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[Maverick69]

http://explorer.shiftnrg.org/ is back to normal, and should be 100% functional now, please give feedback if you find any bugs.

[psyx80]

Our country is a trader on the coin, when there is a real opportunity to raise the price tag on the value and attract the attention of new powers and players, everything is in place.

 

[Msile]

Other Ethhash coins have been seeing some action lately. ETH, ETC, EXP. SHF is probably next. I'm buying some, keep on mining.

[bbcoin]

Someone invested, brought the coin up to 5300 satoshi and then another person dumped 60000 coins... This is a joke guys.

I mean there are no more miners left with speed high enough to earn 60k coins in a short time... Who was it Santa Clause?
This is exactly why this coin is not going anywhere. Any price move or investment gets an instakilll with a big dump.

Can someone make that fucking list of fat walllets?

[gerb]

Someone invested, brought the coin up to 5300 satoshi and then another person dumped 60000 coins... This is a joke guys.

I mean there are no more miners left with speed high enough to earn 60k coins in a short time... Who was it Santa Clause?
This is exactly why this coin is not going anywhere. Any price move or investment gets an instakilll with a big dump.

Can someone make that fucking list of fat walllets?

I like early christmas gifts you do not need to worry about the price, I'm happy that exists people that still dump this coin under 4k those are really a good gifts  

[bbcoin]

Someone invested, brought the coin up to 5300 satoshi and then another person dumped 60000 coins... This is a joke guys.

I mean there are no more miners left with speed high enough to earn 60k coins in a short time... Who was it Santa Clause?
This is exactly why this coin is not going anywhere. Any price move or investment gets an instakilll with a big dump.

Can someone make that fucking list of fat walllets?

I like early christmas gifts you do not need to worry about the price, I'm happy that exists people that still dump this coin under 4k those are really a good gifts  

Somehow I don't see anyone jumping on those christmas gifts.

BTW. Is this the Bittrex wallet ? Can you post the other rich wallets?
http://www.shiftchain.net/#/address/0x120c330c2fd5e0c4b4eca0e0c194435e1e828f7a

[Tmdz]

Don't worry about it as the tech matures the markets will take notice and shift will trade stronger.

I think the trademark features of this coin are still locked so im still waiting for the shift wallet to unlock all those features.  Not sure what time frame we are talking about for that

[Maverick69]

This happens every day in cryptos and for every coin. And that's what makes traders richer. It's actually very sane that some people are willing to sell, and some are willing to buy...

[bbcoin]

And you guys have extreme issues answering questions.

Could you post top 10 rich addresses in here?

Is that 4.7mln SHF address I found Bittrex wallet?

Why don't you own up to your project and show your faces? Any reason for hiding behind nicknames?

[Maverick69]

>Could you post top 10 rich addresses in here?
There's simply no rich list, we would be happy to have one...

>Is that 4.7mln SHF address I found Bittrex wallet?
yes

>Why don't you own up to your project and show your faces? Any reason for hiding behind nicknames?
Because! I'm just speaking for myself here, but I personally like my pseudonimity, I always will prefer 4chan's approach over facebook's for example...

No need to see a plot everywhere.
You should just look at the work done already.
Please have a look at our github activity:


And now, please, compare it with any other ethereum fork, and especially those with people showing their faces. Who worked, and who didn't? *laughs*

[cbux]

Investor uncertainty is probably the biggest problem with giving startups liquidity.  Any coin that goes up with no fundamentals behind it is a pump and dump scheme.  Almost all of the projects out there are way overvalued.  This is a game of patience and a long play.  My advice, look at the total market value of Shift, determine what potential value you think Shift has in the future, determine what total market value you would give Shift right now and buy below that line.  Consider the overall market, similar projects, and most importantly the team behind the project.  While I am also concerned about the team's anonymity, they have been making steady progress - and I put value on that.

In the end, the ONLY value that's given to anything is supply and demand.  With Shift, that will only be the number of apps, DAO's etc that choose to build on the Shift platform.  Nothing else.

