updated

[Puppet]

You've really got to stop lying.

Whats the lie? Are you denying CPA traded at .1 BTC about a week ago when there were >50K shares? Are you denying its trading at 0.034 now that there are 36160 ?

This guy is a liar and he's attempting to manipulate the stock price. I have it on good authority he is being paid to do so.

Back that up, I dare you.

[1715607548]

1715607548

[1715607548]

1715607548

[1715607548]

1715607548

[1715607548]

1715607548

[1715607548]

1715607548

[1715607548]

1715607548

[Puppet]

Dividends isnt the reason. When usagi requested a loan, saying it was needed to grow CPA business and get more insurance contracts ("We have contracts on the table that we can't sign because we can't back the assets yet."),

Verifiable fact. Its a direct quote.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110122.msg1216124

I predicted the coins would instead be used for this:

Verifiable fact.  I just linked the evidence.

The reasoning is as simple as it is flawed; because of the circular ownership of usagi's companies, any loss (or gain) in NAV in any of them has a leveraged effect on all of them.

Simple fact

For instance,  Nyan B holds a large amount of CPA shares. If CPA price goes down, it hurts Nyans NAV, which in turn costs CPA because it both owns and insures NYAN. And so you get a downward spiral, since a further lowering of CPA value again hurts Nyan.

Verifiable fact.  Evidence in your own financial reports.

The same is true for BMF <> Nyan <> CPA.

Verifiable fact.  Evidence in your own financial reports.

So rather than let the market decide what the assets are worth, usagi discovered that with such low market depth, you can easily manipulate prices - at least briefly. He proudly announced he doubled CPA market valuation by buying 1 BTC worth of shares.

Verifiable fact.  Need the link?

That sounded like a plan, but of course it,  didnt last very long.

Verifiable fact
https://glbse.com/asset/view/CPA

He spent at least 500 BTC (most of it loaned at 100+% APR) with no real effect on share price.

Verifiable fact
https://glbse.com/asset/view/CPA

[EskimoBob]

I will be honestly surprised if you (eskimobob) escape a scammer tag.

Scammer tag or not for him, do you honestly think this is a flattering tone to take?

You seem most defensive when accused of lacking professionalism. And yet lacking professionalism on this forum looks to the casual observer like your day job.

~pyotr

You're about as pro as I am, thanks.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1221985#msg1221985

Your question and tone is fair. His is not. There is a BIG difference between the sort of misrepresentation EskimoBob/puppet does, and stating one's opinion. EskimoBob/puppet have now gone off the deep end, completely fabricating information about my companies. Please see the above link. EskimoBob needs a ban.

Let me introduce you to a real Usagi, guy who looks for people to attack other securities 

IRC 2012.09.25

EskimoBob       usagi: do you recall when you asked me to help you set up 20 sock puppet accounts and help you to find flaws in other securities?
guruvan-        that will come usagi
EskimoBob       you even wanted to pay me and I told you NO!
 usagi   Nope.
EskimoBob       do you want me to post the log?
guruvan-        oh lolz
usagi   You THINK it will come, guruvan. Mayube you even want it to come. But it won't
EskimoBob       trust me, you do not want that
guruvan-        aw...c'mon EskimoBob
usagi   EskimoBob go ahead. You're a scammer. You lie about my companies and me, I am not suprised you would sink to making up fake logs
guruvan-        I'd love to see more scammy bullshit today
usagi   Post em right now, let me see
EskimoBob       LOL usagi
usagi   Come on EB
usagi   Post the logs. right now.
EskimoBob       really?
usagi   What's that.. no logs?
EskimoBob       are you sure?

And this is what I posted to show what a scumbag Usagi actually is:

Code:

2012-08-05 16:29:46	usagi	We need someone to go attack competitors on bitcointalk.org
2012-08-05 16:29:55	usagi	Find flaws in their posts.. make them look like idiors
2012-08-05 16:29:58	usagi	One man shows
2012-08-05 16:30:03	usagi	Who don't know what theyre doing
2012-08-05 16:30:13	usagi	You already do a fine job of that actually lolz
2012-08-05 16:30:25	usagi	But you could be paid to... well.... focus... on certain.... targets.
2012-08-05 16:30:25	EskimoBob	indeed but this is not rolling 

Code:

