What's your opinion of gun control?

[franky1]

We have courts to determine if someone shot someone else for nothing. The courts will help people become responsible with their guns.

(facepalm)
badeckers typical response
shoot first, ask questions later

lets put badeckers theory to the test

lets all just shoot badecker and then see if his freeman court would ask questions. after all he the dead victim cant then accuse the shooter.. he's dead.
and witnesses/advocates for badecker cant accuse the shooter either as they are not the victim

(hey badecker hows your freeman stance now, when its used against you)

oh and what about badeckers thoughts on if badecker was shot his neighbour should be free to then shoot the shooter.
well in reality the shooter never harmed the neighbour so the neighbour has no defense
but in badeckers world. the neighbour shoots the shooter. then another neighbour comes out and sees that there are 2 dead bodies on the ground and a neighbour holding the gun. so then this second neighbour shoots the first neighbour thinking the first neighbour done double murder of badecker and stranger.
a third neighbour hears the multiple shots and see's the first neighbour being shot by the second neighbour and sees badcker and a stranger on the floor too. so the third neighbour shoots the second neighbour.
a fourth neighbour shoots the third neighbour
a fifth neighbour shoots the fourth neighbour
a sixth neighbour shoots the fifth neighbour
and so on until a whole city is dead

yea good luck living next door to badecker

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[BADecker]

We have courts to determine if someone shot someone else for nothing. The courts will help people become responsible with their guns.

(facepalm)
badeckers typical response
shoot first, ask questions later

lets put badeckers theory to the test

lets all just shoot badecker and then see if his freeman court would ask questions. after all he the dead victim cant then accuse the shooter.. he's dead.
and witnesses/advocates for badecker cant accuse the shooter either as they are not the victim

(hey badecker hows your freeman stance now, when its used against you)

oh and what about badeckers thoughts on if badecker was shot his neighbour should be free to then shoot the shooter.
well in reality the shooter never harmed the neighbour so the neighbour has no defense
but in badeckers world. the neighbour shoots the shooter. then another neighbour comes out and sees that there are 2 dead bodies on the ground and a neighbour holding the gun. so then this second neighbour shoots the first neighbour thinking the first neighbour done double murder of badecker and stranger.
a third neighbour hears the multiple shots and see's the first neighbour being shot by the second neighbour and sees badcker and a stranger on the floor too. so the third neighbour shoots the second neighbour.
a fourth neighbour shoots the third neighbour
a fifth neighbour shoots the fourth neighbour
a sixth neighbour shoots the fifth neighbour
and so on until a whole city is dead

yea good luck living next door to badecker

Hey, man. Put your gun down before you do that facepalm. Tryin' to shoot yourself in the head?

[franky1]

Hey, man. Put your gun down before you do that facepalm. Tryin' to shoot yourself in the head?

when im in america and need to facepalm you. guns are not my worry
i actually refuse to use my right to bear arms more for the concerns of being scratched, not shot

[BADecker]

Hey, man. Put your gun down before you do that facepalm. Tryin' to shoot yourself in the head?

when im in america and need to facepalm you. guns are not my worry
i actually refuse to use my right to bear arms more for the concerns of being scratched, not shot

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People who shoot themselves in the head have way more worries than the gun... at least after the fact.

[BADecker]

It's happening again. Dems are promoting more gun control, and gun sales are going up. I wonder how many gun-control Dems own stock in the gun companies. Check the article for links.


Gun Sales Surge In October As 2020 Dems Unveil Gun Control Proposals

Roughly 1.2 million guns were sold this October, a 10.8 percent increase from Oct. 2018, according to Small Arms Analytics and Forecasting (pdf). The firm also estimated that about 1.1 million guns were sold in September, another increase of almost 11 percent from the same month last year.

The arms industry observer said it expects sales across 2019 to reach 14 million, past the 13.8 million guns sold in 2018 but below the estimates of 14.7 million sold in 2017 and 16.6 million sold in 2016.

"Sales have definitely been brisk, especially of small concealable handguns. We also saw a spike in sales of tactical rifles like AR-15s and AK-47s, for which I think we can confidently thank Beto O'Rourke," Justin Anderson, marketing director for the North Carolina-based Hyatt Guns, told the Washington Examiner.

O'Rourke, a former U.S. representative from Texas, shouted on the debate stage over the summer "hell yes" when asked if he'd seize guns if elected president. O'Rourke later dropped out of the race, but other candidates have said they'd focus on gun control, including former Vice President Joe Biden, who has proposed banning 9-mm handguns, a popular handgun that's used by numerous law enforcement agencies.

