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October 17, 2016, 11:04:10 AM
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@cryptodevil: Could you please rename this thread from:

'Polish-registered recyclix.com is provably a Ponzi scheme'

into:

'Polish-registered recyclix.com is a Ponzi scheme'.

I think the overwhelming prove you guys provided says it all.

BTW, thanks for that (and you all others - like Bruno - too) !

Note that it says 'provably' not 'probably'. But I'd remove it anyway, as 99% people will read it as 'probably'



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October 23, 2016, 12:00:26 PM
 #282

Member of moneymaker forum pmp87 ( http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Recyclix-Recyclixcom-t493509.html&st=405 )
informs that Recyclix pays selectively and warns about possible identity thieft
https://s17.postimg.org/5px1pafn3/Identity_Theft_Prevention.jpg

pmp87 created mentioned thread more than year ago and all posts were positive. It has changed last days.
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October 23, 2016, 12:47:57 PM
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At least they admit they're a pyramid scheme..
Somewhat honest, unlike MasterTrader (check sig)
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October 23, 2016, 01:30:40 PM
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At least they admit they're a pyramid scheme..
Somewhat honest, unlike MasterTrader (check sig)

As i know, they still claim that there is no pyramid, and that revenues comes from waste recycling.
Where they admit that are Ponzi scheme?

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October 23, 2016, 02:25:01 PM
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At least they admit they're a pyramid scheme..
Somewhat honest, unlike MasterTrader (check sig)

As i know, they still claim that there is no pyramid, and that revenues comes from waste recycling.
Where they admit that are Ponzi scheme?

They were smart enough to rephrase it, but their payment policy stated:

Now, on to the part where the scammers' own small-print clearly states them to be a Ponzi scheme:

Recyclix Sp.z o.o may merge these funds with the funds of other Users and its proprietary funds. These merged funds may be used for payments to other Users or for the sake of our mutual corporate aims or otherwise. However, Recyclix Sp.z o.o. shall in any case pay or return you the funds according to this Payment Policy and the Terms of Use.

This tells you that they are stating they will use your money to pay other users - Ponzi scheme.

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October 24, 2016, 07:12:35 AM
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Member of moneymaker forum pmp87 ( http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Recyclix-Recyclixcom-t493509.html&st=405 )
informs that Recyclix pays selectively and warns about possible identity thieft


pmp87 created mentioned thread more than year ago and all posts were positive. It has changed last days.


Identity theft is a by-product of these scams and I previously highlighted how a supposedly legitimate Colombian businessman, Roman Parra, who recently was attempting to run his own bitcoin exchange, is directly and provably linked to Recyclix through a company which is already implicated in identity theft.



Oh I just can't help myself and I know the Recyclix shills and fanbois will be desperately claiming there isn't a connection so, here, let me show you the path from roman_parra@hotmail.com Recyclix ponzi scammer through to Roman Parra, supposed respectable Bitcoin entrepreneur.

First, let's remind ourselves of the information revealed by the Recyclix payment back in their early days before they got their shit together:
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As you can see they had to process fiat payments through their existing payment processor account, which was registered to a company called 'C.I. Alternative Trade Ltda' for which online searches show a history of fraudulent behaviour. This is where we first meet 'Roman Parra' by way of his hotmail address linked to that payment account.

So, now we've objectively established that the company behind Recyclix is 'C.I. Alternative Trade Ltda', let's see what information can be found about it:
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As you can see, it is classed as a small promotions and advertising company.

But who is running the show there?
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Oh look! It appears that a gentleman called, 'Roman Eduardo Parra Gonzales' is the full name of the registered manager for this criminal enterprise.


Now, let's set about connecting the scammer Roman Eduardo Parra Gonzales, who owns the email account roman_parra@hotmail.com to the supposedly respectable Roman Parra, bitcoin entrepreneur.

Prior to becoming the thieving douchebag he would later choose to be, a young Roman Parra attended University and studied Industrial Production and Engineering. He wrote a detailed thesis on the subject, in Spanish naturally, but we are not particularly interested in the content of this thesis, just the name and email address of the student named as its author:
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Roman Parra Gonzales wrote this thesis and, as you see, his email address is the very same roman_parra@hotmail.com who would later go on to become the fraudster douchebag behind many online scams.

