crypto-games.net, 30% house edge, bugs and vulnerabilities, screw the investors!

[Dogedigital]

Why would you even play here? The site is shit.

Looking at their UI if you do a bet with a 200x it shows you figures that indicate a 0% house edge. But if you actually place the bet, then follow the provably fair result: you'll see the house edge is exactly 2% (a far cry from what they promise).

The guy said it best himself, he doesn't do maths. And it shows.

I was testing out the site.  I had something come up and left the auto roller on.  I seen how much it was down and then started paying closer attention and soon caught that I wasn't winning a single bet.  So by that point, I figured I'd start recording the results and then share it here so that something would be done about it or show that the site is just in full blown scam mode now.

[Mist]

Wow, I've been gone a couple of days and all this happens? Guess I need to catch up. Pretty huge mess-up by the OP if you ask me.

explain where i "messed up."

also, regarding the second bug that dooglus found, it could potentially be a bigger issue than it might seem at first glance, but i dont care enough to find out its potential implications. I only have basic knowledge of this bug based off what dooglus has sent me.

Why would you even play here? The site is shit.

Looking at their UI if you do a bet with a 200x it shows you figures that indicate a 0% house edge. But if you actually place the bet, then follow the provably fair result: you'll see the house edge is exactly 2% (a far cry from what they promise).

The guy said it best himself, he doesn't do maths. And it shows.

from one problem to another, this is actually hilarious.

Ooh, another thing wrong with a fairly shit site? Grab your popcorn guys, we got a show!

[Dogedigital]

Video of ~3000 rolls.  Tried to do 5000 but obviously ran out of money.  I have another 10 minutes of this showing the exact same thing but chose only to upload this one for now.

1/200 chance.  No winners in ~20,000 rolls.

https://youtu.be/dkhkUcygZv8

[sbankerdemon]

People do not want to report bugs just because of this kind of attitude from some website owners and also no bounty. A bug bounty is great to get information on bugs in your site before someone exploits it. And this guy instead of selling it reported to you. You should respect that and give him bounty.

[subSTRATA]

Video of ~3000 rolls.  Tried to do 5000 but obviously ran out of money.  I have another 10 minutes of this showing the exact same thing but chose only to upload this one for now.

1/200 chance.  No winners in ~20,000 rolls.

https://youtu.be/dkhkUcygZv8

i think you mean memory (nvm, bankroll, got it.). anyways, this kind of variance is highly unlikely.

[Dogedigital]

Video of ~3000 rolls.  Tried to do 5000 but obviously ran out of money.  I have another 10 minutes of this showing the exact same thing but chose only to upload this one for now.

1/200 chance.  No winners in ~20,000 rolls.

https://youtu.be/dkhkUcygZv8

i think you mean memory. anyways, this kind of variance is highly unlikely.

I think it's way up there with winning the mega millions jackpot back to back. 

[Dogedigital]

So yeah...  The very least you can do to start off with is refunding my .4BTC.  Ball is in your court Crypto-games.net team.

[sbankerdemon]

So yeah...  The very least you can do to start off with is refunding my .4BTC.  Ball is in your court Crypto-games.net team.

They will soon turn out to be scam imo. I don't think they are going to refund anyone's money. Or will give an excuse "We hate maths - Not our fault"

[subSTRATA]

seems a "Rush224" is able to bet 6666x despite the limit being 200x for now, i highly suspect that I know the bug the user is exploiting to get this multiplier value. he seems to be up about ~.33 BTC at the time of writing this post with a marginal house edge from his bets;

1 - ( 6666*0.0015) = .999, 0.1% house edge. the quick fix of adding another decimal place didnt really fix the issue completely it seems.
( 0.992/6666 ) = 0.0001488148

what a difference that small amount makes...

same deal with Russel434, around 0.02 up at the time of writing this; betting 1094x.

[Mist]

Yeah, shits fucked on this site. Avoid it like the plague boys

[waterpile]

Yeah, shits fucked on this site. Avoid it like the plague boys

well the site is pretty much dead even before the bug tragedy story happened. People should really check the site before investing some hard earned money because you really don't know if it was coded by some wannabe's coder or not. I hope those people who do really know how to code continue checking every site out there..

[subSTRATA]

Yeah, shits fucked on this site. Avoid it like the plague boys

thats a rather crude way to put it, but yes, basically that.


this guy needs to get out, like now. 4.66 BTC invested given the current situation.

[Mist]

Yeah, shits fucked on this site. Avoid it like the plague boys

thats a rather crude way to put it, but yes, basically that.


this guy needs to get out, like now. 4.66 BTC invested given the current situation.

I'm not here to sugar coat anything. Poorly coded, bad management, and the lack of ability to do math. Recipe for the investors to lose everything. Only reason to stay around here is if you are a player that can abuse the glitches and make some bank.

[subSTRATA]

Yeah, shits fucked on this site. Avoid it like the plague boys

thats a rather crude way to put it, but yes, basically that.


this guy needs to get out, like now. 4.66 BTC invested given the current situation.

