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October 31, 2012, 07:15:41 AM |
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Aha! Now we know why chip production is behind schedule. You bought your chip designer on craigslist!   I'm just joking and mean no offence to Nasser! |
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bitcoindaddy
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November 01, 2012, 05:37:02 PM |
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If the boards are already made, and asics already placed, something like this would probably be enough:  What'd be ideal is if these were almost exactly the same height as the space between bottom of board to enclosure, so that if the thermal adhesive proves not to be reliable, at least the heatsinks will be kept in place (not a bunch of copper pieces shaking around and contacting the board). Would it be possible to solder something like this to the board before the ASIC chips are placed? Where do you buy these kind of heatsinks and what are they called? I have a feeling I'm going to need some. |
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MrTeal
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November 01, 2012, 05:49:14 PM |
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If the boards are already made, and asics already placed, something like this would probably be enough:
What'd be ideal is if these were almost exactly the same height as the space between bottom of board to enclosure, so that if the thermal adhesive proves not to be reliable, at least the heatsinks will be kept in place (not a bunch of copper pieces shaking around and contacting the board).
Would it be possible to solder something like this to the board before the ASIC chips are placed?
Where do you buy these kind of heatsinks and what are they called? I have a feeling I'm going to need some. |
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bitcoindaddy
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November 01, 2012, 05:56:16 PM |
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If the boards are already made, and asics already placed, something like this would probably be enough:
What'd be ideal is if these were almost exactly the same height as the space between bottom of board to enclosure, so that if the thermal adhesive proves not to be reliable, at least the heatsinks will be kept in place (not a bunch of copper pieces shaking around and contacting the board).
Would it be possible to solder something like this to the board before the ASIC chips are placed?
Where do you buy these kind of heatsinks and what are they called? I have a feeling I'm going to need some. We just need to find out the dimensions of the package BFL is using for their ASIC... |
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MrTeal
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November 01, 2012, 06:21:11 PM |
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If the boards are already made, and asics already placed, something like this would probably be enough:
What'd be ideal is if these were almost exactly the same height as the space between bottom of board to enclosure, so that if the thermal adhesive proves not to be reliable, at least the heatsinks will be kept in place (not a bunch of copper pieces shaking around and contacting the board).
Would it be possible to solder something like this to the board before the ASIC chips are placed?
Where do you buy these kind of heatsinks and what are they called? I have a feeling I'm going to need some. We just need to find out the dimensions of the package BFL is using for their ASIC... Just measure them. You know the board is 92mmx92mm, count pixels. |
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November 01, 2012, 06:22:36 PM |
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11mm^2
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If you're searching these lines for a point, you've probably missed it. There was never anything there in the first place.
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abeaulieu
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November 01, 2012, 06:24:18 PM |
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11mm^2
didn't take long for Inaba to count the pixels |
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November 01, 2012, 06:24:48 PM |
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11mm^2
Is that the die size? Or is the package 11x11? |
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November 01, 2012, 06:25:21 PM |
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Package size. Do I get half a bounty?
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If you're searching these lines for a point, you've probably missed it. There was never anything there in the first place.
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bitcoindaddy
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November 01, 2012, 06:28:50 PM |
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I wish BFL had used ceramic packaging instead of plastic. How much more can mil-spec ASIC's cost?  |
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November 01, 2012, 06:29:00 PM |
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Package size. Do I get half a bounty?
Just out of curiosity, suppose we get our boards and you guys upgrade your chips a year later. Would it be possible to just do chip swaps? Pop off the old one and insert the new, smaller, faster one? |
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November 01, 2012, 06:47:48 PM |
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Package size. Do I get half a bounty?
Just out of curiosity, suppose we get our boards and you guys upgrade your chips a year later. Would it be possible to just do chip swaps? Pop off the old one and insert the new, smaller, faster one? If this were intended, the chips would be socketed. |
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bce
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November 01, 2012, 07:29:29 PM
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Package size. Do I get half a bounty?
Just out of curiosity, suppose we get our boards and you guys upgrade your chips a year later. Would it be possible to just do chip swaps? Pop off the old one and insert the new, smaller, faster one? If this were intended, the chips would be socketed. Yeah, and with a nice slab of copper in the middle of the socket I'm still trying to imagine how to cool the bottom side of these chips. If there are no traces directly under the ASIC chip, I'd like to cut a square hole under each chip and get at least some copper down there... The hole size would be limited by pressure on the ASIC being applied from the HSF on the top side. The bottom heatsink could simply be a small square about the height of the board's depth above a larger square that adheres flush with board, and with some fins beneath. It'd be like a 2 level pyramid with fins on bottom. This is just my best guess for how I'd modify things on the board if I could magically change the existing design. |
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beekeeper
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November 01, 2012, 07:44:34 PM |
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Package size. Do I get half a bounty?
Just out of curiosity, suppose we get our boards and you guys upgrade your chips a year later. Would it be possible to just do chip swaps? Pop off the old one and insert the new, smaller, faster one? If this were intended, the chips would be socketed. Yeah, and with a nice slab of copper in the middle of the socket I'm still trying to imagine how to cool the bottom side of these chips. If there are no traces directly under the ASIC chip, I'd like to cut a square hole under each chip and get at least some copper down there... The hole size would be limited by pressure on the ASIC being applied from the HSF on the top side. The bottom heatsink could simply be a small square about the height of the board's depth above a larger square that adheres flush with board, and with some fins beneath. It'd be like a 2 level pyramid with fins on bottom. This is just my best guess for how I'd modify things on the board if I could magically change the existing design. Copper island and vias can transfer as much as 30% of heat from the chip on the other side of the PCB. Just add heatsinks on the other side. |
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November 01, 2012, 07:54:58 PM |
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11mm^2
Is that the die size? Or is the package 11x11? That is NOT an area of 11mm^2 (3.1x3.1mm), it must be 11x11mm. Area on these bad boys (package, not die) is 121mm^2 if they are 11x11. |
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November 01, 2012, 08:07:18 PM |
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@ bce
I would think that if you start cutting on the circuit board you will void the warranty.
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November 01, 2012, 08:13:45 PM |
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11mm^2
didn't take long for Inaba to count the pixels I counted pixels and arrived at the same conclusion: I don't see a die-size prediction. I'm going with 24mm^2
From the board pictures, the chip packages appear to my eyes to be 11x11mm. Not that that says a whole lot about the die size. |
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November 01, 2012, 08:36:13 PM |
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@ bce
I would think that if you start cutting on the circuit board you will void the warranty.
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abeaulieu
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November 01, 2012, 09:03:22 PM |
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11mm^2
Is that the die size? Or is the package 11x11? That is NOT an area of 11mm^2 (3.1x3.1mm), it must be 11x11mm. Area on these bad boys (package, not die) is 121mm^2 if they are 11x11. Like Inaba said: (11mm)^2 lol |
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November 02, 2012, 03:35:09 AM |
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11mm^2
Is that the die size? Or is the package 11x11? That is NOT an area of 11mm^2 (3.1x3.1mm), it must be 11x11mm. Area on these bad boys (package, not die) is 121mm^2 if they are 11x11. Like Inaba said: (11mm)^2 lol I'm just curious as to why the sub script isn't used: 11 2 |
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