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September 26, 2012, 08:53:01 AM |
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You've really got to stop lying.
Whats the lie? Are you denying CPA traded at .1 BTC about a week ago when there were >50K shares? Are you denying its trading at 0.034 now that there are 36160 ? This guy is a liar and he's attempting to manipulate the stock price. I have it on good authority he is being paid to do so. Back that up, I dare you.
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September 26, 2012, 09:04:07 AM |
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Dividends isnt the reason. When usagi requested a loan, saying it was needed to grow CPA business and get more insurance contracts ("We have contracts on the table that we can't sign because we can't back the assets yet."), Verifiable fact. Its a direct quote. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110122.msg1216124 I predicted the coins would instead be used for this: Verifiable fact. I just linked the evidence. The reasoning is as simple as it is flawed; because of the circular ownership of usagi's companies, any loss (or gain) in NAV in any of them has a leveraged effect on all of them.
Simple factFor instance, Nyan B holds a large amount of CPA shares. If CPA price goes down, it hurts Nyans NAV, which in turn costs CPA because it both owns and insures NYAN. And so you get a downward spiral, since a further lowering of CPA value again hurts Nyan.
Verifiable fact. Evidence in your own financial reports. The same is true for BMF <> Nyan <> CPA.
Verifiable fact. Evidence in your own financial reports. So rather than let the market decide what the assets are worth, usagi discovered that with such low market depth, you can easily manipulate prices - at least briefly. He proudly announced he doubled CPA market valuation by buying 1 BTC worth of shares.
Verifiable fact. Need the link? That sounded like a plan, but of course it, didnt last very long.
Verifiable facthttps://glbse.com/asset/view/CPAHe spent at least 500 BTC (most of it loaned at 100+% APR) with no real effect on share price. Verifiable facthttps://glbse.com/asset/view/CPA
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September 26, 2012, 11:20:33 AM |
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I will be honestly surprised if you (eskimobob) escape a scammer tag.
Scammer tag or not for him, do you honestly think this is a flattering tone to take? You seem most defensive when accused of lacking professionalism. And yet lacking professionalism on this forum looks to the casual observer like your day job. ~pyotr You're about as pro as I am, thanks. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1221985#msg1221985Your question and tone is fair. His is not. There is a BIG difference between the sort of misrepresentation EskimoBob/puppet does, and stating one's opinion. EskimoBob/puppet have now gone off the deep end, completely fabricating information about my companies. Please see the above link. EskimoBob needs a ban. Let me introduce you to a real Usagi, guy who looks for people to attack other securities IRC 2012.09.25 EskimoBob usagi: do you recall when you asked me to help you set up 20 sock puppet accounts and help you to find flaws in other securities? guruvan- that will come usagi EskimoBob you even wanted to pay me and I told you NO! usagi Nope. EskimoBob do you want me to post the log? guruvan- oh lolz usagi You THINK it will come, guruvan. Mayube you even want it to come. But it won't EskimoBob trust me, you do not want that guruvan- aw...c'mon EskimoBob usagi EskimoBob go ahead. You're a scammer. You lie about my companies and me, I am not suprised you would sink to making up fake logs guruvan- I'd love to see more scammy bullshit today usagi Post em right now, let me see EskimoBob LOL usagi usagi Come on EB usagi Post the logs. right now. EskimoBob really? usagi What's that.. no logs? EskimoBob are you sure? And this is what I posted to show what a scumbag Usagi actually is: 2012-08-05 16:29:46 usagi We need someone to go attack competitors on bitcointalk.org 2012-08-05 16:29:55 usagi Find flaws in their posts.. make them look like idiors 2012-08-05 16:29:58 usagi One man shows 2012-08-05 16:30:03 usagi Who don't know what theyre doing 2012-08-05 16:30:13 usagi You already do a fine job of that actually lolz 2012-08-05 16:30:25 usagi But you could be paid to... well.... focus... on certain.... targets. 2012-08-05 16:30:25 EskimoBob indeed but this is not rolling
2012-08-05 16:31:05 EskimoBob hand over your list of targets and what is in it for me ? 2012-08-05 16:31:29 usagi Well, we could go by commission (by post) or by weekly salary 2012-08-05 16:31:40 usagi 0.1 per post is probably doable, maybe 0.2 2012-08-05 16:31:54 usagi There would be a weekly limit I guess, of say 200 posts 2012-08-05 16:32:05 usagi I wouldn't want to spend more than say 20-40 bitcoins a week on a project like that 2012-08-05 16:32:09 usagi But something in that range is possible 2012-08-05 16:32:25 usagi So I guess you could consider it part time work. but highly organized part time work 2012-08-05 16:32:38 usagi You would keep a text file with a list of posts you made for example 2012-08-05 16:32:40 usagi so we could check up on it 2012-08-05 16:32:45 usagi from time to time 2012-08-05 16:32:49 usagi and for accounting purposes 2012-08-05 16:32:56 EskimoBob there is a problem with this. You see, my english is not that good and anyone cat tell, it's written by the same guy 2012-08-05 16:33:00 usagi You might even bring in a friend to share the glory 2012-08-05 16:33:08 usagi So what 2012-08-05 16:33:12 usagi Ahahaha 2012-08-05 16:33:19 EskimoBob to be honest, I do not like this idea at all 2012-08-05 16:33:21 usagi Bring a friend in to help ....
