Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread

[Velvet78]

One of the things I'm curious about is what Stuttgart will do in the Champions League. The last time they joined this tournament was the 2009/2010 season. Their biggest success has been to reach last 16 phase.

While losing some important players (Guirassy coming first in the list), they have signed nice players this summer. They are starting directly with the league phase which is a good advantage. But I don't think they will be able to finish it in top 8. Instead I think they would try their luck with the playoff phase by finishing between the positions of 9 and 24. It depends on maintaining their game this season too of course.

Besides it has been a really long time since they last played in the Champions League so it isn't easy to be confident about them for anything. 

[SmartCharpa]

It was embarrassing for Dortmund to concede four goals against a smaller club, this is the first time I've seen a club with that name. I was shocked that Dortmund failed to score a single goal against BG Pathum United, and some of their key players were available. I believe their performance has weakened since their Champions League final defeat, and they have yet to return to their best form. Although some people believe that it is just a pre-season game, it does not mean that they would become weak in the league games, that was poor. 4:0 is a huge number of goals for a big club like Dortmund.

However, I believe the pre-season games are important for winning because they seem to determine the way they will perform in league games. Today, Dortmund will face another unknown team, Cerezo Osaka, if Dortmund loses today, I think the new manager must deal with the issue before the start of the Bundesliga games because if they continue in this way, they will be eliminated even in the Champions League competition.

This is just an ordinary friendly game and not to be taken seriously because some players plays pre season matches with carefulness so that they don't sustain injuries that may rule them out from playing their league games in the early start of the season so we shouldn't take friendly games serious at all however, any team can lose a match regardless of who they play because some of this mediocre teams are also doing well in their respective leagues just that those leagues are not too recognized like the traditional European teams that are always the center of attraction from fans all over the world.

Pre season matches doesn't determine how well a team will perform when the league starts, after all Manchester City lost to Celtics in their friendly game but that doesn't imply they are weak or Celtics is better than them because if it was to be a competitive match Celtics can't even score against Manchester City but since it just a friendly match there's nothing to take seriously there so same thing with Borussia Dortmund match against BG Pathum United, a team from Thailand. For Cerezo Osaka Borussia Dortmund has already won them by 2:3 so that's how pre season matches are, the outcome of pre season matches should not be taken to heart.

It's just a pre-season game, but it looks embarrassing to me if any of the big teams lose. In pre-season games, second-tier players are given enough time to show how well they can perform on the field, this is their chance to put their strength and compete for a spot among the first starting players. However, if the important players are on the field but the club fails to win its pre-season game, it will decide how well they perform throughout the season.

Manchester City, on the other hand, lost to Celtic and AC Milan, both teams play in the top leagues. Even if it is a match that is competitive I believe they will have a chance to score against Guardiola since no team should be underestimated at this moment. If Manchester City fails in pre-season games, I won't expect them to perform poorly next season because they have the best manager, Guardiola understands how to manage his club, he has been there for many years and won many trophies. Dortmund has hired a new manager, and I believe the pre-season games are critical for them to win.

[Weawant]

Leverkusen is currently retaining almost all of their players from last season, so it is not difficult for Alonso to be able to maintain his team  performance next season, Currently all European teams are busy with pre-season matches to see how the strength and fitness of the players are ahead of the official matches being played later, even though we can say that Leverkusen can still maintain the majority of their old squad, but it seems like Alonso is still trying to continue experimenting in order to further strengthen his squad to face the Bundesliga and Champions League next season.

Alonso will have it easier working with his squad since they are almost the exact same set of persons he did worked with last season, I believe that all he will have to do is just readjusting certain tactics and strategies to better their performance as they may face more challenges from their opponents this season than they did last season. Alonso appears not to give chances to anything even if he's confined in the strength of his squad, he's still trying to make sure he's able to keep his team prepared such that they aren't taken unaware at any point.

[Cryptmuster]

Honestly I expected Bayern to put up another land slide victory even if I know FC Duren is much better if compared to the other team Bayern played against earlier. They will be glad it's pre season games, so kompany will get a better insight from here on what to do and where to best make adjustments so as to fit in the kind of results he's aiming at. It's even a perfect scenario he got a draw immediately after a win so he se quickly how it can look like and what are the things he needs to quickly address as the season is few weeks ahead.

