Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread

[AverageGlabella]

It is impossible for Dortmund to bring in new players because it has become their trademark that Dortmund are potential players, so maybe they will bring in players with skills that are not yet good and will hone their skills and potential so that they manage to create players with more potential.

We buy players based on potential because we have a good fan base that is willing to let the players develop and we have a good coaching team that will make the best of a player. That does not mean that the players we buy do not have an impact because we have proven that we can buy players based on potential and they become good the season that they are bought. Dortmund has a great culture and it is why we are successful at developing players. Any other team in the Bundesliga would struggle because the fans have higher expectations and want big money players but we have proven that our transfer recipe is successful.

The upcoming week is extremely important for Dortmund and they should avoid at all cost to lose the game against Werder Bremen. They now qualified for the next round in the DFB Cup, they can extend their winning streak to 5 games in the Bundesliga and keep up pressure on Bayern Munich, and they could close perfect 7 days by winning the first leg against Chelsea in the Champions League.

Dortmund has given it away a couple of teams in the last seasons because of their instability. I hope that they can keep winning their games and keep the Bundesliga interesting along with RB Leipzig and Union Berlin and maybe Frankfurt as well.

It is a very difficult game against Wolfsburg. They have a good defensive record against teams like Dortmund. They are not far behind us which will create extra pressure. Wolfsburg has 29 pts and we have 37. A 8pt lead is not good when you are going against one of the better defensive sides in the league. They have the same goal difference as us and the same goals scored which I found surprising. I never think of Wolfsburg as a good attacking team but a team that is good at defending and stealing wins by getting one goal. It is a hard game but I think Dortmund will find our better form on the day and will win 2-1.

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[YuginKadoya]

Bochum is a mediocre team that cannot be compared to Bayern Munich, and even though Bochum can beat Bayern Munich, I'm sure this won't happen again. What's more, Bayern Munich's position at this moment is indeed required to win, so playing against Bochum is a big chance for Bayern Munich to be able to win and even with a big score.

Also, regarding the match between Leipzig v Union Berlin, I think it is not certain which team will win this match because they have good quality at this moment. But because Leipzig is playing at home, Leipzig should be able to take advantage of playing at home to win.

Bochum can surely surprise us sometimes, but I think Julian Nagelsmann can sometimes surprise us aswell, and readying something now that Sadio Mane can not play, they really didn't see this coming, and only 1 player is absent, and Bayern Munich was outperforming by being other teams, that 4 consecutive draws that they got from Leipzig, Koln, Frankfurt and also Salzburg but right now I think Nagelsmann really did it and right now latest 2 games of Bayern Munich is likely getting back their winning strategy, against Mainz they got 0 - 4 and Wolfsburg that is getting their performance increase, Bayern Munich won 2 - 4 against them, while I think with this new-found strategy of Nagelsmann for me they will surely win against Bochum, they really need to win this because Union Berlin is just 1 point behind them,

And speaking of Leipzig VS Union Berlin I still don't know who's going to win here, but at some point if Union Berlin won against Leipzig then I will admit that they surely a change team, but if Leipzig did win this Union Berling is just lucky,

Leipzig are lacking one of their most important players now, Nkunku. He is the most scorer for the team with 12 goals now and he is the second in top scorers as well. Of course Leipzig still have effective attackers but we will see what they will do this time. Union Berlin is a really serious challenge for them indeed. Having a home match can be seen as an advantage for Leipzig but they won't be comfortable in this match. Union Berlin beat them here by 2-1 last season so Leipzig should take this match very seriously.

Bayern Munich had better take advantage of the opportunity to open the gap with at least one of those teams meanwhile.

Leipzig should not fail in winning this because they are 1 point behind Dortmund and they need to catch up against Union Berlin as well, right now even without Nkunku, they can not rely wholly on Christopher Nkunku, and use their remaining players just like Bayern Munich are doing right now they are using available players because Sadio Mane is not around,

[makishart]

Another struggling win for Dortmund. I no more enjoy their match. Bochum could not only make good finishing, they were so unserious in the first half. They played very well and the ball position in both halves could tell. Dortmund needs to make signings, the current squad is lacking in midfield, if not that Bochum lacks a good finishers it would have been a different story. It's annoying that Dortmund still make plans to sell out their current good players even with their poor performance.