UNTIL then, as in any startup, we are only dealing with the perceived potential value of the team.  Bringing this full circle, offering liquidity to a project without a product, and only perceived value, is exactly why we see pump and dump manipulations like today.

If you want to invest wisely in crypto (if that's even possible), look at the forgotten projects that are still there, still developing, that have releaseed multiple betas and/or have an MVP in the market.  These forgotten projects have realistic valuations and proven teams.  If they're anywhere, that's where the unicorns will be.

[Msile]

I wonder if this coin has a chance of getting to Poloniex.

[Msile]

Investor uncertainty is probably the biggest problem with giving startups liquidity.  Any coin that goes up with no fundamentals behind it is a pump and dump scheme.  Almost all of the projects out there are way overvalued.  This is a game of patience and a long play.  My advice, look at the total market value of Shift, determine what potential value you think Shift has in the future, determine what total market value you would give Shift right now and buy below that line.  Consider the overall market, similar projects, and most importantly the team behind the project.  While I am also concerned about the team's anonymity, they have been making steady progress - and I put value on that.

In the end, the ONLY value that's given to anything is supply and demand.  With Shift, that will only be the number of apps, DAO's etc that choose to build on the Shift platform.  Nothing else.

UNTIL then, as in any startup, we are only dealing with the perceived potential value of the team.  Bringing this full circle, offering liquidity to a project without a product, and only perceived value, is exactly why we see pump and dump manipulations like today.

If you want to invest wisely in crypto (if that's even possible), look at the forgotten projects that are still there, still developing, that have releaseed multiple betas and/or have an MVP in the market.  These forgotten projects have realistic valuations and proven teams.  If they're anywhere, that's where the unicorns will be.

Again. Compare the development to other forks of ethereum, we have the most solid one without a doubt. The potential of the team is there, Wait for the releases. If you want to invest or not is up to you, i nor anyone in my team will not quit developing even if you invest or not.

I've been following Expanse a lot lately, and they've been doing great. The main difference between this group and the Expanse team is how to communicate with the community. The Expanse slack is very useful.  What ways do you guys use, because I couldn't find a good place.

[ShiftConnect]

Investor uncertainty is probably the biggest problem with giving startups liquidity.  Any coin that goes up with no fundamentals behind it is a pump and dump scheme.  Almost all of the projects out there are way overvalued.  This is a game of patience and a long play.  My advice, look at the total market value of Shift, determine what potential value you think Shift has in the future, determine what total market value you would give Shift right now and buy below that line.  Consider the overall market, similar projects, and most importantly the team behind the project.  While I am also concerned about the team's anonymity, they have been making steady progress - and I put value on that.

In the end, the ONLY value that's given to anything is supply and demand.  With Shift, that will only be the number of apps, DAO's etc that choose to build on the Shift platform.  Nothing else.

UNTIL then, as in any startup, we are only dealing with the perceived potential value of the team.  Bringing this full circle, offering liquidity to a project without a product, and only perceived value, is exactly why we see pump and dump manipulations like today.

If you want to invest wisely in crypto (if that's even possible), look at the forgotten projects that are still there, still developing, that have releaseed multiple betas and/or have an MVP in the market.  These forgotten projects have realistic valuations and proven teams.  If they're anywhere, that's where the unicorns will be.

Again. Compare the development to other forks of ethereum, we have the most solid one without a doubt. The potential of the team is there, Wait for the releases. If you want to invest or not is up to you, i nor anyone in my team will not quit developing even if you invest or not.

I've been following Expanse a lot lately, and they've been doing great. The main difference between this group and the Expanse team is how to communicate with the community. The Expanse slack is very useful.  What ways do you guys use, because I couldn't find a good place.

We are using the standard channels, i.e. twitter for important announcements, slack for general community discussion and this thread for questions, feedback and milestone updates.

[ShiftConnect]

just join the shift slack channel, there is talking going and you can have help about many questions.
i dont know if you need to pm one of the devs or if its auto invite, maybe someone who knows it can post it here or send you a pm.

The auto invite link is on the first page of this thread

[Msile]

just join the shift slack channel, there is talking going and you can have help about many questions.
i dont know if you need to pm one of the devs or if its auto invite, maybe someone who knows it can post it here or send you a pm.