This is a linkedin page the supposedly respectable bitcoin entrepreneur version of Roman Parra has:
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His 'legitimate' business interests are listed there, such as Colbitex, Bitcoin Suramerica and Woodshares, which shares remarkably similar characteristics to the enviro-friendly Recyclix scam as you 'invest' in trees, you know, for the environment! Roman Parra knows his shit when it comes to yanking people's chains about the environment and persuading them to part with their hard-earned cash on the promise of bigger returns, later.

His Twitter account also lists his CEO and Founder status of these companies:
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Handily enough, it also shows he has another name after the 'Parra' beginning with 'G' and I'm betting big that is stands for, 'Gonzales'.

Ok, so now we have the 'CEO and Founder' of these supposedly legitimate bitcoin companies with the name 'Roman Parra Gonzales', anybody want to bet there's an 'Eduardo' in there, too?

But let's take a look at the rest of his linkedin page:
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How interesting! The supposedly respectable bitcoin entrepreneur version of Roman Parra studied Industrial Production and Engineering, as well as training as a Marketing Specialist. Remember that C.I. Alternative Trade Ltda is listed as an advertising and promotions company? My, how the young engineering student has grown!

Funny how he fails to mention being manager of C.I. Alternative Trade Ltda in the list of companies in his linkedin profile.

It seems it is still active in various scams and can be found mentioned in places such as ScamGuard!
https://www.scamguard.com/million-wishescom/?page=2
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Just goes to show, once a scamming douchebag, always a scamming douchebag.

Now, about those bitcointalk accounts and threads he created to promote his 'legitimate' operations. . .





WARNING!!! Check your forum URLs carefully and avoid links to phishing sites like 'thebitcointalk' 'bitcointalk.to' and 'BitcointaLLk'
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October 24, 2016, 08:23:13 AM
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[...]Identity theft is a by-product of these scams and I previously highlighted how a supposedly legitimate Colombian businessman, Roman Parra, who recently was attempting to run his own bitcoin exchange, is directly and provably linked to Recyclix through a company which is already implicated in identity theft. [...]

Ah, OK... you actually mean "provaby", like "beyond doubt, able to proof"...

I'd still urge you to:

@cryptodevil: Could you please rename this thread from:

'Polish-registered recyclix.com is provably a Ponzi scheme'

into:

'Polish-registered recyclix.com is a Ponzi scheme'.

I think the overwhelming prove you guys provided says it all.

BTW, thanks for that (and you all others - like Bruno - too) !

Note that it says 'provably' not 'probably'. But I'd remove it anyway, as 99% people will read it as 'probably'

As I (and probably many other "non-native-English-speakers" (and probably some native-English-speakers too) did read it as 'probably'... unfortunately.

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October 24, 2016, 09:33:24 AM
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[...]Identity theft is a by-product of these scams and I previously highlighted how a supposedly legitimate Colombian businessman, Roman Parra, who recently was attempting to run his own bitcoin exchange, is directly and provably linked to Recyclix through a company which is already implicated in identity theft. [...]

Ah, OK... you actually mean "provaby", like "beyond doubt, able to proof"...

I'd still urge you to:

@cryptodevil: Could you please rename this thread from:

'Polish-registered recyclix.com is provably a Ponzi scheme'

into:

'Polish-registered recyclix.com is a Ponzi scheme'.

I think the overwhelming prove you guys provided says it all.

BTW, thanks for that (and you all others - like Bruno - too) !

Note that it says 'provably' not 'probably'. But I'd remove it anyway, as 99% people will read it as 'probably'

As I (and probably many other "non-native-English-speakers" (and probably some native-English-speakers too) did read it as 'probably'... unfortunately.


I agree, tenouttaten change it. If I was Cryptodevil i'd change it, like you said, albeit I might change it to: Polish-registered recyclix.com is <I>really</I> a Ponzi scheme
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I actually think that your reasoning is boring and stupid. Talking about that user on moneymaker group, you should better READ ALL then you could understand he is a troll as everyone is getting paid and he is doing all this problem because he IS SAYING that he didn't receive a 20 euros payment with bitcoins. Do you know that bitcoin transaction sometimes could get stuck? We are talking about a 20 euros problem when we are getting hundreds and hundreds of money with no problem. THERE ARE NOT SELECTIVE PAYMENTS or you should have found many more problems like this? Use your brain.
Do we want to talk about the ID request? It has always been in the site if you deposit with credit card. That is just an edited image that has no sense. During the convenction on the last open day has been clearly told by them that they are increasing the checks on the ID in order to regularize their position. In fact they have signed a contract with a new provider of ID CHECKS. You should better get informed before to talk.

