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November 19, 2017, 03:07:25 PM
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I agree with many of the items on this list. But, why items 3 through 8? I think that for items 3-7, if you are genuinely new to this and not a scammer, you would not know any better, especially 5-7

3. Use of a seemingly realistic first/last name as their forum account name
4. Signs posts with full name
5. Straight out of Newbie mode right into Lending (requesting a loan of course)
6. Straight out of Newbie mode right into Currency Exchange (PayPal, Liberty Reserve, Western Union)
7. Straight out of Newbie mode and selling gift cards/codes/Steam games of any kind (they'll often be purchased with stolen CC info, leaving you holding the bag later on down the road)

I'm also curious about number 8:
8. Any user blatantly claiming to be female

How did that come about? Are those who are genuinely female screwed?

Again, I'm a noob and just trying to understand...


hehehehe, that point 8 really got me wondering too. Albeit the points are pretty much solid, but i won't bet my balls on them because the points can be circumvented too and at times, it can be rendered invalid.
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thank you for  the information.. i'm sure lot of newbies will be aware of them
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November 19, 2017, 11:57:04 PM
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Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers.  Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Anyway, watch out for the typical behavior from scammers who will usually fit at least two or three (and sometimes even more) of the following characteristics:

0. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's a 100% chance that you will get scammed (or you're a scammer yourself).
1. New account (usually created within the last 3 months, plus or minus)
2. Low-medium message count with vapid posts of little to no contributory value
3. Use of a seemingly realistic first/last name as their forum account name
4. Signs posts with full name
5. Straight out of Newbie mode right into Lending (requesting a loan of course)
6. Straight out of Newbie mode right into Currency Exchange (PayPal, Liberty Reserve, Western Union)
7. Straight out of Newbie mode and selling gift cards/codes/Steam games of any kind
(they'll often be purchased with stolen CC info, leaving you holding the bag later on down the road)
8. Any user blatantly claiming to be female
9. New user trying to sell an Apple iAnything
10. Sob stories asking for handouts
11. Never send to a Bitmerch.com address for escrow!!!
12. Scammers will try to scam you out of amounts as little as BTC.001 or even less. Do not think that just because the requested amount is trivial that it's any more legit than a 1000 BTC loan request.
13. Any user who tries to get you to use escrow through Escrow.com is a scammer, PERIOD.

There.  Pretty much in a nutshell how to spot a scammer.  There's still some finesse to spotting a scammer, but these rules will separate most of the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.  Oh, and I guess there's one more rule:

13. NEVER DO BACKROOM DEALS VIA PM WITH NEW USERS. Make sure all deals are negotiated in the open forum for both public record and peer review.