And so on. So, your honest Usagi is actually a scumbag who is willing to pay for users to troll hes competition, while he wastes your hard earned coin on questionable "investments"
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September 26, 2012, 11:52:59 AM Last edit: September 26, 2012, 12:04:36 PM by Puppet |
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ROFL. So its usagi thats paying trolls. Nice. I guess that explains why there are one or two posters here defending the indefensible.
Unfortunately for usagi, trolls cant change the grim reality. And that reality is, if you calculate Nyan.A nav with latest prices, even when generously assuming the obsiponzi and other delisted ponzis are still worth anything, you get a total of 1075 BTC or 0.71 per share. That means a shortfall of ~426 BTC will have to be ponied up by nyan.B
When you calculate nyan,b's current nav, you get 1345 BTC or 0.73 BTC per share, That means its already 496 BTC short of its 1 BTC target. But since it will have to compensate for Nyan.A too, its really 496+426= 922 BTC short. Ouch.
Nyan.C's total nav is 495 BTC (on paper at least, in reality most of it is already worthless unsaleable and delisted rubbish). So even if its assets gets transferred entirely, Nyan.B is still 400+ BTC short.
TL;DR, Nyan C will be worth zero and optimistically, Nyan.B will still have a NAV of only 0.77.
If you think thats bad, if you write off the obsi and V.HRL shit as you probably should, and you mark BMF at nav (~0.3) instead of usagi's manipulated price, it really gets really grim. In this scenario, Nyan.A has only 873 worth of assets or 0.58 per share. A shortfall of 628 BTC.
Under the same scenario, Nyan.B has 949 worth of assets, if you deduct the Nyan.A shortfall there is only 321 BTC left, 0.17 BTC per share. Add everything from Nyan.C and it gets to 0.34 BTC/share.
Ouch Ouch.
OH, and before usagi starts calling me a liar again, do the math and decide who is lying.
(oh, and I didnt even factor in any feedback loops. Nyan losing value like that will impact CPA and BMF nav, which will further depress nyan's NAV).
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September 26, 2012, 12:36:50 PM |
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Ive had a .99 ask up since early this morning for NYAN.A (about 12 hours)
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September 26, 2012, 02:04:18 PM |
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ROFL. So its usagi thats paying trolls. Nice. I guess that explains why there are one or two posters here defending the indefensible.
Tell me more. Please explain to me, where all the trolls are that I hired? Oh i'm sorry, they were actualy hired by someone else to attack me. Nice smokescreen. I wonder how you explain that source of income on a tax form. "Professional troll".
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September 26, 2012, 02:12:12 PM |
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ROFL. So its usagi thats paying trolls. Nice. I guess that explains why there are one or two posters here defending the indefensible.
Tell me more. Please explain to me, where all the trolls are that I hired? Oh i'm sorry, they were actualy hired by someone else to attack me. Nice smokescreen. You dont get to make gratuitous accusations about my integrity when all I have posted so far are provable facts and reasonable opinions (which have panned out 100% so far). I stand by each and every one of them, I can back them all up. Can you ? I bet you cant. So point out my lies or apologize. Provide evidence that anyone is paying me to post or apologize. Back up or shut up usagi.
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September 26, 2012, 02:56:45 PM |
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First of all, you've been caught in several outright lies recently, Where? Put up or shut up. which is why you are being called out for a scammer tag on the scammer tag forum.