Concerning to all the story about Roman Parra, i can't explain that but i personally think that the payment is a fake one as the FEE for PAYPAL WITHDRAWALS is 3.5% and it has always been this one and the fee in that payment is different so it can't be true.

Oh...i just forgot one thing. Do you know that when you register on recyclix you sign a CONTRACT? Well, the ID request can be made at every moment as it is stated there. So what's the problem? If you have an account you MUST RESPECT THE CONTRACT...if you don't want to or if you have problems with this, you can just delete your account.
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I actually think that your reasoning is boring and stupid. Talking about that user on moneymaker group, you should better READ ALL then you could understand he is a troll as everyone is getting paid and he is doing all this problem because he IS SAYING that he didn't receive a 20 euros payment with bitcoins. Do you know that bitcoin transaction sometimes could get stuck? We are talking about a 20 euros problem when we are getting hundreds and hundreds of money with no problem. THERE ARE NOT SELECTIVE PAYMENTS or you should have found many more problems like this? Use your brain.
Do we want to talk about the ID request? It has always been in the site if you deposit with credit card. That is just an edited image that has no sense. During the convenction on the last open day has been clearly told by them that they are increasing the checks on the ID in order to regularize their position. In fact they have signed a contract with a new provider of ID CHECKS. You should better get informed before to talk.

Concerning to all the story about Roman Parra, i can't explain that but i personally think that the payment is a fake one as the FEE for PAYPAL WITHDRAWALS is 3.5% and it has always been this one and the fee in that payment is different so it can't be true.

Oh...i just forgot one thing. Do you know that when you register on recyclix you sign a CONTRACT? Well, the ID request can be made at every moment as it is stated there. So what's the problem? If you have an account you MUST RESPECT THE CONTRACT...if you don't want to or if you have problems with this, you can just delete your account.

Yes. Contract. When you sign contract with any institution, there have to be address of both contractors. Can you tell me what address of Recyclix is on your contract?

Because:

"CONTACT US

Al.Solidarnosci 115, office 2, zip: 00 140, Warszawa, Polska"



this address don't exist!

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The Address is officially recognized, in many country you can officially do that. Virtual/Legal addresses are legal in Poland, get informed please.
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[...] Use your brain. [...]

Yes! That's actually quite good advice!!! Please "use your brain"...

This company runs a Ponzi scheme. They actually clearly state so themselves.

If you don't know what a Ponzi Scheme is, please educate yourself.

If you still want to give them your money, please do so...

But don't come here (or anywhere else, for that matter) trying to convince other people to give you their money.

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...desperation...

Urgh. You again, still desperately flailing at that keyboard in the hope that the sentences you produce will magically make the Ponzi scam known as Recyclix magically not be a ponzi scam.

Concerning to all the story about Roman Parra, i can't explain that but i personally think that the payment is a fake one as the FEE for PAYPAL WITHDRAWALS is 3.5% and it has always been this one and the fee in that payment is different so it can't be true.

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I did already point out to you when you last tried floating this irrelevance but, now please pay attention this time, if you look at the details of that payment you will see the label "Buyer email", yes?

Ok, now, do you understand what a payment you make to somebody through paypal, one in which *you* provide your email address as the 'Buyer' is? It means you are buying something and the money you are sending is the payment to the seller for the thing you are buying.

Still with me? I know you struggle to comprehend this complicated rocket science.

So, the person receiving this payment notification posted above, in which the payment they receive is sent from somebody marked as the 'Buyer', is, that's right, the fucking seller!

This means the transaction fee is not that which is due for a withdrawal, it is that which is due for a, in this case, cross-border sale of goods and/or services.


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Look at Google Trends ( https://www.google.pl/trends/explore?date=today%2012-m&q=recyclix). They had a peak connected to Open Days and it still goes very well. They have harvest now and frankly it makes no sense they stop paying and scaring away potential victims. I admit that this scheme is very well organized and can last long, even 1-2 years more.
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The Address is officially recognized, in many country you can officially do that. Virtual/Legal addresses are legal in Poland, get informed please.

I know that virtual address is legal.

On the website is information "Contact us" - how? Through a virtual address? And you want to tell me that company with virtual (not existing) address is legit?

