the early community members decided that, despite being only one or two weeks in, they would continue with the project rather than stop, fix, relaunch.

That smells a bit. Had we seen two or three months of effort, then maybe a continuation would have been more believable. People were smelling a rigged launch at the time:

i would like to propose a conspiracy theory here. could it be that TFT and friends created a problem where there was non, as they see the coin going up in popularity and thus limit ability for people to mine or participate.
1. yes mining continued: is this true can a non techy very this
2. increased frustration: people may hold of mining while a better wallet is in place. thus decreasing difficulty and increasing coin accumulation of those in the know.
3. a day later and still unable to access wallet from first page. people are pointed to github but I do not see a link there that says updated wallet. click here and your parse problems will be solved.
4. i recall i could not participate early because link was botched. there was no note underneath to clarify this for those new to cryptocurrencies. for 5 days I could not mine while tft and friends went about it merrily.

would tft go to such an extreme.... just speculating.

There is no dispute that Monero was launched with deceptive code intended to steal.  It has been admitted by the lead devs:

We've admitted to the crippled miner. We were the first ones to discover it, disclose it, and fix it. The reason I don't dwell on Monero's faults is not to hide them......

And the other lead dev:

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The "dev" who launched Monero is thankful_for_today: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=233561

Thankfully when we (the current Monero core team) found the purposefully obfuscated code we immediately fixed it and made the fix freely available to all. This is what smooth means when he describes the Monero launch as fair. As dga says, at most thankful_for_today would've had a week of advantageous mining, but as our difficulty retargetting worked just fine and we didn't have crazy high initial block rewards there was very little that the scammer thankful_for_today could've made off with.

Note that these are all facts, directly observable by comparing increases in difficulty (ie. network hash rate) with the improved hashing code submitted to github. It does not require trust, it does not require anyone to take our word that coins have been sold or distributed, it is not based on hope. It is absolute, truthful, factual, verifiable by all.
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Smooth is trying really hard to hide the truth.

Was it because he was stuffing his pockets while pointing others to crippled miners and op links to clients that didn't work?  Then while others were saying stop and relaunch, he was saying - no lets wait a few more weeks.

I know dear reader, having been "lucky" to get at least 10% of the coins in the first week, why would he want to give away his bounty to make it fair to everyone else?



Maybe, Smooth motherfuckers, sound like scam motherfuckers, to smart motherfuckers.

lol

And how about that code that was injected in to cripple mining for everyone but the chosen few?

so here's the scoop

Code:

<tacotime> yeah so from what i can tell
<tacotime> blockchain_storage.cpp and/or the rest of the daemon is calculating the coinbase tx subsidies in different ways
<tacotime> it wasn't an issue before, but two hours ago i tried to spend pretty much everything at one of my coinbase tx and the tx hit the network

trying to figure out what in the fork code broke this right now.

so, should we stop mining or what?   i just found a block few hours back

The current situation is that someone disabled mempool and forked the chain so that the invalid tx doesn't get in the way. But the difficulty hasn't changed much so blocks are being found much more rarely than 1 minute. So you can mine, it's just very slow. A few people are on the freenode channel trying to solve the cause of the problem.

The harder he tries to make it sound legit, the more the Proven Monero Scam Launch stinks.

lol.

[generalizethis]

v I love this meme!



^It's Coins101 trying to sweep the truth of Dash's instamine under the rug of his first-thing-ever-proven-by-mere-supposition-Monero-scam. I'm calling it Coin's101 Freudian rug.


Now, that other fiction Adam quoted of Coins 101 is horrendous and should be burned or buried; it reads like a forty-year-old's attempt at juvenile fantasy after his first "How to write fiction"  class at the local Muny--at least wait till second semester before forcing us to read what would be the porn equivalent of a collection fluffer on fluffer  outtakes.*



*Thankfully AFAIK fluffer on fluffer porn doesn't exist. And it shouldn't--so please don't anyone make this, ever.

[BlockaFett]

v I love this meme!



^It's Coins101 trying to sweep the truth of Dash's instamine under the rug of his first-thing-ever-proven-by-mere-supposition-Monero-scam. I'm calling it Coin's101 Freudian rug.


Now, that other fiction Adam quoted of Coins 101 is horrendous and should be burned or buried; it reads like a forty-year-old's attempt at juvenile fantasy after his first "How to write fiction"  class at the local Muny--at least wait till second semester before forcing us to read what would be the porn equivalent of a collection fluffer on fluffer  outtakes.*



*Thankfully AFAIK fluffer on fluffer porn doesn't exist. And it shouldn't--so please don't anyone make this, ever.

I think Coins101 has a perfectly valid point - Monero core-team are busy making dozens of "Dash launch was a scam!!!" threads like here while all their deadlines are missed with a horrible wallet same as it was when they cloned Bytecoin, and Dash dev just codes away busily on his own architecture he innovated, delivering new features that are consistently both working and groundbreaking.

Then we find out they released a crippled miner on the Monero launch - that's a scam launch, so why are they trying to brush it under the carpet and spend 24/7 trying to throw the same accusation at Dash instead?  

Even some 16 year old spotted the scam and cashed in it for fun: Minting Monery with Monero Why don't they give a full account to show how they didn't know

I asked for this and got nothing....where is there full account and explanation like the Dash dev did over 1 year ago already?

so yeh, kind of blowing up in Monero ambush squad's face right now guys, total waste of time.