LOL. You started that thread, so far no one agrees and everyone agrees that what I posted is 100% factually correct. Considering its first grade arithmetic, that shouldnt come as a suprise. You need to tell your paid sockpuppets to give you some support there, so we know who they are. Thats going to be very convincing, considering how many of those shares are controlled by you. I guess you will vote no?
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September 26, 2012, 03:53:38 PM |
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Symbol 2012.09.19 2012.09.20 2012.09.21 2012.09.22 2012.09.23 2012.09.25 2012.09.26 Change % CPA 52079 52079 52079 52079 50829 42500 36160 -15919 -30,57% BMF 5244 5347 5337 5337 4947 4598 4594 -650 -12,40% NYAN.A 1611 1611 1606 1606 1606 1504 1502 -109 -6,77% NYAN.B 2133 2133 2127 2127 2078 1847 1845 -288 -13,50% NYAN.C 3480 3480 3434 3414 3383 3326 3325 -155 -4,45% YARR 290 80 80 80 63 63 63 -227 -78,28% NYAN 1417 1417 1416 1416 1336 911 911 -506 -35,71%
shhhh don't tell him To be honest, showing only what you hold at the moment in your portfolio is a partial picture of what is going on. Why not show income/loss from trading, dividends, fees, share swaps and coin in/out etc. Usagi, do you know how to compile a real P/L statement for a investment portfolio?
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September 26, 2012, 04:34:58 PM |
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BTW, for the future NAV calculations for BMF, do not forget to use 0 for the dead duck in BMF portfolio: 1000 shares of UDN. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110613.0Pufff... 5. The fund is mandated to only invest in bitcoin mining companies listed on the GLBSE and to perform due diligence when investing in securities on the GLBSE. I guess due diligence has no meaning in this contract
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While reading what I wrote, use the most friendliest and relaxing voice in your head. BTW, Things in BTC bubble universes are getting ugly....
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September 26, 2012, 07:15:15 PM |
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So, your honest Usagi is actually a scumbag who is willing to pay for users to troll hes competition, while he wastes your hard earned coin on questionable "investments"
Oooh, pick me, pick me! I'll do it! Just send me the list of targets and I will troll the heck out of them for a salary in bitcoins Although, now that the plan is out in the open, it might not work so good. But You could still pay me to put up posts.
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September 26, 2012, 08:38:52 PM |
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If I offered to do this mr. bear I assure you I have the resources. It is not a problem finding someone to do work like this, I assure you. This goes on in the real world all the time. Paid bashers. All the time. But I ask you; where are my employees? And who are my competitors? I am an insurance company. WTF? I'm the only one! Hot shit. EskimoBob OUTED himself on this one. It's so obvious. Right after "someone" offered to employ eskimobob (and a number of others probably), trolls start appearing and trashing my threads.
Isn't it ironic that they would try and lay the blame on me. Only problem is, it doesn't make sense and actually points to them.
I was just wondering that myself, who would you even consider a competitor you would need to bash? I suppose MU could be considered a competitor of BMF, but why even bother? I am not really familliar with all the details of IRC, how easy would it be to sign in using another person's name? How easy is it to fake logs, couldn't you just edit them to your hearts content after pasting into the reply, or even fabricate the whole thing from scratch?
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September 26, 2012, 08:40:25 PM |
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4. Accounts are created in the 2nd and 3rd week of august -- particularly Puppet and Deprived.
Can't comment on Puppet - but suggest you have another look at when my account was created then apologise. HINT: the year is relevant lol.
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September 26, 2012, 08:56:14 PM Last edit: September 26, 2012, 09:06:46 PM by jborkl |
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Ok I bit and looked at your dates on your account.
Necroaccount much there?
Nov 5 2011 Last post really May 31 2012-Came back from the dead and posted once Sept 8 2012- Came back from the dead again and started blowing people up
You get lost for a year there?
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September 26, 2012, 09:14:44 PM |
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LOL. I dont even know who Mircea is. Is that MPOE-PR with the fat chick avatar? The one with the porn site?
Anyway, Diablo spewed the same crap you are spewing now. Instead of focusing on his business and taking advice and clarifying things to his investors, he went in total denial and while he was burning DMC to the ground, accused me and everyone else that spoke sense that they were trolling, needed a scammer tag, that I was the same person as some 15 other posters who were all arguing against him. I dont believe anyone posted anything there because anyone paid them to do it, but only because Diablo was screwing up, fucking his investors either through gross incompetence or possibly fraud. It didnt help that at the same time, he was being unbelievably arrogant.
Sound familiar?