2012-08-05 16:31:05	EskimoBob	hand over your list of targets and what is in it for me ? 
2012-08-05 16:31:29	usagi	Well, we could go by commission (by post) or by weekly salary
2012-08-05 16:31:40	usagi	0.1 per post is probably doable, maybe 0.2
2012-08-05 16:31:54	usagi	There would be a weekly limit I guess, of say 200 posts
2012-08-05 16:32:05	usagi	I wouldn't want to spend more than say 20-40 bitcoins a week on a project like that
2012-08-05 16:32:09	usagi	But something in that range is possible
2012-08-05 16:32:25	usagi	So I guess you could consider it part time work. but highly organized part time work
2012-08-05 16:32:38	usagi	You would keep a text file with a list of posts you made for example
2012-08-05 16:32:40	usagi	so we could check up on it
2012-08-05 16:32:45	usagi	from time to time
2012-08-05 16:32:49	usagi	and for accounting purposes
2012-08-05 16:32:56	EskimoBob	there is a problem with this. You see, my english is not that good and anyone cat tell, it's written by the same guy 
2012-08-05 16:33:00	usagi	You might even bring in a friend to share the glory
2012-08-05 16:33:08	usagi	So what
2012-08-05 16:33:12	usagi	Ahahaha
2012-08-05 16:33:19	EskimoBob	to be honest, I do not like this idea at all 
2012-08-05 16:33:21	usagi	Bring a friend in to help
....

And so on.

So, your honest Usagi is actually a scumbag who is willing to pay for users to troll hes competition, while he wastes your hard earned coin on questionable "investments"

 

[Puppet]

ROFL. So its usagi thats paying trolls. Nice. I guess that explains why there are one or two posters here defending the indefensible.

Unfortunately for usagi, trolls cant change the grim reality. And that reality is, if you calculate Nyan.A nav with latest prices, even when generously assuming the obsiponzi and other delisted ponzis are still worth anything, you get a total of 1075 BTC or 0.71 per share. That means a shortfall of ~426 BTC will have to be ponied up by nyan.B

When you calculate nyan,b's current nav, you get 1345 BTC or 0.73 BTC per share,  That means its already 496 BTC short of its 1 BTC target. But since it will have to compensate for Nyan.A too, its really 496+426= 922 BTC short.  Ouch.

Nyan.C's total nav is 495 BTC (on paper at least,  in reality most of it is already worthless unsaleable and delisted rubbish). So even if its assets gets transferred entirely, Nyan.B is still 400+ BTC short.

TL;DR, Nyan C will be worth zero and optimistically, Nyan.B will still have a NAV of only 0.77.  

If you think thats bad, if you write off the obsi and V.HRL shit as you probably should, and you mark BMF at nav (~0.3) instead of usagi's manipulated price,  it really gets really grim. In this scenario, Nyan.A has only 873 worth of assets or 0.58 per share. A shortfall of 628 BTC.

Under the same scenario, Nyan.B has 949 worth of assets, if you deduct the Nyan.A shortfall there is only 321 BTC left, 0.17 BTC per share.  Add everything from Nyan.C and it gets to 0.34 BTC/share.

Ouch Ouch.

OH, and before usagi starts calling me a liar again, do the math and decide who is lying.

(oh, and I didnt even factor in any feedback loops. Nyan losing value like that will impact CPA and BMF nav, which will further depress nyan's NAV).

[Bitcoin Oz]

Ive had a .99 ask up since early this morning for NYAN.A  (about 12 hours)

[Bitcoin Oz]

ROFL. So its usagi thats paying trolls. Nice. I guess that explains why there are one or two posters here defending the indefensible.

Tell me more.

Please explain to me, where all the trolls are that I hired? Oh i'm sorry, they were actualy hired by someone else to attack me.

Nice smokescreen.

I wonder how you explain that source of income on a tax form. "Professional troll".

[Puppet]

ROFL. So its usagi thats paying trolls. Nice. I guess that explains why there are one or two posters here defending the indefensible.

Tell me more.

Please explain to me, where all the trolls are that I hired? Oh i'm sorry, they were actualy hired by someone else to attack me.

Nice smokescreen.

You dont get to make gratuitous accusations about my integrity when all I have posted so far are provable facts and reasonable opinions (which have panned out 100% so far). I stand by each and every one of them, I can back them all up.  Can you ? I bet you cant. So point out my lies or apologize. Provide evidence that anyone is paying me to post or apologize. Back up or shut up usagi.

[Puppet]

First of all, you've been caught in several outright lies recently,

Where? Put up or shut up.

which is why you are being called out for a scammer tag on the scammer tag forum.