It is impossible for Dortmund to bring in new players because it has become their trademark that Dortmund are potential players, so maybe they will bring in players with skills that are not yet good and will hone their skills and potential so that they manage to create players with more potential.

Dortmund has different vision compared with another team like bayern. Dortmund was using football as a business and then dortmund rarely buying new player from another club. Mostly of players bought by dortmund was coming from small club. It likes when dortmund was buying jude bellingham from birmingham city. Dortmund was always eyeing the young talented players and then develop it as future asset for the club.
You can see that so many team have been offering jude in january but the transfer has not happened. Dortmund is a team who has a business oriented rather than football. The club was always eyeing potential players from the lower division of club caused by dortmund can buy these players with cheap price.

[kro55]

In the match between Lepzig and Union Berlin to determine who will shorten the distance with Bayer Munchen, when Lepzig and Bayern Munich win the point difference will remain the same, Munich will still be 4 points ahead.

Bochum is a good opponent for Bayern, it looks like Bayern are gradually starting to come back into the game, improving their performance and the match against Bochum will be an easy game for them. And Leipzig will most likely be able to take away points from Union Berlin, I even think that Leipzig will be able to win and thus Bayern will again increase its advantage.

Bayern Munich scored 8 goals in the last two matches. After a few poor performances, Bayern Munich is in very good form. Scoring 8 goals in two matches are not easy. Bayern Munich will play a home match against Bochum. And I don't think the Bochum team is strong. The 15th team in the points table is Bochum. However, this team scored 5 goals in their last match against Hoffenheim. And so Bayern Munich's defense must perform carefully. Bayern Munich's attacking players are performing well but their defense is still a bit weak.

The come of cancelo to the bayern has been giving a significant chance to the club. Bayern's defensive become very discipline and sometimes cancelo was doing so well by giving very accurate long passes to his team mates. I think that's the reason why nagelsmann was feeling so good about it.
It's time for cancelo to decide whether he wanna stay or not in bayern until the next season. It's better for cancelo to stay rather than go back to manchester city that is almost destroyed due to the some sanctions that will be received by city soon.
Cancelo can adapt easily to bayern. that proves cancelo is really confident with bayern. He adapts to the club just for a few days.

Cancelo has shown his ability in the first two matches with Bayern Munich. He helped keep Bayern Munich's defense strong as well as contributing two assists to the team's victory. However, in two matches, Bayern Munich played against relatively weak opponents. We don't know if Cancelo can perform as effectively against strong or big teams. I am looking forward to seeing Cancelo's performance in the match against PSG. If Cancelo can play well against PSG, and contribute to the team's victory, then we will see Bayern Munich dominate both the Champions League and the Bundesliga. And at the same time I will say that Guardiola made a big mistake by not keeping Joao cancelo in the team.

[rendravolt]

Another struggling win for Dortmund. I no more enjoy their match. Bochum could not only make good finishing, they were so unserious in the first half. They played very well and the ball position in both halves could tell. Dortmund needs to make signings, the current squad is lacking in midfield, if not that Bochum lacks a good finishers it would have been a different story. It's annoying that Dortmund still make plans to sell out their current good players even with their poor performance.

I think maybe only in the DFB Pokal competition Dortmund has not played well so far. When compared to its performance in the Bundesliga, of course it will be much different. But at least this victory has made them step into the next round of the DFB Pokal. About bringing in new players for Dortmund I think it's still not necessary because the current squad is good enough, but if in the transfer market next summer they might sell Bellingham to another club, surely they must immediately plan to look for new players to fill the position left by Bellingham later

[Barcode_]

Wolfsburg might have lost their excellent form after losing 2 games in a row, but it should be a good opportunity for Wolfsburg to regain back their winning form when they play against FC Schalke 04 in their next upcoming match. With just 11 points earned at the bottom of the table, there is a high chance for FC Schalke 04 to play offensively against Wolfsburg with home advantage, but I think Wolfsburg should be able to outscore FC Schalke 04 and gain a victory at the final whistle.

[MarjorieZimmermanGinger]

Wolfsburg might have lost their excellent form after losing 2 games in a row, but it should be a good opportunity for Wolfsburg to regain back their winning form when they play against FC Schalke 04 in their next upcoming match. With just 11 points earned at the bottom of the table, there is a high chance for FC Schalke 04 to play offensively against Wolfsburg with home advantage, but I think Wolfsburg should be able to outscore FC Schalke 04 and gain a victory at the final whistle.