Thats the parallel usagi; you only came to my attention when you flipped 180 degrees on Diablo and for 5BTC agreed to screw over his shareholders and defend his stealing from his investors. Its only then that I started paying any attention to you and your business, and noticed, that while slightly less extreme, you too are screwing up and fucking your investors either through incompetence or possibly fraud, while being incredibly arrogant about it. One might be excused to think you and diablo are one and the same.
But whether its you, Diablo, Obsi, PatrickHarnett, Goat, Hasking, Ziggystar, Pirate or anyone else, I will not sit idly while leeches blow hot air to inflate GLSBE bubbles with other people's coins, take a profit for themselves before their bubbles collapse, robbing their investors and killing this economy.
Now unlike Diablo, you can keep up the good news show parade for a little longer perhaps, but the numbers dont lie, anyone can do the math. No one needs to pay me to bring stuff like that to light, I will do it for free with pleasure.
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September 26, 2012, 09:25:43 PM |
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BTW, Usagi, you are the one thats on record for taking money to spread propaganda, and to be willing to spend money to have others spread propaganda. Ive never taken a dime and would never even consider it. But even IF I was on someone's payroll, so what? How would that make my posts any less factual? If they were lies, whether someone paid for them or not, they should still be just as easy to disprove. But they are not lies, so you cant, and all thats left is ad hominem attacks and hope no one double checks my numbers.
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September 26, 2012, 11:03:39 PM |
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So, your honest Usagi is actually a scumbag who is willing to pay for users to troll hes competition, while he wastes your hard earned coin on questionable "investments"
Oooh, pick me, pick me! I'll do it! Just send me the list of targets and I will troll the heck out of them for a salary in bitcoins Although, now that the plan is out in the open, it might not work so good. But You could still pay me to put up posts. This is what I am piecing together: 1. Around the time I put up my letter to shareholders on August 1st, Mircea and I have an argument on #bitcoin-assets where ciuciu and I call him out for not having an education. We did this because he was continuously slandering and berating Nefario for not having a financial education. Well it turns out that Mircea has no education at all (no post secondary education). 2. He puts me on ignore. 3. August 5th. Mircea contacts EskimoBob and possibly others, requesting that people create sock puppet accounts to discredit me on the forums.4. Accounts are created in the 2nd and 3rd week of august -- particularly Puppet and Deprived. 5. Attacks begin before they're even out of the newbies forum. They literally leave the newbies forum, and head straight to the Securities forum and start trolling in my threads. 6. After a couple weeks I corner EskimoBob on IRC and he agrees to a contract, which he breaks, netting him a scammer tag accusation (currently under review by Maged). 7. In response to this, he posts logs of a conversation he had with SOMEONE, but with my name in place of whomever it was. 8. TWO DAYS LATER.... MPOE-PR announces that people are being awarded 10,000 shares of MPOE.ETF. Among them are trolls who have been attacking me, however noticably absent are Puppet and EskimoBob as they have outstanding scammer threads which are under review. If I offered to do this mr. bear I assure you I have the resources. It is not a problem finding someone to do work like this, I assure you. This goes on in the real world all the time. Paid bashers. All the time. But I ask you; where are my employees? And who are my competitors? I am an insurance company. WTF? I'm the only one! Hot shit. EskimoBob OUTED himself on this one. It's so obvious. Right after "someone" offered to employ eskimobob (and a number of others probably), trolls start appearing and trashing my threads. Isn't it ironic that they would try and lay the blame on me. Only problem is, it doesn't make sense and actually points to them. For the record, this is complete insanity.
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September 27, 2012, 12:47:37 AM |
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BTW, Usagi, you are the one thats on record for taking money to spread propaganda, and to be willing to spend money to have others spread propaganda. Ive never taken a dime and would never even consider it. But even IF I was on someone's payroll, so what? How would that make my posts any less factual? If they were lies, whether someone paid for them or not, they should still be just as easy to disprove. But they are not lies, so you cant, and all thats left is ad hominem attacks and hope no one double checks my numbers.
For the record, I don't care even if you're being paid. Because I'm capable of seeing posts as more than a vote for either side. If "trolling" (as if that's what this is) is enough to bring down your company, your company wasn't stable enough. If you honestly think paid shills could convince your investors that your companies aren't worth it, then they aren't worth it enough. Calling people trolls and sockpuppets LEFT AND RIGHT smacks of desperation. Usagi - I'd love to invest with you. But you don't exactly inspire confidence... ever.
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