Neither the first convincing win in a friendly nor the second draw means anything, because I didn't see any first team players in the squad (except for a few), so it's just an opportunity for some young players to show themselves to the Kompany and get a chance to play again in official matches, nothing more. Maybe some players (especially those who played at the Euro) are still on vacation and their preparation will only begin, so before judging Bayern's results in friendly matches, it's worth waiting for the official matches, in two weeks they will play a cup match, it will be a clearer picture.

[rendravolt]

In last night's match I didn't expect Bayern Munich to only draw with FC Duren even though in the previous match against FC Rottach they were able to score so many goals with a score of 14-1.
And what's worse is that Bayern Munich conceded first in the first half, this is a bad result for a club like Bayern Munich at least they can win the match even with a narrow score, this must be a revision material for Vincent Kompany so that his players play better in the future.

Source : https://www.sofascore.com/id/football/match/1-fc-duren-fc-bayern-munchen/xdbsFtrc

However, FC Duren is indeed a team that is quite troublesome for Bayern Munich and even though they are in a lower caste in Germany, their efforts to avoid a crushing defeat are worthy of our appreciation. Unlike FC Rottach who are always the target of Bayern Munich, they are much stronger to be able to dampen every Bayern Munich attack.

Regardless of all that, this is only a pre-season match and at least Bayern Munich is quite ready for the Bundesliga next season with all the possibilities. What is clear is that their opponents will be much more difficult than the pre-season teams they face and again Vincent Kompany is challenged to be able to provide an ideal game for Bayern Munich.

[Blitzboy]

We haven't seen much of the Leverkusen side in the club friendly games and we already know all they did last season and is like they're resting to prepare for the upcoming season which we know is not going to be an easy one this time around. With Xabi Alonso still with the team who he led to a wonderful finish last season, can we still expect same result or should I say something much bigger and better than last season knowing quite well that Bayern Munich are not backing down with the new manager Kompany, can Alonso's men defend their title and make life unbearable for the other Bundesliga teams ones again? To me I'm not sure about Leverkusen next season, how they'll play but I'll tell you for sure that they are everyone's target next campaign.

Like you rightly pointed out, haven't engaged in many preseason games like their counterparts from the other European leagues. The only preseason friendly game they've played so far is the one they did play against Essen on Friday but before the next season officially kicks off, Bayer Leverkusen have already lined up three friendly games. They play against French club Lens next Saturday before they'll play against Arsenal and then round up their preseason against Spanish side Real Betis. I think playing four games as preseason games as a German Bundesliga club isn't a bad idea considering the fact that the league is less  demanding than other European leagues that consists of 20 clubs

These preseasons are really significant. You have to discover what works and what doesnt. And for Leverkusen, this is a chance. They are challenging Real Betis, Lens, Arsenal. Folks, that is many styles, many obstacles. This will show us what this team is really made of

Xabi Alonso is a really outstanding man. He's a winner. He is adept in maximizing his players' performance. These games will help him to adjust his strategies and discover the ideal combinations. The Arsenal game comes first now. That is the one to observe. Leverkusen's defense will truly test their assault. It will indicate whether they are ready to challenge the major Bundesliga players.

Watch the young lads as well. These games represent their opportunity for brilliance. Who knows, the next great may show up. These are not simply buddies, people. They operate as a proving ground. They are the place champions are created. Leverkusen has an opportunity to present the world what they are able of. And for one, I am eager to watch what they produce.

[rahmad2nd]

One of the things I'm curious about is what Stuttgart will do in the Champions League. The last time they joined this tournament was the 2009/2010 season. Their biggest success has been to reach last 16 phase.

While losing some important players (Guirassy coming first in the list), they have signed nice players this summer. They are starting directly with the league phase which is a good advantage. But I don't think they will be able to finish it in top 8. Instead I think they would try their luck with the playoff phase by finishing between the positions of 9 and 24. It depends on maintaining their game this season too of course.

Besides it has been a really long time since they last played in the Champions League so it isn't easy to be confident about them for anything. 

