crypto-games.net, 30% house edge, bugs and vulnerabilities, screw the investors!

[Dannie]

Is your method something like playing lots of 0.000001 bets on fortunejack for the jackpot or by playing lots of bets on Dadice for the jackpot and special prize of the 500,000,000th bet?

no. it doesn't involve any sort of bonus or jackpot in any way.

Hmm interesting. One more question, with more people knowing the method (since you mentioned you want to sell it to a few persons), will it become less or even no longer effective?

[subSTRATA]

not going to give specifics, a vouch from dooglus especially should clear most doubts though.

I do hope dooglus vouch for this but all I know that it is impossible to have +EV. A good strategy will get you near to zero EV  not make them +EV . Also that this is not clear, you mentioned that it works on a particular dice sites . It should works on any dice sites that have the same house edge since they are not different

it's not some betting strategy like Martingale, it's just that on this particular site, it is possible to get an edge.

[LiQuidx]

Gonna wait for a vouch on this and see where it goes.. It sounds kinda impossible but let's see.

[subSTRATA]

Is your method something like playing lots of 0.000001 bets on fortunejack for the jackpot or by playing lots of bets on Dadice for the jackpot and special prize of the 500,000,000th bet?

no. it doesn't involve any sort of bonus or jackpot in any way.

Hmm interesting. One more question, with more people knowing the method (since you mentioned you want to sell it to a few persons), will it become less or even no longer effective?

can't say, it depends on how far those select few are willing to abuse this, along with if they win or not. again, just having an edge doesn't guarantee bags of money growing on trees or anything.

[cparsley]

What the gentlemen is claiming is he has a way so instead of a 1% -EV game you're looking at, that you would have a mathmatical edge on your bets. While I would be extremely apprehensive about this, I would love to hear the actuarial calculations behind this being actually a +EV proposition.

I will keep it between me and the OP if he chooses, and while I wouldn't discuss his strategy (that's up to him) I would relay if his +EV claim is valid or not.

It is now in his court.

[subSTRATA]

What the gentlemen is claiming is he has a way so instead of a 1% -EV game you're looking at, that you would have a mathmatical edge on your bets. While I would be extremely apprehensive about this, I would love to hear the actuarial calculations behind this being actually a +EV proposition.

I will keep it between me and the OP if he chooses, and while I wouldn't discuss his strategy (that's up to him) I would relay if his +EV claim is valid or not.

It is now in his court.

no offense, but I'm not giving this out to anyone just because they promise not to tell. also, you being just a full member, people might accuse a shill account or something. that's why I'm waiting for someone like dooglus or stunna to offer a vouch.

[DogecoinMachine]

If there's a house edge it can't be EV+. It just can't.

[FanEagle]

Maybe you are just having a lucky period. This is all I can think of.

[jaberwock]

I don't think Stunna will bother to verify your claims unless the dice site you are speaking about is PD.

And I don't know if Dooglus is too much active right now, and I don't know how sharp are his mathematical skills.

[cazkooo]

not going to give specifics, a vouch from dooglus especially should clear most doubts though.

I do hope dooglus vouch for this but all I know that it is impossible to have +EV. A good strategy will get you near to zero EV  not make them +EV . Also that this is not clear, you mentioned that it works on a particular dice sites . It should works on any dice sites that have the same house edge since they are not different

it's not some betting strategy like Martingale, it's just that on this particular site, it is possible to get an edge.

There is no way to get an edge. You could always lower it close to zero . Strategy or what do you call this but you have claim that this is not about getting bonus or strategy as well so there could be only 1 possibility for this, investing on the site ? However I dont think that it is this.

Have you contacted dooglus for a vouch yet for this? I will believe this only if he vouch you

[subSTRATA]

not going to give specifics, a vouch from dooglus especially should clear most doubts though.

I do hope dooglus vouch for this but all I know that it is impossible to have +EV. A good strategy will get you near to zero EV  not make them +EV . Also that this is not clear, you mentioned that it works on a particular dice sites . It should works on any dice sites that have the same house edge since they are not different

it's not some betting strategy like Martingale, it's just that on this particular site, it is possible to get an edge.

There is no way to get an edge. You could always lower it close to zero . Strategy or what do you call this but you have claim that this is not about getting bonus or strategy as well so there could be only 1 possibility for this, investing on the site ? However I dont think that it is this.

Have you contacted dooglus for a vouch yet for this? I will believe this only if he vouch you

I'll send him a pm.

edit: sent, seems hes online so now we wait.

[Twipple]

I'll send him a pm.

edit: sent, seems hes online so now we wait.

Tons of other people have come to think that their method is +EV , but its impossible to have one unless there is an exploit. If there existed any such method all the casinos would have shut down by now.
But since you say a particular dice site, do you mean by an exploit ? As the factors which would make you think that would be max bet size and lowest bet possible on the site or a zero or negative house edge. There is no other different way to beat the house.