I'm not here to sugar coat anything. Poorly coded, bad management, and the lack of ability to do math. Recipe for the investors to lose everything. Only reason to stay around here is if you are a player that can abuse the glitches and make some bank.

not saying im trying to sugar coat it, just saying the language was rather crude. but after the shady turn of events, im going to assume that crypto-games.net will not be giving anything for the bug finding(s), and considering the address in OP as a tip address. if dooglus wants to post one too ill gladly edit it into the op, the guy really deserves credit for finding some back-end bugs.

[waterpile]

since I was following chat there, I witnessed a number of people divesting out of there including a MOD.

Guys please. We all make mistakes, don't we?

In your case mistake isn't an option, you're running a gambling site and people have entrusted you with their hard earned money.. don't play the i am just a human excuse.. people already warned you and want to get it fixed before it it would turn into a pretty big mess but you chose your ego " We are confident with our code" yeah right, serves you right

[Mist]

Yeah, shits fucked on this site. Avoid it like the plague boys

thats a rather crude way to put it, but yes, basically that.


this guy needs to get out, like now. 4.66 BTC invested given the current situation.

I'm not here to sugar coat anything. Poorly coded, bad management, and the lack of ability to do math. Recipe for the investors to lose everything. Only reason to stay around here is if you are a player that can abuse the glitches and make some bank.

not saying im trying to sugar coat it, just saying the language was rather crude. but after the shady turn of events, im going to assume that crypto-games.net will not be giving anything for the bug finding(s), and considering the address in OP as a tip address. if dooglus wants to post one too ill gladly edit it into the op, the guy really deserves credit for finding some back-end bugs.

Yeah, I got you. Dooglus really is good at finding bugs and he gets paid from sites regularly for it. I'm sure he wont mind too much though.

[subSTRATA]

assuming with this hotfix, that a 99.999 is the highest obtainable roll, one player is still exploiting for a +EV using the exploit that dooglus has found:



1 - ( 1094*0.001 ) = -.094, 9.4% edge for the player.

this is an absolute laughingstock at this point.

[xetsr]

Yeah, shits fucked on this site. Avoid it like the plague boys

thats a rather crude way to put it, but yes, basically that.


this guy needs to get out, like now. 4.66 BTC invested given the current situation.

I'm not here to sugar coat anything. Poorly coded, bad management, and the lack of ability to do math. Recipe for the investors to lose everything. Only reason to stay around here is if you are a player that can abuse the glitches and make some bank.

not saying im trying to sugar coat it, just saying the language was rather crude. but after the shady turn of events, im going to assume that crypto-games.net will not be giving anything for the bug finding(s), and considering the address in OP as a tip address. if dooglus wants to post one too ill gladly edit it into the op, the guy really deserves credit for finding some back-end bugs.

Yeah, I got you. Dooglus really is good at finding bugs and he gets paid from sites regularly for it. I'm sure he wont mind too much though.

Wait, so Dooglus blackmails other sites too? word it anyway you want but this was blackmail, pay my price or I release / sell the exploit that would harm not only the owner but innocent investors who probably didn't know better.

right? Or am I missing something here?

[subSTRATA]

Yeah, shits fucked on this site. Avoid it like the plague boys

thats a rather crude way to put it, but yes, basically that.


this guy needs to get out, like now. 4.66 BTC invested given the current situation.

I'm not here to sugar coat anything. Poorly coded, bad management, and the lack of ability to do math. Recipe for the investors to lose everything. Only reason to stay around here is if you are a player that can abuse the glitches and make some bank.

not saying im trying to sugar coat it, just saying the language was rather crude. but after the shady turn of events, im going to assume that crypto-games.net will not be giving anything for the bug finding(s), and considering the address in OP as a tip address. if dooglus wants to post one too ill gladly edit it into the op, the guy really deserves credit for finding some back-end bugs.

Yeah, I got you. Dooglus really is good at finding bugs and he gets paid from sites regularly for it. I'm sure he wont mind too much though.

Wait, so Dooglus blackmails other sites too? word it anyway you want but this was blackmail, pay my price or I release / sell the exploit that would harm not only the owner but innocent investors who probably didn't know better.

right? Or am I missing something here?

think what youd like, i offered to help them but they turned hostile on me, and even though i tried to keep their site's name hidden, they went and let it out themselves, causing all this. i admit i did try to sell it for a short period of time, but soon abandoned the idea, morality isnt that cheap, and i plan to keep it that way.

in regards to "pay my price" or whatever, i offered 1 BTC for the bug on the +EV bets, and another 0.5 BTC for a back end bug that dooglus found, but agreeing to disclose that second part was not my decision as i had no in depth-knowledge of that bug. apparently, getting the major bug that allowed for +EV bets (32% at that) wasnt good enough, so the admin started getting rather hostile and insulting. from that last part, i was tempted to sell it or whatever, but as i said above, i abandoned the idea in 20 or so minutes, opting for the moral route. then you know, all this started.

i expressed it before too, there are several other bugs that are clearly being exploited right now; i am not disclosing them especially because one individual has invested quite a large sum into the site. also, i never threatened them.

[xetsr]

Blackmail is blackmail.

I dont know the current situation with this site but if these are real investors, you are just as bad as the site owner. Same with dooglus.... others have gotten negative feedback for blackmailing other scammers, not sure why neither of you have gotten some yet.

Bottom line: You were willing to profit from possibly innocent investors if the owner failed to pay you.