I was searching for the slack channel. When finally found it I had no idea how to get an invite.

I managed to find it though. But I think Shift should make it more accessible to new people and promote the slack channel more.

[gerb]

just join the shift slack channel, there is talking going and you can have help about many questions.
i dont know if you need to pm one of the devs or if its auto invite, maybe someone who knows it can post it here or send you a pm.

I was searching for the slack channel. When finally found it I had no idea how to get an invite.

I managed to find it though. But I think Shift should make it more accessible to new people and promote the slack channel more.

First page is it: http://www.shiftnrg.org/slack-auto-invitation

[m1000]

Hello.


I am a little interested in this project but can't find any serious information anywhere, like:

Where is white paper?
What is your vision for 5 years?
How much Shift (SHIFT) coins will be in existence after 1,2 or 5 years?
Why these tokes could be valuable in the future? What can I do with them?
Is this crypto token related to zeronet.io project, if yes - how?
What does it mean "Based on Ethereum"? Will you need to burn gas to run you chain on top of ETH? How much will it cost?

Thank you

[ShiftConnect]

just join the shift slack channel, there is talking going and you can have help about many questions.
i dont know if you need to pm one of the devs or if its auto invite, maybe someone who knows it can post it here or send you a pm.

I was searching for the slack channel. When finally found it I had no idea how to get an invite.

I managed to find it though. But I think Shift should make it more accessible to new people and promote the slack channel more.

Thanks for the feedback, we'll work it into the upcoming ANN update.

[ShiftConnect]

Where is white paper?
What is your vision for 5 years?
How much Shift (SHIFT) coins will be in existence after 1,2 or 5 years?
Why these tokes could be valuable in the future? What can I do with them?
Is this crypto token related to zeronet.io project, if yes - how?
What does it mean "Based on Ethereum"? Will you need to burn gas to run you chain on top of ETH? How much will it cost?

Hi m1000, thanks for your interest. Let me answer our questions.

Where is white paper?

We do not have a whitepaper per se. Most of what is titled "whitepaper" in crypto would not hold up to academic standards, it's merely a write up of simple thoughts hosted outside of Bitcointalk. A lot of the info you would find in such a whitepaper can be found on the first page or in the thread.

That being said, we have to apologize for the lack of information collected in a central place, so we will be providing extensive information about SHIFT and Phantom here very soon.


What is your vision for 5 years?

We wouldn't even reach as far as 5 years, many of our goals can be reached sooner. The initial thought behind SHIFT was to provide a completely decentralized way to interact with Dapps. Currently Ethereum's smart contracts are decentralized in nature due to the blockchain, but the frontends still rely on a centralized solution (aka web service provider). A current example of this would be Augur, who had to postpone their launch due to legal issues in the United States.

Shortly after starting work on implementing and extending Zeronet's technology for Phantom we saw a much bigger opportunity. We are building a completely decentralized internet where users will never have to rely on or pay server, VPS or other service providers. Users choosing to host a Shift Node will even receive a share of the block reward for their bandwidth. This goes for services such as website hosting, decentralized marketplaces, messaging, email, direct monetization for content creators and Dapp creation.


How much Shift (SHIFT) coins will be in existence after 1,2 or 5 years?

We have ~74000 coins minted monthly or a little less than 500000 in 6 months.


Why these tokes could be valuable in the future? What can I do with them?

SHIFT will be used as a means of payment on Phantom. Our most prominent example would be domain registration via smart contract, where you have to deposit a certain number of coins to secure a domain, e.g. m1000blog.shift. Keep in mind this is just one of many examples resulting from the aforementioned technology.


Is this crypto token related to zeronet.io project, if yes - how?

No. We are not affiliated with Zeronet at this time.


What does it mean "Based on Ethereum"? Will you need to burn gas to run you chain on top of ETH? How much will it cost?

Based on Ethereum means SHIFT is the first alternative fork of Ethereum. We use the same codebase as ETH.


This is just a short summary of what SHIFT is. If you have further questions, don't hesitate to ask or join us on Slack for direct correspondence