[dooglus]

as in the title. im fairly sure I found a +EV method for a particular dice site, if someone like dooglus would pm me to confirm for this I would consider selling this bit of info to a few people. just being +EV goes not guarantee massive profits because this is gambling after all, but it is +EV. this does not involve martingale whatsoever.

how is that possible   that's insane
it's impossible to find a dice site that you can have +EV playing it
if this topic was for newbie then I will laugh a lot , but this is coming from a Hero Member  
damn I'm so curious to know what is this ( particular ) dice site
I won't buy it and I won't believe it unless I know the site

It's not impossible at all. DaDice for instance has a jackpot that pays out 20 million satoshis for a 1 satoshi bet, and hits about 1 in 4 million rolls. That's massively +EV (except that the jackpot isn't at all provably fair, and it is really easy for them to cheat).

subSTRATA, if you want to PM me the details I'd be happy to check it out and confirm or deny. If you did find a problem I hope you would offer it to the site itself for a reasonable price first.

Edit:

Now that I understand better that your method is simply +EV and not necessarily a sure winning method I'm not as interested.

But +EV is really all you need. Play long enough, apply proper bankroll management and you will win.

(Assuming of course that it really *is* +EV).

There's always luck involved and so it's possible to have short term losses. Think of counting cards at blackjack for instance. It's possible to have long losing sessions, but the odds are in your favour if you do it right, and so you will eventually end up ahead.

Edit2: Lots of people are saying it's not possible to find a +EV strategy. I wouldn't be so sure. There can be all kinds of problems with the implementation of a dice game. PRC dice used to roll high numbers more often than low numbers due to a bug, and so it was possible to have a +EV game just by rolling 'hi' every time. I can imagine a game where your payout is rounded up to the nearest satoshi rather than down, such that a 60% bet ends up paying 2x for small bets. That would be +EV. And so on.

+EV means "positive expected value", and basically just means that the odds are in your favour rather than against you.

[Twipple]

Edit2: Lots of people are saying it's not possible to find a +EV strategy. I wouldn't be so sure. There can be all kinds of problems with the implementation of a dice game. PRC dice used to roll high numbers more often than low numbers due to a bug, and so it was possible to have a +EV game just by rolling 'hi' every time. I can imagine a game where your payout is rounded up to the nearest satoshi rather than down, such that a 60% bet ends up paying 2x for small bets. That would be +EV. And so on.

But that will only be the case with sites which have a fault in them and the person is exploiting that flaw. The method on its own wouldn't be +EV , and since substrata already mentioned that it doesn't involve taking advantage of a flaw, we can rule that out.

[dooglus]

But that will only be the case with sites which have a fault in them and the person is exploiting that flaw. The method on its own wouldn't be +EV , and since substrata already mentioned that it doesn't involve taking advantage of a flaw, we can rule that out.

Right, and he also said it doesn't involve a jackpot. Sometimes jackpots can be +EV for the player - maybe it's being paid out of the site's pocket as a promotion, or maybe it's a progressive pot that fills over time from other players making losing bets.

But if there's no flaw and no jackpot then I don't see where the +EV is going to come from.

[Twipple]

But that will only be the case with sites which have a fault in them and the person is exploiting that flaw. The method on its own wouldn't be +EV , and since substrata already mentioned that it doesn't involve taking advantage of a flaw, we can rule that out.

Right, and he also said it doesn't involve a jackpot. Sometimes jackpots can be +EV for the player - maybe it's being paid out of the site's pocket as a promotion, or maybe it's a progressive pot that fills over time from other players making losing bets.

But if there's no flaw and no jackpot then I don't see where the +EV is going to come from.

Yes.
By the way he did say he sent you a PM .

I'll send him a pm.

edit: sent, seems hes online so now we wait.

[toy4lov3rs]

+EV create a thread and respond to every post singly   That aside I would be interested of course as most would be but I'll wait for dooglus to see whats up, if it really is and the site in question does not accept paying you for it then I will make an offer for sure.

[cazkooo]

Right, and he also said it doesn't involve a jackpot.

Also he claimed that this is not a betting strategy so I can only think of one thing and that is exploit or found a flaw in a website. Also that he keep on saying in this particular website so it is something like a flaw on the website.

it's not some betting strategy like Martingale, it's just that on this particular site, it is possible to get an edge.

if it really is and the site in question does not accept paying you for it then I will make an offer for sure.

I would pay handsomely as well if dooglus acknowledge it and the site doesnt pay you a good amount. I wonder what this particular website is, must be some sort of not so popular website

[magicmexican]

If its not an exploit, does it mean that you are confident about site owners knowing about, and wont be 'fixing' it upon noticing?

[ComboChris]

as in the title. im fairly sure I found a +EV method for a particular dice site, if someone like dooglus would pm me to confirm for this I would consider selling this bit of info to a few people. just being +EV goes not guarantee massive profits because this is gambling after all, but it is +EV. this does not involve martingale whatsoever.

Considering you're willing to sell the method it doesn't seem as highly profitable as the buyer might think since otherwise you would just use the method on you're own.