The two defeats that Wolfsburg got, made them lose 6 points so they lost the opportunity to be ranked in the top five of the Bundesliga standings, visiting FC Schalke 04 headquarters is the best opportunity to catch points from Freiburg and Frankfurt, which now have a difference of 5 to 6 points from them . Niko Kovac must instruct his team to play consistently going forward, if they want to compete in the top five of the Standings until the end of the season.

This should not be a difficult match for Wolfsburg because they only face teams that are almost certain to be relegated this season, out of 10 matches in the Bundesliga FC Schalke 40 only managed to get one win, two draws and the rest lost, so the chances for Wolfsburg are much greater to get full point.

[wiss19]

It will be a very interesting game. At least on the basis of how their first meeting ended. If you remember Dortmund led 2-0 until the 89th minute and then lost the game 3-2 in 5 minutes 
I remember this result very well because Dortmund ruined my multibet at the moment when I already saw that the game was almost over and calculated my profit, and then I saw that my multibet was destroyed. It was damn unexpected.

The upcoming week is extremely important for Dortmund and they should avoid at all cost to lose the game against Werder Bremen. They now qualified for the next round in the DFB Cup, they can extend their winning streak to 5 games in the Bundesliga and keep up pressure on Bayern Munich, and they could close perfect 7 days by winning the first leg against Chelsea in the Champions League.

Dortmund has given it away a couple of teams in the last seasons because of their instability. I hope that they can keep winning their games and keep the Bundesliga interesting along with RB Leipzig and Union Berlin and maybe Frankfurt as well.

Dortmund after win against Bochum now heading for the quarterfinal of the DFB Cup and lineup is also completed for the last eight teams things are looking interesting because all big teams are in this lineup and interesting matches are going to play for the Cup as well.

Now we have 20th round matches and few very interesting matches are also going to play as Werder Bremen going to host Dortmund and Leipzig going to host Union Berlin these matches are going to have big impact on league table as well because winner could be settled at high rank and this all will give some benefit to leaders Bayern Munich as well which is currently leading by one point and having easy game at home against Bochum in case of Leipzig and Dortmund win Bayern Munich will be able to have lead of three points and in case of draw between Leipzig and Union Berlin still they will be having three points lead which is good but in case of lost for the Dortmund they could be felt better.

[mv1986]

Another struggling win for Dortmund. I no more enjoy their match. Bochum could not only make good finishing, they were so unserious in the first half. They played very well and the ball position in both halves could tell. Dortmund needs to make signings, the current squad is lacking in midfield, if not that Bochum lacks a good finishers it would have been a different story. It's annoying that Dortmund still make plans to sell out their current good players even with their poor performance.

It is impossible for Dortmund to bring in new players because it has become their trademark that Dortmund are potential players, so maybe they will bring in players with skills that are not yet good and will hone their skills and potential so that they manage to create players with more potential.

forget to signing the new player and it will be impossible until the transfer season comes again. Dortmund has been selling some important players but yeah the club has not yet found a good replacement for haaland who has been going to the manchester city. That's proven by how bad the finishing by dortmund. Glad to see that reus has become a key for dortmund to win against bochum. Dortmund is always looking for fresh young talented players who have not yet developed.
That's why dortmun is always need time to sign the new players from the low club. i rarely heard that dortmund was buying popular player from another club. Dortmund was just a factory for a young talented player.

I agree that Dortmund has had difficulty keeping players in recent years; it's not easy for any team to hold on to all of its great players. Nonetheless, it's encouraging to note that they have consistently produced a large number of quality young players throughout the years. I feel that Dortmund has always been a breeding place for youthful potential because of the strength of its youth system.

Regarding Reus, he has been a star player for Dortmund for quite some time, and it's fantastic to see that he remains an important member of the squad. It is awe-inspiring to see that he has stayed with Dortmund through thick and thin, as his dedication to the club is unwavering.

On the other hand, losing Haaland was undoubtedly a setback, but it is a reality of sport that players come and go. Manchester City is a premier team, therefore it is not unexpected that they were able to convince him to join them. I have confidence in Dortmund's capacity to rebuild the squad and think they will find a good successor in due time.