Examples of posts that fit the scammer pattern:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229987.0 angie (Pending, New acct + Wants to buy 100K XRP and wants to see your address that has the XRP, but when escrow comes up, he logs off and disappears)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227927.0 personABCD (Pending, New acct + Loan req, has a small circle jerk of new users that he's ping-pong'ing fractional loans between)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=221204.0 Liberty Payout (Scammer, Numerous references, just do a search on his forum name)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=213754.0 Chalie215 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214277.0 Waterberry (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212603.0 badgerman (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188645.0 CryptoTrader (Scammer, New acct + Currency exchanging where you send first)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188674.0 vivithemage (Pending, Old dormant account newly revived and asking for a loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186031.0 kidcudi09 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=185898.0 ashleysly (Pending, New acct + Loan req + Signs with full name + Implied female)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=183309.0 theblazehen (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=181429.0 btc-escrow.co (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180757.0 barneyss (Pending, New acct + Loan req, Highly implausible story)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180246.0 Slix313 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173718.0 ionux (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=171031.0 StealthyDamn (Pending, New acct + Get rich quick scam)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173215.0 brie (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172793.0 badgetman (Pending, New acct + Loan req for 2 BTC)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119896.msg1793008#msg1793008 Bitzing (New acct + Taking MP and not delivering BTC, More info, Credit goes to BCB)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=171613.0 nawazish1 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170446.0 zakolivers (Pending, New acct + Wants to buy BTC with PayPal. He uses a seemingly real first/last name as his username, so he's gotta be legit, right?)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169922.0 vitalemontea (Scammer, New acct + Peddling digital goods/WU, More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165884.0 Flux79 (Pending, New acct + Gift cards)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=168669.0 lucyhiggins (Scammer*, New acct + Wants you to link your bank account to his PayPal account)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167429.0 TreePot (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166991.0 refta (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166438.0 OMGBobMarley (Scammer, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166014.0 World Commerce (Pending, New acct + Reloadable CC)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145234.0 RobertClemons (Pending, New acct + Attempting to buy BTC with Paypal acct that doesn't belong to him)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163256.0 GoldenAngel (Pending, New acct + "Investment" req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=164166.0 Xnives99 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=162204.0 DastanX (Scammer, New acct + Loan req, Claims it was filled but probably won't provide a TxID)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=161647.0 c0ikws (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159934.0 ChickaDee (Scammer, New acct + Loan req, Man-in-the-Middle scam, alt of marketersales, More info, Credit goes to John (John K.))
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159764.0 ffernandex (Pending, New acct + Loan req, I think this one was meant to be a joke though)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158639.0 TheDarkBanker (Pending, New acct + Gift cards)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157764.0 instaBoost (Scammer, New acct + Money exchange deals, iPhones for sale, More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154761.0 BitPanda (Scammer, New acct + Loan req, Loan filled by another new acct Surpbitcoin)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154010.0 rockso (Scammer, More info, Credit goes to Littleshop)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153203.0 Humanxlemming (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152965.0 MoneypakBuyer (Scammer, New acct + Loan req, More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152461.0 tacoman359 (Pending, New account + Microsoft Points)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152120.0 Darkdata (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151995.0 otown240 (Pending, New acct + Loan req, Nvm he was instructed to post a request by kjlimo as a matter of public record)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151563.0 bennybong (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151398.0 whathe12 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151195.0 kush1218 (Scammer, New account + Gift cards, alt of firstlady0524, More info, Credit goes to Blazr)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94513.00 xavil (Pending, Possible attempt at a fraudulent private BTC purchase, Credit goes to BCB)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150569.0 paysafecardbitcoin (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150349.0 Intueri (Scammer, More info, New acct + Loan req, Posting history seems to indicate a gambling habit)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148593.0 UncleBuckRIU (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146968.0 flavius (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146788.0 d3adleavez (Pending*, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146362.0 OrangeVonPurple (Scammer*, Possibly alt of marketersales, tacoman359, and OMGBobMarley. Went straight to selling XBoxLive points.)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145505.0 RHCwebhosting (Pending*, Multiple red-flags on this one. Should be pretty obvious)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145274.0 bluedye (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145219.0 nlovric (Pending, User appears to be legit)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145225.0 nlovric (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147357.0 ironcross360 (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144992.0 ironcross360 (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145195.0 emma (Pending, May be legit, but as always use caution. See: http://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,1179.msg6757.html)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144665.0 tldoctor (Pending, Now that he's had time to get a few posts in, it appears this is a legit user. His initial timing of the loan request was a bit alarming though)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144559.0 hiddenoreo (Pending, New acct + Multiple loan reqs)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144582.0 jspring (Pending, Gift cards)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142104.0 flatlinezor (Pending, Gift cards)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=143883.0 tantienstar69 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=143415.0 tantienstar69 (Pending*, vouched for by audiation)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142058.0 koelen3 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141424.0 claire (Scammer*, Loan requests (check!), MoneyPak (check!), gift cards (check!))
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56835.00 SirChiko (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144012.0 realityfalacy (Pending*, Might be legit but the timing of the loan request is suspicious)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141739.0 realityfalacy (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141548.0 lakzo (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141456.0 uhnonamiss (Pending, more Giftcards for Bitcoins)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140690.0 ridgemont4 (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140846.0 KJTetc (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140933.0 blakbeard (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140531.0 raven666 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141039.0 cardinalG (Scammer*, More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140049.0 cardinalG (Scammer*, More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140095.0 AndrewJ (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139935.0 constitution (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139727.0 itai3856 (Scammer, More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139257.0 tono18 (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139398.0 tono18 (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137865.0 thomison360 (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88315.00 unkn0wn12 (Scammer*, More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136346.0 furrycoat (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137633.0 SouthernComfort (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136941.0 JonMcAlpine (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136785.0 chillywilly (Pending*, possible alt of cozz)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130251.0 Ploni (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136282.0 marketersales (Scammer*, Accused of scamming then "found loan elsewhere" but no TXID provided)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136306.0 teodor87 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138807.0 shoopwooper (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135612.0 shoopwooper (Pending*, "found loan elsewhere" but no TXID provided)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135459.0 Marker88 (Pending, long-dormant 2011 account recently revived)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138131.0 Jakers (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136749.0 Jakers (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134835.0 Jakers (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131217.0 swc1 (Scammer)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133052.0 leominer (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=132983.0 AnonCard (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129567.0 SynOps (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130459.0 drakedog (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129557.0 heart_mons (Pending*, User has had one successful loan of 5BTC before, but defaulted on another loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134921.0 61197da925c1 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129615.0 61197da925c1 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129508.0 Dakster (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126470.0 Dakster (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133368.0 Roxyoursox (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128437.0 Roxyoursox (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128017.0 andrew12 (Old dormant account suddenly revived and now asking for a loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126819.0 pereiaex (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=127143.0 quirky53 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=123435.0 Crookid (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120647.0 Metta28 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122729.0 RantinRave (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122668.0 Serenity.Sapphire (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121136.0 pat231 (Scammer* though I suspect he's less a scammer and more likely just really bad at managing his money)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119831.0 jackdavis1983 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122082.0 hobo66. (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121998.0 Ssoftware (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120233.0 Bitcoinscene (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119871.0 ChrisNelson (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119384.0 CoinCleaner (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121012.0 LionHeart (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119824.0 LionHeart (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118514.0 Gretchen (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99233.00 noobularkid (Scammer*)

* Account appears to have been abandoned once it was flagged as a scammer, or became apparent he wasn't getting a loan.

