TOWN HALL (prep) Meeting: Butterfly Labs

[MrTeal]

So, whatever happened to Sonny answering the questions posed to him?

[Bitinvestor]

So, whatever happened to Sonny answering the questions posed to him?

It might have been postponed by a month?

[Syke]

So, whatever happened to Sonny answering the questions posed to him?

He'll answer in 4-6 weeks.

[Starlightbreaker]

So, whatever happened to Sonny answering the questions posed to him?

He'll answer in 4-6 weeks.

with all delays and whatnot, i guess it'll be around 2-3 months.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

So, whatever happened to Sonny answering the questions posed to him?

It might have been postponed by a month?

Let me see if I have this correct. A promise was made that Sonny will pen a response over the weekend, and it's still not published, by the same guy espousing product is forthcoming by the same entity who has delivered product late in the past. Luckily we're not talking about $9,000,000 USD mostly via Bitcoin in pre-orders, otherwise I would really be concern.

~Bruno~

[the_thing]

I would like to know what specific functions Sonny carries out within BFL. Is he a director, president, owner, CEO, founder, employee, or a combination of some or all of the above? Also, what is the history of his involvement with BFL?

^ +1. Unlike the other stupid questions, this is really the only one that matters.

Have you considered the possibility that all employees of BFL might be knowingly involved in the scam and thus whatever they say is possibly a lie?

[niko]

So, whatever happened to Sonny answering the questions posed to him?

Electronic Frontier Foundation.  As for Sonny K, hopefully BFL_Sonny will address that when he posts.  As I understand it, he will be working on a response this weekend.

[Rassah]

I would like to know what specific functions Sonny carries out within BFL. Is he a director, president, owner, CEO, founder, employee, or a combination of some or all of the above? Also, what is the history of his involvement with BFL?

^ +1. Unlike the other stupid questions, this is really the only one that matters.

Have you considered the possibility that all employees of BFL might be knowingly involved in the scam and thus whatever they say is possibly a lie?

Yes I have.

[niko]

So, whatever happened to Sonny answering the questions posed to him?

Electronic Frontier Foundation.  As for Sonny K, hopefully BFL_Sonny will address that when he posts.  As I understand it, he will be working on a response this weekend.

BFL_SonnyNewbie OnlinePosts: 2 IgnoreRe: Hi, my name is Sonny VleisidesSeptember 21, 2012, 07:13:37 PM #86Thank you all for your comments...  both positive and negative.  I see many of our competitors in this thread pushing their agenda which isn't surprising but still, there are some very reasonable posts with deserving questions.  Overall, I appreciate the public's reason for concern and I will return and provide answers.

Crickets.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

So, whatever happened to Sonny answering the questions posed to him?

Electronic Frontier Foundation.  As for Sonny K, hopefully BFL_Sonny will address that when he posts.  As I understand it, he will be working on a response this weekend.

BFL_SonnyNewbie OnlinePosts: 2 IgnoreRe: Hi, my name is Sonny VleisidesSeptember 21, 2012, 07:13:37 PM #86Thank you all for your comments...  both positive and negative.  I see many of our competitors in this thread pushing their agenda which isn't surprising but still, there are some very reasonable posts with deserving questions.  Overall, I appreciate the public's reason for concern and I will return and provide answers.

Crickets.

Until Sonny Vleisides comes here and states otherwise, we can all now safely assume that Sonny K and Sonny Vleisides is one and the same.

[Syke]

Until Sonny Vleisides comes here and states otherwise, we can all now safely assume that Sonny K and Sonny Vleisides is one and the same.

Be patient. It takes a lot of time to fabricate good-sounding replies to all the questions asked.

[benco]

2. Details on the future plans and products
- what's the warranty period for the SCs? (I really hope there is one ...)
- any ASIC v.2 planned in near future or full focus on production?

Thanks.

I was seriously interested in buying 3 pc of their MiniRigSC, so I sent them an email with few questions. One of them related to warranty (length and the possibility of some kind of SLA). The answer was short - 6 months.

For such expensive device I would expect extended warranty (even for extra money) and guaranted repair time. Am I alone?

That was one of the reasons why I changed my mind and stop thinking about MiniRigSC..at least until there will be available on market with full specs.

[greyhawk]

That IS a good question. Are there no service level agreements available? 

[benco]

That IS a good question. Are there no service level agreements available? 

According to what I got from them - no 

Standard 6 months warranty only, maybe Josh could explain in more details..

[fbastage]

I would recommend that a concise list of questions be taken from this (and other?) threads and hosted elsewhere.  This type of forum  is too prone to noise and crosstalk.

I would also think questions could be subdivided into areas of interest, such as questions on the past legal conviction, questions on ASIC details, questions on delivery dates, questions on agreements and refunds.

Linked/footnoted supporting evidence would be nice, and for claims (i.e. several people having received refunds) perhaps gpg signed statements from such people.

A wiki would probably be ideal.

[repentance]

Until Sonny Vleisides comes here and states otherwise, we can all now safely assume that Sonny K and Sonny Vleisides is one and the same.

That's a logical fallacy Phin - your premise doesn't support your conclusion.  Sonny could come in here and tell you that they're two different people and be lying.  Conversely, they may be two different people and Sonny's failure to state that doesn't change the reality.  You can say that until Sonny comes here and states X that you are going to make certain assumptions, but it's not logically true that we can all now safely assume that your given conclusion is valid.

[greyhawk]

That IS a good question. Are there no service level agreements available? 

According to what I got from them - no 

Standard 6 months warranty only, maybe Josh could explain in more details..

Wow. That is fucked up. I've never seen a hardware supplier selling industry hardware and not offering SLA.

[MrTeal]

That IS a good question. Are there no service level agreements available? 

According to what I got from them - no 

Standard 6 months warranty only, maybe Josh could explain in more details..

Wow. That is fucked up. I've never seen a hardware supplier selling industry hardware and not offering SLA.

To be fair, BFL is a pretty new company that's just had a big expansion. They aren't exactly IBM here.

[greyhawk]

To be fair, BFL is a pretty new company that's just had a big expansion. They aren't exactly IBM here.

Doesn't matter. I buy a lot of services/products from software and hardware providers even as small as BFL, some even smaller, and all of them offer SLA.

[benco]

To be fair, BFL is a pretty new company that's just had a big expansion. They aren't exactly IBM here.

That's true, but I really would like to know in advance, what should I do when $30k device stop working and I will not know, how long I have to wait for repair and how much will it cost (after warranty expiration).