They haven't just had difficulties keeping players in recent years, but it has been kind of their philosophy or business strategy to actually find raw diamonds, turn them into stars and sell them for lots of money. Dortmund is the perfect calibre of a team for young players to take the next step before they move on to one of the huge clubs in the world. Of course Dortmund would prefer at times to keep players like Haaland or Bellingham or Lewandowski or Dembele for a little longer, but at the same time they have grown into that role very well when it comes to finding proper replacements.

[jostorres]

Another struggling win for Dortmund. I no more enjoy their match. Bochum could not only make good finishing, they were so unserious in the first half. They played very well and the ball position in both halves could tell. Dortmund needs to make signings, the current squad is lacking in midfield, if not that Bochum lacks a good finishers it would have been a different story. It's annoying that Dortmund still make plans to sell out their current good players even with their poor performance.

Borussia Dortmund main business model is running on this all as mostly they buy new players and after having some good training and quality sell them to bigger clubs just because of this in last one decade they are never able to win any Bundesliga title so if they are doing again it's nothing new with in next summer window we are going to have big amounted for the Jude Bellingham as well even they are struggling this is not a concern for the management but right now they have fifth win in a row after the break and with this performance now most chances they could be going to stay at the second spot in coming days and having challenging situation for the leaders Bayern Munich which is now also improving but still needs time for having better results and win of this season's title.

[Juggy777]

Another struggling win for Dortmund. I no more enjoy their match. Bochum could not only make good finishing, they were so unserious in the first half. They played very well and the ball position in both halves could tell. Dortmund needs to make signings, the current squad is lacking in midfield, if not that Bochum lacks a good finishers it would have been a different story. It's annoying that Dortmund still make plans to sell out their current good players even with their poor performance.

It is impossible for Dortmund to bring in new players because it has become their trademark that Dortmund are potential players, so maybe they will bring in players with skills that are not yet good and will hone their skills and potential so that they manage to create players with more potential.

forget to signing the new player and it will be impossible until the transfer season comes again. Dortmund has been selling some important players but yeah the club has not yet found a good replacement for haaland who has been going to the manchester city. That's proven by how bad the finishing by dortmund. Glad to see that reus has become a key for dortmund to win against bochum. Dortmund is always looking for fresh young talented players who have not yet developed.
That's why dortmun is always need time to sign the new players from the low club. i rarely heard that dortmund was buying popular player from another club. Dortmund was just a factory for a young talented player.

I agree that Dortmund has had difficulty keeping players in recent years; it's not easy for any team to hold on to all of its great players. Nonetheless, it's encouraging to note that they have consistently produced a large number of quality young players throughout the years. I feel that Dortmund has always been a breeding place for youthful potential because of the strength of its youth system.

Regarding Reus, he has been a star player for Dortmund for quite some time, and it's fantastic to see that he remains an important member of the squad. It is awe-inspiring to see that he has stayed with Dortmund through thick and thin, as his dedication to the club is unwavering.

On the other hand, losing Haaland was undoubtedly a setback, but it is a reality of sport that players come and go. Manchester City is a premier team, therefore it is not unexpected that they were able to convince him to join them. I have confidence in Dortmund's capacity to rebuild the squad and think they will find a good successor in due time.

They haven't just had difficulties keeping players in recent years, but it has been kind of their philosophy or business strategy to actually find raw diamonds, turn them into stars and sell them for lots of money. Dortmund is the perfect calibre of a team for young players to take the next step before they move on to one of the huge clubs in the world. Of course Dortmund would prefer at times to keep players like Haaland or Bellingham or Lewandowski or Dembele for a little longer, but at the same time they have grown into that role very well when it comes to finding proper replacements.

@mv1986 I am of the opinion that Dortmund can only challenge for the title if they get a new owner, because the current management isn’t interested in challenging for the title rather they’re happy to stick to their existing model of buying unknown player’s and then selling them for a premium. Also is it just me or even others are surprised as to why don’t Dortmund fan’s protest against this policy, because unless the fan’s raise their voices I doubt that Dortmund will change their model.

[rahmad2nd]

I see that you have not mentioned the name of Union Berlin in this post. I am honestly not surprised that you did not mention the name. But at the same time, I am not going to absolutely not leave them any chance as well. But I do understand why Union Berlin is not the name in everyone's mind. Because Union Berlin has started the season better, but they have also dropped points a lot in the middle part of the season. And now they are playing well again. I also think it is a matter of time before they start performing poorly again.