LOL. You started that thread, so far no one agrees and everyone agrees that what I posted is 100% factually correct.   Considering its first grade arithmetic, that shouldnt come as a suprise. You need to tell your paid sockpuppets to give you some support there, so we know who they are.

https://glbse.com/vote/view/148

Thats going to be very convincing, considering how many of those shares are controlled by you. I guess you will vote no?

[Puppet]

Nyan:
http://www.tsukino.ca/cpa/nyan/

BMF:
http://tsukino.ca/bmf/holdings-nav/

Make sure to adjust prices, they are... somewhat optimistic.

CPA is a black box (or black hole) afaik.

[Puppet]

There is something here:
http://www.tsukino.ca/cpa/accounts/

Dont ask me what it means.

[EskimoBob]

Code:

Symbol     2012.09.19 2012.09.20 2012.09.21 2012.09.22 2012.09.23 2012.09.25 2012.09.26    Change  %          
CPA              52079      52079      52079      52079      50829      42500      36160     -15919    -30,57%
BMF               5244       5347       5337       5337       4947       4598       4594       -650    -12,40%
NYAN.A            1611       1611       1606       1606       1606       1504       1502       -109     -6,77%
NYAN.B            2133       2133       2127       2127       2078       1847       1845       -288    -13,50%
NYAN.C            3480       3480       3434       3414       3383       3326       3325       -155     -4,45%
YARR               290         80         80         80         63         63         63       -227    -78,28%
NYAN              1417       1417       1416       1416       1336        911        911       -506    -35,71%

There is something here:
http://www.tsukino.ca/cpa/accounts/

Dont ask me what it means.

shhhh don't tell him

To be honest, showing only what you hold at the moment in your portfolio is a partial picture of what is going on.
Why not show income/loss from trading, dividends, fees, share swaps and coin in/out etc.
Usagi, do you know how to compile a real P/L statement for a investment portfolio?

[EskimoBob]

BTW, for the future NAV calculations for BMF, do not forget to use 0 for the dead duck in BMF portfolio: 1000 shares of UDN.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110613.0

Pufff...

5. The fund is mandated to only invest in bitcoin mining companies listed on the GLBSE and to perform due diligence when investing in securities on the GLBSE.

 I guess due diligence has no meaning in this contract

[bitcoinbear]

So, your honest Usagi is actually a scumbag who is willing to pay for users to troll hes competition, while he wastes your hard earned coin on questionable "investments"

Oooh, pick me, pick me! I'll do it! Just send me the list of targets and I will troll the heck out of them for a salary in bitcoins

Although, now that the plan is out in the open, it might not work so good. But You could still pay me to put up posts.

[bitcoinbear]

If I offered to do this mr. bear I assure you I have the resources. It is not a problem finding someone to do work like this, I assure you. This goes on in the real world all the time. Paid bashers. All the time. But I ask you; where are my employees? And who are my competitors? I am an insurance company. WTF? I'm the only one! Hot shit. EskimoBob OUTED himself on this one. It's so obvious. Right after "someone" offered to employ eskimobob (and a number of others probably), trolls start appearing and trashing my threads.

Isn't it ironic that they would try and lay the blame on me. Only problem is, it doesn't make sense and actually points to them.

I was just wondering that myself, who would you even consider a competitor you would need to bash? I suppose MU could be considered a competitor of BMF, but why even bother?

I am not really familliar with all the details of IRC, how easy would it be to sign in using another person's name? How easy is it to fake logs, couldn't you just edit them to your hearts content after pasting into the reply, or even fabricate the whole thing from scratch?

[Deprived]

4. Accounts are created in the 2nd and 3rd week of august -- particularly Puppet and Deprived.

Can't comment on Puppet - but suggest you have another look at when my account was created then apologise.

HINT: the year is relevant lol.

[jborkl]

Ok I bit and looked at your dates on your account.

Necroaccount much there?

Nov 5 2011  Last post really
May 31 2012-Came back from the dead and posted once
Sept 8 2012- Came back from the dead again and started blowing people up

You get lost for a year there?

[Puppet]

LOL. I dont even know who Mircea is. Is that MPOE-PR  with the fat chick avatar? The one with the porn site?

Anyway, Diablo spewed the same crap you are spewing now. Instead of focusing on his business and taking advice and clarifying things to his investors, he went in total denial and while he was burning DMC to the ground, accused me and everyone else that spoke sense that they were trolling, needed a scammer tag, that I was the same person as some 15 other posters who were all arguing against him. I dont believe anyone posted anything there because anyone paid them to do it, but only because Diablo was screwing up, fucking his investors either through gross incompetence or possibly fraud. It didnt help that at the same time, he was being unbelievably arrogant.