"It seems to me that Biden is preying upon the ignorance of his base by making such a ludicrous suggestion. Black Friday looks to be a huge day for the gun industry, building on what is already a record year for sales. In addition, with so much competition in the marketplace, retail pricing is as low as I've seen in over a decade. My message to consumers thinking about buying a gun: Pull the trigger!" Anderson told the Examiner.

[franky1]

guns sales surge?

um sorry but stats from the PDF the quote was talking about do not state a surge. infact there was a surge in 2012 and 2016 but numbers have been lower and more stable on other years

EG 2018 went down. making 2019 up be treated as just a flatline of other years average

[BADecker]

guns sales surge?

um sorry but stats from the PDF the quote was talking about do not state a surge. infact there was a surge in 2012 and 2016 but numbers have been lower and more stable on other years

EG 2018 went down. making 2019 up be treated as just a flatline of other years average

Average people who buy guns don't go out and buy more guns year after year after year. The surge is apparent because it is mostly new buyers. But if it is second-time buyers, it's still a surge. None of these people had to buy anything. They simply keep on surging into the gun-buying arena.

You completely run around the point. Wake up.

[franky1]

The surge is

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badecker. your the kind of person that calls the green diagonal a surge
even though you have ignored the blue previous year and in context of 'surges' you completely ignore what a real surge looks like(red)

sorry but in my eye the green is just a return to norm

[BADecker]

The surge is

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badecker. your the kind of person that calls the green diagonal a surge
even though you have ignored the blue previous year and in context of 'surges' you completely ignore what a real surge looks like(red)

sorry but in my eye the green is just a return to norm

You really need to define your times of the surge. Is your surge for just one minute? Or maybe a whole day?

The surge hasn't stopped in years... not since Obama was elected and started all kinds of attempted gun control measures.

[bananacue]

In Singapore, no one is allowed to have gun - only the authority (police etc) can have. Thus, there is no need to be afraid that someone would came into your house and start shooting. You say the police? Well.. Singapore wain the top ten least corruption list 2014..

So, I think other country should implant the same law Singapore have. No one should be allowed to have gun.

Singapore banned chewing gum and will also cane you for not flushing a public toilet. Sounds like laws every country should aspire to.

I agree, I think guns are for people with authority. Yes, individual wants to own guns for their safety or self defense, but I think it is unnecessary. But the government cannot control who may own gun since there are gun smugglingvand illegal selling of guns everywhere

[BADecker]

In Singapore, no one is allowed to have gun - only the authority (police etc) can have. Thus, there is no need to be afraid that someone would came into your house and start shooting. You say the police? Well.. Singapore wain the top ten least corruption list 2014..

So, I think other country should implant the same law Singapore have. No one should be allowed to have gun.

Singapore banned chewing gum and will also cane you for not flushing a public toilet. Sounds like laws every country should aspire to.

I agree, I think guns are for people with authority. Yes, individual wants to own guns for their safety or self defense, but I think it is unnecessary. But the government cannot control who may own gun since there are gun smugglingvand illegal selling of guns everywhere

Do you like Communism? EVERYBODY is in authority. After all, government doesn't tell you what to wear today, or what to have for breakfast, or anything else. The public is in authority, except in China.

[franky1]

Do you like Communism? EVERYBODY is in authority. After all, government doesn't tell you what to wear today, or what to have for breakfast, or anything else. The public is in authority, except in China.

the FDA DO ban many food items and also suggest what kind of crappy processed foods schools should sell to kids

gotta laugh. kids not allowed to buy a kinder egg(chocolate egg with a toy inside) but kids can go to a gun range and learn to shoot

[BADecker]

Do you like Communism? EVERYBODY is in authority. After all, government doesn't tell you what to wear today, or what to have for breakfast, or anything else. The public is in authority, except in China.

the FDA DO ban many food items and also suggest what kind of crappy processed foods schools should sell to kids

gotta laugh. kids not allowed to buy a kinder egg(chocolate egg with a toy inside) but kids can go to a gun range and learn to shoot

As long as you continue to use freeman arguments to support everything you do, you know you will fail.

[BADecker]

This is what gun control allows to happen. Average folks need to have guns to repel criminals. If the shoppers had guns, the criminals would have died faster, the cop might never have been shot, and the hours-long shootout would have only taken a couple of minutes.


6 Dead In Hours-Long Shootout At Jersey City Kosher Grocery

Reuters reports that six people have been killed, including the two shooters: (those killed include one police officer, three people who were inside the JC Kosher Supermarket when the shooting began, and both of the suspected shooters).

Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop told a news conference that there were multiple people deceased inside the store, where suspects reportedly had holed up and exchanged gunfire with law enforcement in a standoff that lasted for hours.

Several news media outlets including the New York Times, reported six people were dead, citing unnamed law enforcement sources, but Reuters could not immediately confirm the number of casualties.

The New York Times said the dead included a police officer, three victims who were in the store and two suspected gunmen.