And of course, I think Bayern Munich is going to be the winner of the Bundesliga. I think the second position is going to be well-contested between Dortmund and RB Leipzig. The fourth position will probably be for Union Berlin.

As you said, it is only a matter of time before Berlin goes into a downward phase again. the reason is, they have quite tough matches, apart from hosting RB Leipzig, Berlin has a Europa League playoff match. meaning, Union Berlin has two tough and crucial matches. plus, Berlin leaves one meeting against Bayern at the Allianz Arena. I'm not saying that Berlin will play badly, but if they lose the game against Leipzig. I'm pretty sure, in the next match Berlin will find it difficult to win game after game.

For Dormund and Leipzig, based on what I predicted. most likely, Leipzig will finish in second place until the end of this season. maybe, Dortmund could be below the ranking of Leipzig. well, as we all agreed that the leader of the standings will still be held by Bayern Munich. although Bayern has experienced a decline in recent weeks, however, Bayern has a better mentality and depth than the teams below it.

[bct_ail]

Thomas Reis has now been a coach at FC Schalke for 100 days. When he started Schalke had a gap to place 15 with 3 points. Now they have 8 points and have only managed to get 5 points since then. Okay, they have only played 8 times. But that does not give so much hope.
Tomorrow Schalke will play against Wolfsburg. They have to win that. Because so far they have not really understood that they have to fight against relegation.

[bering]

Thomas Reis has now been a coach at FC Schalke for 100 days. When he started Schalke had a gap to place 15 with 3 points. Now they have 8 points and have only managed to get 5 points since then. Okay, they have only played 8 times. But that does not give so much hope.
Tomorrow Schalke will play against Wolfsburg. They have to win that. Because so far they have not really understood that they have to fight against relegation.

1 wins from 8 matches this is obviously poor records and i have to say Thomas Reis records is not so different such as the previous manager and with only 2 wins from 19 matches total i think it's difficult for Schalke to bounce back and next match against Wolfsburg i am sure they will be in trouble because after defeated by Bremen and Bayern Munich last week Wolfsburg want to utilized the match against them to return to winning track
And for betting options probably i will considering to bets Wolfsburg win because they had good condition compared to Schalke and Wolfsburg has odds @2.0 for this match i think that is good odds for the bettors because currently the bookie provide high odds for Wolfsburg

[Strongkored]

And for betting options probably i will considering to bets Wolfsburg win because they had good condition compared to Schalke and Wolfsburg has odds @2.0 for this match i think that is good odds for the bettors because currently the bookie provide high odds for Wolfsburg

With the opportunity for Wolfsburg to win this match big enough and the odds given by the bookies to them are quite tempting, this is an opportunity to be able to get an attractive profit, especially when checking the H2H for the two teams, Wolfsburg has better statistics in the last few matches, If Schalke loses this will make them worse off and it will be difficult for them to survive from relegation this season.

[AverageGlabella]

They haven't just had difficulties keeping players in recent years, but it has been kind of their philosophy or business strategy to actually find raw diamonds, turn them into stars and sell them for lots of money. Dortmund is the perfect calibre of a team for young players to take the next step before they move on to one of the huge clubs in the world. Of course Dortmund would prefer at times to keep players like Haaland or Bellingham or Lewandowski or Dembele for a little longer, but at the same time they have grown into that role very well when it comes to finding proper replacements.

We have been better at keeping our players that we have developed but we still struggle when the big teams come in with higher wages and a high transfer fee. I know Dortmund are known for a development/selling team which I think is accurate. We are very good at business and have profited every season on our transfers. The transfer policy works and there is no shame in being a team that buys players for small amounts and sells them for a profit. We use the players while we can and we have remained a top 4 team even when we have sold our best developed players. We are a team that is recognized around the world now and players want to play for us. Hummels is a great example he stayed with us for a long time and was one of the best cb in the world. Hummels came from bayern youth to and we managed to take him on loan and sign him. 