Reflecting on other teams that had finished in the top four of the Bundesliga, Union Berlin experienced a decline in performance and even had difficulty maintaining their position like the previous season. With a fairly tight schedule and player material that is not like other big clubs, Union Berlin was finally only able to finish in 15th place.
Referring to Stuttgart, last season Stuttgart was able to exceed our expectations by finishing in 2nd place in the Bundesliga, they were certain to participate in the Champions League and several other competitions. Unfortunately, two of their players left in this transfer window. Although, Stuttgart did not remain silent to bring in replacement players who had left. I can't speculate too far for this one team, as I said for Union Berlin. After going through a good season it will be a challenge for them, especially for coach Sebastian Hoeness.

If you look at them last season, their progress deserves to be appreciated. Finishing in 16th place and having to go through the play-off phase, Sebastian Hoeness' squad was able to perform amazingly and even became runner-up in the Bundesliga. In the new season, the performance of Stuttgart's players will be tested again by participating in several competitions other than the Bundesliga, Sebastian Hoeness must prepare his team, not only the Bundesliga but also the Champions League and other competitions. If they are able to continue to show good performance, it is an extraordinary achievement for the coach and the players.

[Republikcoin.com]

Pre-season or friendly matches are an opportunity to see the quality of the players before joining official competitions and usually the coach will try to give opportunities to young players. The goal is to get the level of weaknesses that can be improved and find young talents to be included in the main squad. With the presence of pre-season or friendly matches, the coach can test several strategies so that he can decide to use them. Pre-season matches are considered important as an evaluation step and the coach has a view regarding the position that must be maximized and evaluated.

I think what you said is true because pre-season matches must be considered important in order to be able to produce new ideas in the coach's mind in order to maximize the team's strength because they already know where the weaknesses are still in the team they are coaching. But some team fans when they see their team defeated with an abnormal score by a team that is not so strong will also feel a little hurt even though it is only a pre-season match that is not much different from a training for each team.

[mamesso]

~Snip~

I think what you said is true because pre-season matches must be considered important in order to be able to produce new ideas in the coach's mind in order to maximize the team's strength because they already know where the weaknesses are still in the team they are coaching. But some team fans when they see their team defeated with an abnormal score by a team that is not so strong will also feel a little hurt even though it is only a pre-season match that is not much different from a training for each team.

The only ones who consider pre-season games important are the young players who are brought along on the pre-season tour, they will try to perform at their best to show their talent to the coach in the hope of getting into the main squad. The coach plays more young players in pre-season matches and also new players, he will try to assess the players' abilities and experiment with various strategies. The defeat experienced in the pre-season match is not too painful because there is nothing to fight for after the match, so I think there is no reason for the coach to demand his players to perform optimally like in official matches because if they get injured it will be a disaster for the coach because they lack important players when the new season starts.

[Jody.Drummer]

Pre-season or friendly matches are an opportunity to see the quality of the players before joining official competitions and usually the coach will try to give opportunities to young players. The goal is to get the level of weaknesses that can be improved and find young talents to be included in the main squad. With the presence of pre-season or friendly matches, the coach can test several strategies so that he can decide to use them. Pre-season matches are considered important as an evaluation step and the coach has a view regarding the position that must be maximized and evaluated.

I think what you said is true because pre-season matches must be considered important in order to be able to produce new ideas in the coach's mind in order to maximize the team's strength because they already know where the weaknesses are still in the team they are coaching. But some team fans when they see their team defeated with an abnormal score by a team that is not so strong will also feel a little hurt even though it is only a pre-season match that is not much different from a training for each team.

"We should plan and deliver training dose according to the external training load, but we should monitor the athlete's response to that load from the internal responses," said Aaron Coutts, Professor of Sport and Exercise Science.
https://www.catapult.com/blog/preseason-four-success-elements

Actually, this preseason also has several aspects, but we often only talk about the matches, even though the training menu and so on are part of the preseason which is intended to prepare something for them to undergo a competition. The readiness of the players and so on they must continue to monitor, especially in the approach to each player to create good chemistry. Players and coaches are at the forefront of a team, they must ensure that they have a good relationship that can be created in this preseason session.

[Palakka]

~Snip~

I think what you said is true because pre-season matches must be considered important in order to be able to produce new ideas in the coach's mind in order to maximize the team's strength because they already know where the weaknesses are still in the team they are coaching. But some team fans when they see their team defeated with an abnormal score by a team that is not so strong will also feel a little hurt even though it is only a pre-season match that is not much different from a training for each team.