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The Address is officially recognized, in many country you can officially do that. Virtual/Legal addresses are legal in Poland, get informed please.
I know that virtual address is legal.

On the website is information "Contact us" - how? Through a virtual address? And you want to tell me that company with virtual (not existing) address is legit?

I'm sorry. I'm certain Recyclix is a Ponzi.

But regarding this issue of the virtual address you're mistaken; we have several companies (in several EU countries) and all are registered at virtual offices (across the EU). And I can tell you that all our companies are 100% legit. This is quite normal practice actually. We don't want everyone to see our private address (for obvious reasons) and we don't need physical offices (providing services either on-line or at the premises of our clients). We get our post at the "virtual" office (this is a real building, with real people, just not our building), we have a "secretary" there who takes ours (and of several other companies too) phone-calls. I can even entertain guests there; if we have an appointment I just rent an office space by-the-hour and have a meeting there. All 100% legit, and all normal practice... You can think of it as Uber/Greenwheels/Airbnb for business, you only pay for what you use (quite efficient and environment-friendly if you think about it).

PS: BTW we use Regus, market leader in the world with over 3000 locations (in 120 countries) worldwide. My "gold-card" actually lets me work in the business "lounges" at all those offices... Right now I'm sitting in one, using their WIFI, drinking their coffee... Grin

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The Address is officially recognized, in many country you can officially do that. Virtual/Legal addresses are legal in Poland, get informed please.
I know that virtual address is legal.

On the website is information "Contact us" - how? Through a virtual address? And you want to tell me that company with virtual (not existing) address is legit?

I'm sorry. I'm certain Recyclix is a Ponzi.

But regarding this issue of the virtual address you're mistaken; we have several companies (in several EU countries) and all are registered at virtual offices (across the EU). And I can tell you that all our companies are 100% legit. This is quite normal practice actually. We don't want everyone to see our private address (for obvious reasons) and we don't need physical offices (providing services either on-line or at the premises of our clients). We get our post at the "virtual" office (this is a real building, with real people, just not our building), we have a "secretary" there who takes ours (and of several other companies too) phone-calls. I can even entertain guests there; if we have an appointment I just rent an office space by-the-hour and have a meeting there. All 100% legit, and all normal practice... You can think of it as Uber/Greenwheels/Airbnb for business, you only pay for what you use (quite efficient and environment-friendly if you think about it).

PS: BTW we use Regus, market leader in the world with over 3000 locations (in 120 countries) worldwide. My "gold-card" actually lets me work in the business "lounges" at all those offices... Right now I'm sitting in one, using their WIFI, drinking their coffee... Grin

Well .. It looks like I'm a little behind with virtual solutions. I had to withdraw my objection and to educate in this subject.

Thing is, that address Solidarnosci 115 that closed cinema, and there is no offices.

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[...] Well .. It looks like I'm a little behind with virtual solutions. I had to withdraw my objection and to educate in this subject.

Thing is, that address Solidarnosci 115 that closed cinema, and there is no offices.

Yes, please do educate yourself on that subject. I really like it. In our example we pay 99,- EUR/Month per company and we get: an address at a nice office building where we can register our company, receive mail (we get a email to pick it up), a local telephone number, a secretary who picks up that phone and transfers it to the appropriate employee of ours (his mobile) or sends an email with the contact details and a gold card which allows the use of business lounges in any of the 3000+ offices in 120 countries (incl. WIFI and coffee/tea). There are cheaper solutions (but I liked the gold-card service), and there are more expensive solutions (like with a permanent desk, storage or even furnished office space but we don't need that). I like the "pay-for-what-you-use-concept"... For several reasons.

Maybe the owner/user of that building (closed cinema at that address) simply decided to rent the postbox/address as a virtual office to generate a bit of income. Can be legit (that renting thing).

Doesn't change the fact Recyclix (one of those renters) is a Ponzi scheme...  Grin

PS don't forget Madoff had beautiful offices (I believe in Manhattan or Wall street/New York) but still ran a (65 billion, sic!) Ponzi scheme ("that is considered the largest financial fraud in U.S. history).

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ARE THEY RECYCLING ??   VIDEOS SHOW OTHERWISE . EXPLAIN
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ARE THEY RECYCLING ??   VIDEOS SHOW OTHERWISE . EXPLAIN

1. Why are you shouting?

2. Madoff was also investing, but that was only a front for his Ponzi scheme...

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