But what can I do to be able to get a loan with no collateral for an investment being that I'm a newbie. In a way this is like applying for a job for the experience and not getting the job for lack of experience.
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry. Anyway, watch out for the typical behavior from scammers who will usually fit at least two or three (and sometimes even more) of the following characteristics:
0. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's a
100% chance that you will get scammed (or you're a scammer yourself).
1. New account (usually created within the last 3 months, plus or minus)
2. Low-medium message count with vapid posts of little to no contributory value
3. Use of a seemingly realistic first/last name as their forum account name
4. Signs posts with full name
5. Straight out of Newbie mode right into Lending (requesting a loan of course)
6. Straight out of Newbie mode right into Currency Exchange (PayPal, Liberty Reserve, Western Union)
7. Straight out of Newbie mode and selling gift cards/codes/Steam games of any kind (they'll often be purchased with stolen CC info, leaving you holding the bag later on down the road)
8. Any user blatantly claiming to be female
9. New user trying to sell an Apple iAnything
10. Sob stories asking for handouts
11. Never send to a Bitmerch.com address for escrow!!!12. Scammers
will try to scam you out of amounts as little as
BTC.001 or even less. Do not think that just because the requested amount is trivial that it's any more legit than a 1000 BTC loan request.
13. Any user who tries to get you to use escrow through Escrow.com is a scammer, PERIOD.
There. Pretty much in a nutshell how to spot a scammer. There's still some finesse to spotting a scammer, but these rules will separate most of the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. Oh, and I guess there's one more rule:
13. NEVER DO BACKROOM DEALS VIA PM WITH NEW USERS. Make sure all deals are negotiated in the open forum for both public record and peer review.Examples of posts that fit the scammer pattern:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229987.0 angie (Pending, New acct + Wants to buy 100K XRP and wants to see your address that has the XRP, but when escrow comes up, he logs off and disappears)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227927.0 personABCD (Pending, New acct + Loan req, has a small circle jerk of new users that he's ping-pong'ing fractional loans between)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=221204.0 Liberty Payout (
Scammer, Numerous references, just do a search on his forum name)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=213754.0 Chalie215 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214277.0 Waterberry (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212603.0 badgerman (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188645.0 CryptoTrader (
Scammer, New acct + Currency exchanging where you send first)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188674.0 vivithemage (Pending, Old dormant account newly revived and asking for a loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186031.0 kidcudi09 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=185898.0 ashleysly (Pending, New acct + Loan req + Signs with full name + Implied female)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=183309.0 theblazehen (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=181429.0 btc-escrow.co (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180757.0 barneyss (Pending, New acct + Loan req, Highly implausible story)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180246.0 Slix313 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173718.0 ionux (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=171031.0 StealthyDamn (Pending, New acct + Get rich quick scam)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173215.0 brie (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172793.0 badgetman (Pending, New acct + Loan req for 2 BTC)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119896.msg1793008#msg1793008 Bitzing (New acct + Taking MP and not delivering BTC,
More info, Credit goes to
BCB)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=171613.0 nawazish1 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170446.0 zakolivers (Pending, New acct + Wants to buy BTC with PayPal. He uses a seemingly real first/last name as his username, so he's gotta be legit, right?)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169922.0 vitalemontea (
Scammer, New acct + Peddling digital goods/WU,
More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165884.0 Flux79 (Pending, New acct + Gift cards)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=168669.0 lucyhiggins (
Scammer*, New acct + Wants you to link
your bank account to
his PayPal account)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167429.0 TreePot (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166991.0 refta (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166438.0 OMGBobMarley (
Scammer, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166014.0 World Commerce (Pending, New acct + Reloadable CC)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145234.0 RobertClemons (Pending, New acct + Attempting to buy BTC with Paypal acct that doesn't belong to him)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163256.0 GoldenAngel (Pending, New acct + "Investment" req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=164166.0 Xnives99 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=162204.0 DastanX (
Scammer, New acct + Loan req, Claims it was filled but probably won't provide a TxID)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=161647.0 c0ikws (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159934.0 ChickaDee (
Scammer, New acct + Loan req, Man-in-the-Middle scam, alt of
marketersales,
More info, Credit goes to
John (John K.))
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159764.0 ffernandex (Pending, New acct + Loan req, I think this one was meant to be a joke though)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158639.0 TheDarkBanker (Pending, New acct + Gift cards)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157764.0 instaBoost (
Scammer, New acct + Money exchange deals, iPhones for sale,
More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154761.0 BitPanda (
Scammer, New acct + Loan req, Loan filled by another new acct
Surpbitcoin)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154010.0 rockso (
Scammer,
More info, Credit goes to
Littleshop)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153203.0 Humanxlemming (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152965.0 MoneypakBuyer (
Scammer, New acct + Loan req,
More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152461.0 tacoman359 (Pending, New account + Microsoft Points)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152120.0 Darkdata (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151995.0 otown240 (
Pending, New acct + Loan req, Nvm he was instructed to post a request by
kjlimo as a matter of public record)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151563.0 bennybong (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151398.0 whathe12 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151195.0 kush1218 (
Scammer, New account + Gift cards, alt of
firstlady0524,
More info, Credit goes to
Blazr)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94513.00 xavil (Pending, Possible attempt at a fraudulent private BTC purchase, Credit goes to
BCB)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150569.0 paysafecardbitcoin (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150349.0 Intueri (
Scammer,
More info, New acct + Loan req, Posting history seems to indicate a gambling habit)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148593.0 UncleBuckRIU (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146968.0 flavius (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146788.0 d3adleavez (Pending
*, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146362.0 OrangeVonPurple (
Scammer*, Possibly alt of
marketersales,
tacoman359, and
OMGBobMarley. Went straight to selling XBoxLive points.)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145505.0 RHCwebhosting (Pending
*, Multiple red-flags on this one. Should be pretty obvious)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145274.0 bluedye (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145219.0 nlovric (Pending, User appears to be legit)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145225.0 nlovric (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147357.0 ironcross360 (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144992.0 ironcross360 (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145195.0 emma (Pending, May be legit, but as always use caution. See:
http://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,1179.msg6757.html)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144665.0 tldoctor (Pending, Now that he's had time to get a few posts in, it appears this is a legit user. His initial timing of the loan request was a bit alarming though)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144559.0 hiddenoreo (Pending, New acct + Multiple loan reqs)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144582.0 jspring (Pending, Gift cards)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142104.0 flatlinezor (Pending, Gift cards)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=143883.0 tantienstar69 (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=143415.0 tantienstar69 (Pending
*, vouched for by
audiation)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142058.0 koelen3 (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141424.0 claire (
Scammer*, Loan requests (check!), MoneyPak (check!), gift cards (check!))