Please note that the accounts listed above aren't necessarily or automatically assumed to be scammers. They just fit the description, so to speak.

Examples of posts that fit the pattern that were successful:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154985.0 Wardrick (Successful loan!, Little late on the payback, but he eventually came through, Ended up being a scammer anyway)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141182.0 hardup (Successful Loan!, 2.0 BTC, Several weeks late, but eventually paid back)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=185004.0 bennett616 (Successful Loan!, 0.1 BTC, Ended up defaulting on another loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153274.0 Mosper (Successful Loan!, 15.0 BTC, but repayment had to be coerced from lendee , Turns out this was a scammer afterall https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227232)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158761.0 shibaji (Successful Loan!, Used collateral, 10.0 BTC)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129567.0 SynOps (Pending, Due to the spike in exchange rate it's become difficult to pay back the entire amount borrowed at once, but SynOps appears to be making an honest effort of it, after further investigation, it appears SynOps was using a MITM scam, More info, Credit goes to Kelticfox Sonnyblack and Glooboy)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141215.0 Currencevents (Successful Loan! 4.0 BTC, https://btcjam.com/listings/1573)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149335.0 Jenger (Successful Loan! 0.5 BTC)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137766.0 MoneypakTrader.com (Successful Trades!, Has completed a few successful transactions. As always, use caution, even when dealing with senior members)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136132.0 DPony13 (Successful Loan! 2.5 BTC, Ended up defaulting on another loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122658.0 xx78213 (Successful Loan! 0.2 BTC)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=123728.0 heart_mons (Successful Loan! 5.0 BTC, Ended up defaulting on another loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134918.0 polymorphous (Successful Trade! 2.0 BTC)

TLDR: Be careful before you freely give away your coins. From the evidence collected here, you stand substantial chance of getting ripped off if lending to someone who fits the scammer profile.  If that chance is worth making an extra 1-10% on your money, I can't stop you.

good post with plenty of good info for all,well done.
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November 21, 2017, 02:36:43 PM
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Yea good
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December 01, 2017, 06:58:43 AM
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Good post. Anyways, is there any loan market here or it is just between two persons if someone wants to borrow some crypto?

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December 07, 2017, 06:35:58 AM
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Thanks for the info!
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December 09, 2017, 05:03:08 PM
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Thanks you very much  Smiley Smiley
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December 09, 2017, 08:32:25 PM
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thanx for the info!  Cool
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December 17, 2017, 10:07:13 AM
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Thanks for the info. Btw, I think to use a middle man for any transactions is a good way not to get scammed. What do you think?
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December 26, 2017, 07:17:02 AM
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thanks for this thread its really helpfull Smiley
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January 09, 2018, 03:44:58 AM
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Thanks for the info great topic  Wink
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January 09, 2018, 09:30:45 PM
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thank you for  the information/post... unbelievable! good to know!
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Hi
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January 13, 2018, 02:56:14 AM
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i think scammer mostly wont reply properly for doubtful question ,

 Also we will get some keynote from the username or email address



 

for me all of us can be a scammer in this kind of business...because we all strangers inside the internet no body can trace the exact name of the person or the identity of the individual..the only thing i can rely is trust..that all...good luck to all bit-coiners.
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January 15, 2018, 08:35:59 AM
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Thanks for your sharing, it's very helpful with newbie like me. Btw, haven't tried this lending yet because of its high level of risk Smiley)
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January 24, 2018, 12:53:33 PM
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Hello, tell guys what work you can get here and how to earn btc?
and how not to fall for scammers?
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January 25, 2018, 12:51:18 PM
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Thanks for that great POST. Very necessary.
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February 09, 2018, 09:01:46 AM
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Introduce people, this is the usd loan site, so the risk is low.
Pay through perfectmoney instantly
Project activities take profits from the coin and ico so not web hyip

You can receive payments every day, with many optional packages
Registration link at https://lendingico.trade/?ref=minhpro
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February 15, 2018, 05:40:04 PM
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Introduce people, this is the usd loan site, so the risk is low.
Pay through perfectmoney instantly
Project activities take profits from the coin and ico so not web hyip

You can receive payments every day, with many optional packages
Registration link at https://lendingico.trade/?ref=minhpro

So another new way to Scam people right?  Do you think it's appropriate section to advertise your site?
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February 19, 2018, 02:47:09 PM
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Thank you for clarifying some questions for me!
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