The only ones who consider pre-season games important are the young players who are brought along on the pre-season tour, they will try to perform at their best to show their talent to the coach in the hope of getting into the main squad. The coach plays more young players in pre-season matches and also new players, he will try to assess the players' abilities and experiment with various strategies. The defeat experienced in the pre-season match is not too painful because there is nothing to fight for after the match, so I think there is no reason for the coach to demand his players to perform optimally like in official matches because if they get injured it will be a disaster for the coach because they lack important players when the new season starts.

Pre-season matches are an opportunity for young players to show their talents and abilities in these matches, so that this will increase their chances of breaking into the main squad next season, that's why the players should be able to show their best performance in front  coach so that in this way the coach will be able to assess whether they deserve to be promoted next season or not, the friendly match is basically just a place for the coach to experiment in determining the framework of the team next season and also wants to see how much talent and performance their young players currently have, that's what why currently most coaches prioritize fielding their young squad in friendly match as well as an opportunity to test the mentality of young players.

[TelolettOm]

One of the things I'm curious about is what Stuttgart will do in the Champions League. The last time they joined this tournament was the 2009/2010 season. Their biggest success has been to reach last 16 phase.

And the most impressive thing about them is that they were one of the clubs in the relegation zone the previous season, but they won the play-offs and eventually managed to stay in the Bundesliga. And impressively, they really just flew into the runners-up spot, surprising the Bundesliga and everyone, along with Leverkusen who managed to overtake Bayern Munich.

Honestly, whether they can make it even in the group stage or not, at least Stuttgart has made it to the UCL this time, it is a very good achievement. And actually I am personally a bit worried if their performance can be as good and as ready as that in the UCL later, especially since there are currently several of their key players being targeted by other clubs. Not belittling, but just quite worried. But whatever it is, I am sure that they will not give up easily like before. Let's wait what they will set to manage the club.

Pre-season matches are an opportunity for young players to show their talents and abilities in these matches, so that this will increase their chances of breaking into the main squad next season, that's why the players should be able to show their best performance in front  coach so that in this way the coach will be able to assess whether they deserve to be promoted next season or not,

Yes, this may be a benchmark for some players. But not all of them are like that. because this match is not a priority and not all players, especially the main players who will really be optimally very tight to bring out their abilities. Because after all it would be quite worrying if an injury occurs.

while at the Bayern Munich club, this has really happened where Hiroki Ito was injured. And this is what is worried about all the clubs that are undergoing this pre-season match, namely the injury that might befall their players even before their main match takes place.

Source: Bayern-Duren Fallout-Hiroki Ito Injury

[tusandii]

Pre-season matches are an opportunity for young players to show their talents and abilities in these matches, so that this will increase their chances of breaking into the main squad next season, that's why the players should be able to show their best performance in front  coach so that in this way the coach will be able to assess whether they deserve to be promoted next season or not, the friendly match is basically just a place for the coach to experiment in determining the framework of the team next season and also wants to see how much talent and performance their young players currently have, that's what why currently most coaches prioritize fielding their young squad in friendly match as well as an opportunity to test the mentality of young players.

I agree with you but not only to be promoted as a major player and training mentally but also as a second layer player to rotate when facing several competitions.
So that all Bundesliga clubs even any club will also do the same thing, especially big clubs that have plans to pursue the Champions League title.

Young players who managed to have a strong mentality as you said, of course, are also ready to face the pressure of the hood when needed when the main player needs a short break to avoid injury.
The preseason match may not be too serious but for the coaches of each club it is actually very important to see which players have higher mental readiness and have talents that can be relied upon later.

[slapper]

Pre-season or friendly matches are an opportunity to see the quality of the players before joining official competitions and usually the coach will try to give opportunities to young players. The goal is to get the level of weaknesses that can be improved and find young talents to be included in the main squad. With the presence of pre-season or friendly matches, the coach can test several strategies so that he can decide to use them. Pre-season matches are considered important as an evaluation step and the coach has a view regarding the position that must be maximized and evaluated.

I think what you said is true because pre-season matches must be considered important in order to be able to produce new ideas in the coach's mind in order to maximize the team's strength because they already know where the weaknesses are still in the team they are coaching. But some team fans when they see their team defeated with an abnormal score by a team that is not so strong will also feel a little hurt even though it is only a pre-season match that is not much different from a training for each team.