Local media also reported the shooting unfolded at or near the JC Kosher Supermarket, though a city official told reporters there was no evidence the bloodshed was terror-related.

[elisabetheva]

perhaps the problem that needs attention is clearly the individual of the person who will obtain or may use weapons. What is clear is that it is very important that anyone who is allowed to use a weapon can control himself so that he is not arbitrary in using the weapon. so it takes a psychological test to be able to determine that the person may use it, because it can be guaranteed to him the use of weapons only when very necessary may be used. every rule is issued, of course, to guarantee that no misuse may occur at any time.

[BADecker]

perhaps the problem that needs attention is clearly the individual of the person who will obtain or may use weapons. What is clear is that it is very important that anyone who is allowed to use a weapon can control himself so that he is not arbitrary in using the weapon. so it takes a psychological test to be able to determine that the person may use it, because it can be guaranteed to him the use of weapons only when very necessary may be used. every rule is issued, of course, to guarantee that no misuse may occur at any time.

Yabut. The psychologists who administer the tests are licensed by government. So, if they don't want to lose their licenses, they have to do it the way government says. Yet one of the basic, original reasons for guns in the hands of common people, was to be used to protect themselves against government. So, your whole idea doesn't make sense.

[BADecker]

What's Virginia's opinion of gun control? Here's what. (More links at the site.)


Virginia Activates Official Militia in Response to Gun Confiscation Threats. Lawmakers Want To Make This a Felony.

As Virginia lawmakers prepare to pass a draconian gun control bill that would make most guns in the state illegal, Tazewell County has formed an official active militia as per the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

To all of those who like to mock gun owners and ask if they're going to fight tyranny in a militia, Virginia's answer is a clear and adamant "yes." That's exactly what they're planning to do.

A Quick Recap of What's Happened So Far

Here's a little bit of background on the proposed weapons ban from my last article.

After the most recent election, the state's House and Senate are both Democrat majorities and they haven't wasted a moment in attempting to gut the gun laws in what has historically been a permissive state.

The so-called "assault weapon ban" is SB16 and has that perilously vague wording we all know to be incredibly dangerous. In some interpretations, this law, if it passes, could make illegal the ownership or transportation of any semi-automatic gun because extendable magazines are available for it – and you don't even have to have the extendable mags. (source)

Unsurprisingly, a lot of Virginians are outraged by the idea of this and discussion of a "grandfather clause" that allows you to keep your semi-autos as long as you register them has done nothing to assuage the ire of gun owners.

Counties across the state quickly organized into Second Amendment sanctuaries – as of Dec. 16, 89 counties, cities, or municipalities have passed "sanctuary" resolutions and 6 have passed resolutions to protect the Second Amendment rights of citizens, but refuse to use the word "sanctuary." Other locations are still debating their stances.



Map from Gun Rights Watch

Then to really stir the pot, State Representative Donald MacEachin had the bright idea of calling up the National Guard to squelch the rebellion.

McEachin also noted that Democratic Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam could call the National Guard, if necessary.

"And ultimately, I'm not the governor, but the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law," he said. "That's his call, because I don't know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be. But that's obviously an option he has." (source)

As you can imagine, that didn't go over well.

[BADecker]

There's a lot more to this article. It seems that militias are being talked about all over the nation, and people who can't wait to join one, are moving to Virginia. Looks like we are finding out what average people really think about government and gun control.

The militia vs. the military?


Warning to LET: "Stop reporting on Virginia militia or your editors will be charged as felons."

Over the past week, we haven't been afraid to report about the rising numbers of men and women across the country who say they're joining the militia.

It's no longer a veiled threat – it's a reality.  The numbers have exploded thanks to what's happening in Virginia.  More on that in a moment.

But first – this message came in Wednesday:

"Your reporting about the growing numbers in the militia create a clear and present threat to America.  As part of Congress, I'm giving you fair warning that this is the equivalent of shouting 'fire' in a movie theater.  If your reporting incites violence, or can even be tied to it, we will make sure to charge your editors with felonies," wrote the person.

It's worth pointing out the message came in anonymously – so we're pretty confident it wasn't exactly a sitting congressman.

[Negotiation]

I think the government of the country needs to take strict measures to control the gun No one has a gun without the need There are many who run the gun illegally, and many problems arise. If you need your gun when you are at home or where you go outside in a secluded place the gun can be used For example, many countries in the United States use guns without need and many engage in terrorism and crime is rampant Many people mislead it For this reason the government should reduce the use of guns so that it can be regulated.

[BADecker]

Anybody want government control of guns? Note that, he who has the guns IS the government.

I don't trust somebody else to be the government. I want to be the government.

That's why we call it "gun control." I not only want the most guns, and the biggest ones, I want top gun control.