[laurenB7742]

It is now official. Hoffenheim has signed a new coach. As was suspected from the start it is Matarazzo.
One reason is certainly that the two already know each other. Matarazzo was already at Hoffenheim. First as coach from the U17 and then as a co-trainer. After that time he went to Stuttgart. He was dismissed there in October 2022. Now he has a contract until summer 2025.
I am curious to see how Hoffenheim will play with the new coach. The first game will be against Leverkusen.

Hoffenheim, who are at the bottom of the Bundesliga, have to beat Leverkusen to move up to the top.  They currently rank 14 in the league and this is a dangerous position to relegate to the lower division.  They have to work hard to get to the top.  The new coach must adapt quickly to the team.  He should dominate the team and convey tactical information.  I hope Hoffenheim can get to the top.

The good thing for Hoffenheim is that they are still not in the relegation zone. Another thing is they have just got a new coach. But the bad news is they are not very far away from the relegation zone as well. And Nate is going to be very hard for the new coach to fix the problems and end this season as a mid table team. I believe that is the target which they have probably set for him.

And yes, I absolutely agree that the new coach must adapt quickly. Otherwise, it is going to be a problem for both him and the club as well. Because as I said they are not ready forever from the relegation zone.

[bitgov]

I see that you have not mentioned the name of Union Berlin in this post. I am honestly not surprised that you did not mention the name. But at the same time, I am not going to absolutely not leave them any chance as well. But I do understand why Union Berlin is not the name in everyone's mind. Because Union Berlin has started the season better, but they have also dropped points a lot in the middle part of the season. And now they are playing well again. I also think it is a matter of time before they start performing poorly again.

And of course, I think Bayern Munich is going to be the winner of the Bundesliga. I think the second position is going to be well-contested between Dortmund and RB Leipzig. The fourth position will probably be for Union Berlin.

As you said, it is only a matter of time before Berlin goes into a downward phase again. the reason is, they have quite tough matches, apart from hosting RB Leipzig, Berlin has a Europa League playoff match. meaning, Union Berlin has two tough and crucial matches. plus, Berlin leaves one meeting against Bayern at the Allianz Arena. I'm not saying that Berlin will play badly, but if they lose the game against Leipzig. I'm pretty sure, in the next match Berlin will find it difficult to win game after game.

For Dormund and Leipzig, based on what I predicted. most likely, Leipzig will finish in second place until the end of this season. maybe, Dortmund could be below the ranking of Leipzig. well, as we all agreed that the leader of the standings will still be held by Bayern Munich. although Bayern has experienced a decline in recent weeks, however, Bayern has a better mentality and depth than the teams below it.

I have not seen this match live. But watching the highlights, I realized that Dortmund did not play very well. Dortmund are failing to solve some of their biggest problems. However, in this match, the opposing team was able to secure victory by exploiting the opportunity.

[zuzie]

And for betting options probably i will considering to bets Wolfsburg win because they had good condition compared to Schalke and Wolfsburg has odds @2.0 for this match i think that is good odds for the bettors because currently the bookie provide high odds for Wolfsburg

With the opportunity for Wolfsburg to win this match big enough and the odds given by the bookies to them are quite tempting, this is an opportunity to be able to get an attractive profit, especially when checking the H2H for the two teams, Wolfsburg has better statistics in the last few matches, If Schalke loses this will make them worse off and it will be difficult for them to survive from relegation this season.

Even teams like Freiburg or Hertha who were previously humiliated by Wolfsburg can easily win against FC Schalke
It will be a heavy blow for Wolfsburg if they fail to secure full points in the match against FC Schalke
Wolfsburg must win to get a better place in the standings Bundesliga

[mvdheuvel1983]

The good thing for Hoffenheim is that they are still not in the relegation zone. Another thing is they have just got a new coach. But the bad news is they are not very far away from the relegation zone as well. And Nate is going to be very hard for the new coach to fix the problems and end this season as a mid table team. I believe that is the target which they have probably set for him.

And yes, I absolutely agree that the new coach must adapt quickly. Otherwise, it is going to be a problem for both him and the club as well. Because as I said they are not ready forever from the relegation zone.

Well, this is great news and the most exciting news I have read this week coming from the football world. I have filled with so much hope and optimism about this new signing. Pellegrino Matarazzo is going to bring a lot of experience to the table and in no time, we will see a massive turnaround in the team.
It may be too early to notice the change in their match on Saturday as it is just 3 days away, but I expect that in their subsequent matches they are going to be raking in those points.