Preseason matters, but WAR matters more than games. Sculpting athletes into warriors and training their bodies and brains for warfare is the goal. Coutts and other sports scientists know that it's important to balance exercise with mental preparation. Championship teams are held together by pre-season bonds between players and coaches

Listen, drills aren't everything. Build brotherhood on and off the field. Our shared hardships and team-building moments establish an everlasting bond. The X-factor that makes a good team great is that chemistry

Every drop of pre-season sweat is an investment in the future, fans. Friendly match scores don't tell the whole story. The basis for a season of dominance. You're watching a team be constructed brick by brick to unleash hell in battle

[hahay]

Honestly I expected Bayern to put up another land slide victory even if I know FC Duren is much better if compared to the other team Bayern played against earlier. They will be glad it's pre season games, so kompany will get a better insight from here on what to do and where to best make adjustments so as to fit in the kind of results he's aiming at. It's even a perfect scenario he got a draw immediately after a win so he se quickly how it can look like and what are the things he needs to quickly address as the season is few weeks ahead.

Neither the first convincing win in a friendly nor the second draw means anything, because I didn't see any first team players in the squad (except for a few), so it's just an opportunity for some young players to show themselves to the Kompany and get a chance to play again in official matches, nothing more. Maybe some players (especially those who played at the Euro) are still on vacation and their preparation will only begin, so before judging Bayern's results in friendly matches, it's worth waiting for the official matches, in two weeks they will play a cup match, it will be a clearer picture.

The match against Duren resulted in a 1-1 draw, but I personally didn't take it too seriously. Because after all, Bayern Munich really has to keep its main players well because if they get injured, then of course it will be a loss later for Bayern Munich. Also, regarding the next two friendly matches Bayern Munich will play against Tottenham and I think, it doesn't matter if that Bayern Munich loses because those are also just friendly matches that are not that important.

But it's strange why they played twice against Tottenham later, because I think once is enough and allows the players to get more rest before entering the new season. But yes, let's just wait and see whether Bayern Munich will prioritize prestige or not. Because if Bayern Munich is concerned about prestige, then playing against Tottenham later maybe Komapny will play his main players to win.

[imamusma]

Pre-season matches are an opportunity for young players to show their talents and abilities in these matches, so that this will increase their chances of breaking into the main squad next season, that's why the players should be able to show their best performance in front  coach so that in this way the coach will be able to assess whether they deserve to be promoted next season or not, the friendly match is basically just a place for the coach to experiment in determining the framework of the team next season and also wants to see how much talent and performance their young players currently have, that's what why currently most coaches prioritize fielding their young squad in friendly match as well as an opportunity to test the mentality of young players.

I agree with you but not only to be promoted as a major player and training mentally but also as a second layer player to rotate when facing several competitions.
So that all Bundesliga clubs even any club will also do the same thing, especially big clubs that have plans to pursue the Champions League title.

Young players who managed to have a strong mentality as you said, of course, are also ready to face the pressure of the hood when needed when the main player needs a short break to avoid injury.
The preseason match may not be too serious but for the coaches of each club it is actually very important to see which players have higher mental readiness and have talents that can be relied upon later.

That's right, the pre-season tour is the right way to make various preparations before the official season starts, besides that the pre-season tour also aims to increase the fan base of a club in the areas they visit. This will also give them financial benefits, and managers can do various experiments without any pressure. Regardless of the results they get, I think it's not that important because it can't be used as a complete reference to assess their performance next season. For clubs that experience changes in managerial positions, friendly matches are very important, because they can be a place to test the suitability of the strategy that will be used next season. In general, the pre-season trip can be interpreted as a means to accelerate the adaptation process, build chemistry between players and coaches, after changes occurred within the team due to their movements in the transfer window.

[Marvell1]

Honestly I expected Bayern to put up another land slide victory even if I know FC Duren is much better if compared to the other team Bayern played against earlier. They will be glad it's pre season games, so kompany will get a better insight from here on what to do and where to best make adjustments so as to fit in the kind of results he's aiming at. It's even a perfect scenario he got a draw immediately after a win so he se quickly how it can look like and what are the things he needs to quickly address as the season is few weeks ahead.