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56835.00 SirChiko (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144012.0 realityfalacy (Pending
*, Might be legit but the timing of the loan request is suspicious)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141739.0 realityfalacy (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141548.0 lakzo (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141456.0 uhnonamiss (Pending, more Giftcards for Bitcoins)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140690.0 ridgemont4 (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140846.0 KJTetc (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140933.0 blakbeard (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140531.0 raven666 (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141039.0 cardinalG (
Scammer*,
More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140049.0 cardinalG (
Scammer*,
More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140095.0 AndrewJ (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139935.0 constitution (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139727.0 itai3856 (
Scammer,
More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139257.0 tono18 (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139398.0 tono18 (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137865.0 thomison360 (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88315.00 unkn0wn12 (
Scammer*,
More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136346.0 furrycoat (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137633.0 SouthernComfort (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136941.0 JonMcAlpine (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136785.0 chillywilly (Pending
*, possible alt of
cozz)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130251.0 Ploni (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136282.0 marketersales (
Scammer*, Accused of scamming then "found loan elsewhere" but no TXID provided)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136306.0 teodor87 (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138807.0 shoopwooper (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135612.0 shoopwooper (Pending
*, "found loan elsewhere" but no TXID provided)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135459.0 Marker88 (Pending, long-dormant 2011 account recently revived)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138131.0 Jakers (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136749.0 Jakers (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134835.0 Jakers (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131217.0 swc1 (
Scammer)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133052.0 leominer (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=132983.0 AnonCard (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129567.0 SynOps (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130459.0 drakedog (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129557.0 heart_mons (Pending
*, User has had one successful loan of 5BTC before, but defaulted on
another loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134921.0 61197da925c1 (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129615.0 61197da925c1 (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129508.0 Dakster (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126470.0 Dakster (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133368.0 Roxyoursox (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128437.0 Roxyoursox (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128017.0 andrew12 (Old dormant account suddenly revived and now asking for a loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126819.0 pereiaex (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=127143.0 quirky53 (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=123435.0 Crookid (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120647.0 Metta28 (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122729.0 RantinRave (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122668.0 Serenity.Sapphire (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121136.0 pat231 (
Scammer* though I suspect he's less a scammer and more likely just really bad at managing his money)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119831.0 jackdavis1983 (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122082.0 hobo66. (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121998.0 Ssoftware (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120233.0 Bitcoinscene (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119871.0 ChrisNelson (Pending
*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119384.0 CoinCleaner (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121012.0 LionHeart (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119824.0 LionHeart (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118514.0 Gretchen (
Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99233.00 noobularkid (
Scammer*)
* Account appears to have been abandoned once it was flagged as a scammer, or became apparent he wasn't getting a loan.
Please note that the accounts listed above aren't necessarily or automatically assumed to be scammers. They just fit the description, so to speak.
Examples of posts that fit the pattern that were successful:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154985.0 Wardrick (Successful loan!, Little late on the payback, but he eventually came through, Ended up being a scammer anyway)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141182.0 hardup (Successful Loan!, 2.0 BTC, Several weeks late, but eventually paid back)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=185004.0 bennett616 (Successful Loan!, 0.1 BTC, Ended up defaulting on another loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153274.0 Mosper (Successful Loan!, 15.0 BTC, but repayment had to be coerced from lendee , Turns out this was a scammer afterall https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227232)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158761.0 shibaji (Successful Loan!, Used collateral, 10.0 BTC)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129567.0 SynOps (Pending, Due to the spike in exchange rate it's become difficult to pay back the entire amount borrowed at once, but SynOps appears to be making an honest effort of it, after further investigation, it appears SynOps was using a MITM scam, More info, Credit goes to Kelticfox Sonnyblack and Glooboy)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141215.0 Currencevents (Successful Loan! 4.0 BTC, https://btcjam.com/listings/1573)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149335.0 Jenger (Successful Loan! 0.5 BTC)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137766.0 MoneypakTrader.com (Successful Trades!, Has completed a few successful transactions. As always, use caution, even when dealing with senior members)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136132.0 DPony13 (Successful Loan! 2.5 BTC, Ended up defaulting on another loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122658.0 xx78213 (Successful Loan! 0.2 BTC)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=123728.0 heart_mons (Successful Loan! 5.0 BTC, Ended up defaulting on another loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134918.0 polymorphous (Successful Trade! 2.0 BTC)
TLDR: Be careful before you freely give away your coins. From the evidence collected here, you stand substantial chance of getting ripped off if lending to someone who fits the scammer profile. If that chance is worth making an extra 1-10% on your money, I can't stop you.