Sound familiar?

Thats the  parallel usagi; you only came to my attention when you flipped 180 degrees on Diablo and for 5BTC agreed to screw over his shareholders and defend his stealing from his investors. Its only then that  I started paying any attention to you and your business,  and noticed, that while slightly less extreme, you too are screwing up and fucking your investors either through  incompetence or possibly fraud, while being incredibly arrogant about it.  One might be excused to think you and diablo are one and the same.

But whether its you, Diablo, Obsi, PatrickHarnett, Goat,  Hasking, Ziggystar, Pirate or anyone else, I will not sit idly while leeches blow hot air to inflate GLSBE bubbles with other people's coins, take a profit for themselves before their bubbles collapse, robbing their investors and killing this economy.

Now unlike Diablo, you can keep up the good news show parade for a little longer perhaps, but the numbers dont lie, anyone can do the math. No one needs to pay me to bring stuff like that to light, I will do it for free with pleasure.

[Puppet]

BTW, Usagi, you are the one thats on record for taking money to spread propaganda, and to be willing to spend money to have others spread propaganda. Ive never taken a dime and would never even consider it. But even IF I was on someone's payroll, so what? How would that make my posts any less factual? If they were lies, whether someone paid for them or not, they should still be just as easy to disprove. But they are not lies, so you cant, and all thats left is ad hominem attacks and hope no one double checks my numbers.

[MPOE-PR]

So, your honest Usagi is actually a scumbag who is willing to pay for users to troll hes competition, while he wastes your hard earned coin on questionable "investments"

Oooh, pick me, pick me! I'll do it! Just send me the list of targets and I will troll the heck out of them for a salary in bitcoins

Although, now that the plan is out in the open, it might not work so good. But You could still pay me to put up posts.

This is what I am piecing together:

1. Around the time I put up my letter to shareholders on August 1st, Mircea and I have an argument on #bitcoin-assets where ciuciu and I call him out for not having an education. We did this because he was continuously slandering and berating Nefario for not having a financial education. Well it turns out that Mircea has no education at all (no post secondary education).
2. He puts me on ignore.
3. August 5th. Mircea contacts EskimoBob and possibly others, requesting that people create sock puppet accounts to discredit me on the forums.
4. Accounts are created in the 2nd and 3rd week of august -- particularly Puppet and Deprived.
5. Attacks begin before they're even out of the newbies forum. They literally leave the newbies forum, and head straight to the Securities forum and start trolling in my threads.
6. After a couple weeks I corner EskimoBob on IRC and he agrees to a contract, which he breaks, netting him a scammer tag accusation (currently under review by Maged).
7. In response to this, he posts logs of a conversation he had with SOMEONE, but with my name in place of whomever it was.
8. TWO DAYS LATER....
MPOE-PR announces that people are being awarded 10,000 shares of MPOE.ETF. Among them are trolls who have been attacking me, however noticably absent are Puppet and EskimoBob as they have outstanding scammer threads which are under review.

If I offered to do this mr. bear I assure you I have the resources. It is not a problem finding someone to do work like this, I assure you. This goes on in the real world all the time. Paid bashers. All the time. But I ask you; where are my employees? And who are my competitors? I am an insurance company. WTF? I'm the only one! Hot shit. EskimoBob OUTED himself on this one. It's so obvious. Right after "someone" offered to employ eskimobob (and a number of others probably), trolls start appearing and trashing my threads.

Isn't it ironic that they would try and lay the blame on me. Only problem is, it doesn't make sense and actually points to them.

For the record, this is complete insanity.

[pyrkne]

BTW, Usagi, you are the one thats on record for taking money to spread propaganda, and to be willing to spend money to have others spread propaganda. Ive never taken a dime and would never even consider it. But even IF I was on someone's payroll, so what? How would that make my posts any less factual? If they were lies, whether someone paid for them or not, they should still be just as easy to disprove. But they are not lies, so you cant, and all thats left is ad hominem attacks and hope no one double checks my numbers.

For the record, I don't care even if you're being paid. Because I'm capable of seeing posts as more than a vote for either side.

If "trolling" (as if that's what this is) is enough to bring down your company, your company wasn't stable enough. If you honestly think paid shills could convince your investors that your companies aren't worth it, then they aren't worth it enough.

Calling people trolls and sockpuppets LEFT AND RIGHT smacks of desperation. Usagi - I'd love to invest with you. But you don't exactly inspire confidence... ever.