Neither the first convincing win in a friendly nor the second draw means anything, because I didn't see any first team players in the squad (except for a few), so it's just an opportunity for some young players to show themselves to the Kompany and get a chance to play again in official matches, nothing more. Maybe some players (especially those who played at the Euro) are still on vacation and their preparation will only begin, so before judging Bayern's results in friendly matches, it's worth waiting for the official matches, in two weeks they will play a cup match, it will be a clearer picture.

https://bulinews.com/watch-irankunda-scores-bayern-1-1-friendly-draw-duren
It is a preseason preparation match & they are testing newcomer.

I have always said that friendly matches are just way to give the players who does not get good playing time, some playing time so that they can get used to things. It is not and also should not be aware to judge how a team is performing. Because at the end of the day, this is a friendly match and both teams are going to try to experiment in these matches. It is also a way for the coaches to actually figure out which player plays best in which position and with which tactics they might face problems and with which tactics the light at some success.

So I absolutely agree that in a friendly match winning by a huge margin or losing by a huge margin or even a draw does not really mean anything. We will actually have to wait for the competitive matches to know how the new coach is doing with the team.

[Lafu]

Currently, Nuri Sahin's pressure is actually the same as Kompany where he is a coach who is relatively new to coaching a big club so he must undergo his first season well.
Although we know as a player he is known especially when he was in Madrid but to be a coach and a player it is clear that it has a difference and
Nuri Sahin must be able to make the most of this opportunity because after all, by coaching Dortmund at this time,
it can make the situation in terms of his popularity as a coach can be lifted or even ignored.

I guess that the pressure at Kompany is much bigger as for Nuri Sahin in Dortmund , for sure both have to bring something good on the table in the coming season.
I fully agree that it is a difference when you was a good player and now being a Coach , where you have to proof again that you be can be a good one.
The popularity will be only lifted if he manage the team to work together and win games , all other things goes in the other direction.

[W Jr.]

Pre-season or friendly matches are an opportunity to see the quality of the players before joining official competitions and usually the coach will try to give opportunities to young players. The goal is to get the level of weaknesses that can be improved and find young talents to be included in the main squad. With the presence of pre-season or friendly matches, the coach can test several strategies so that he can decide to use them. Pre-season matches are considered important as an evaluation step and the coach has a view regarding the position that must be maximized and evaluated.

I think what you said is true because pre-season matches must be considered important in order to be able to produce new ideas in the coach's mind in order to maximize the team's strength because they already know where the weaknesses are still in the team they are coaching. But some team fans when they see their team defeated with an abnormal score by a team that is not so strong will also feel a little hurt even though it is only a pre-season match that is not much different from a training for each team.

It is very normal for friendly matches to end with such results. Sometimes the team that is not the favorite can win the match. Bundesliga is a tough league and every team will need to prepare in the best way possible and start the league. In friendly matches, coaches can try different tactics, different formations, different squads, this is very natural. The important thing is not to encounter such surprising results in the real tournament.

[Emitdama]

However, FC Duren is indeed a team that is quite troublesome for Bayern Munich and even though they are in a lower caste in Germany, their efforts to avoid a crushing defeat are worthy of our appreciation. Unlike FC Rottach who are always the target of Bayern Munich, they are much stronger to be able to dampen every Bayern Munich attack.

Regardless of all that, this is only a pre-season match and at least Bayern Munich is quite ready for the Bundesliga next season with all the possibilities. What is clear is that their opponents will be much more difficult than the pre-season teams they face and again Vincent Kompany is challenged to be able to provide an ideal game for Bayern Munich.

It's too soon to say anything about Kompany yet, these are not serious games and the team could have these kind of results, but it would definitely be good for morale if we end up with something much better before the season starts. The point of playing against a much weaker team during friendly games is that you end up playing awesome, you see how it feels when all goes according to plan, that way you trust the plan and you know the strategy and you look for the same thing on the real games when they start.

However, if you end up missing all that, and you end up with a tie like this, it instils fear and doubt into the players about the tactic and the strategy. This is why I  do not think that it makes sense for anyone to have this kind of result, I am not really planning on doing anything stupid and just say it didn't matter neither, it didn't matter much, but it wasn't zero neither, I believe it was definitely something that could be done eventually. What I think is the case here is that we could make it work some other way, it is going to end up with some trouble one way or another and we are going to end up with a lot of issues, it is not going to be all that easy to handle at all.