Find Trendon Shavers in person thread... [BTCST, BTS&T, pirateat40]

[yochdog]

Hopefully. And it wouldn't be bad to see the SEC investigating also the very well known "hero" members that gave Trevor credibility and promoted his ponzi by running PTs and such...

Totally agree with this, even though some of them might already have been punished pretty bad...

Here are the top ending account balances from: http://ia600904.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.txed.146063/gov.uscourts.txed.146063.4.8.pdf

payb.tc 150.501
gigavps 45.783
hashking 45.680
onefixt 39.781
copumpkin 37.936 (received 10.5% weekly interest for some reason)
goat 35.864
imsaguy 35.064
brightanarchist 30.486 (funny username)
PatrickHarnett 29.140
rpac_internet 27.998
rix2000 25.100
bitcoinbaltar 25.501
brendio 25.000
btc4domains 21.420
PxJem7Cj 20.000
reeses 17.682
bwagner 13.500
ineededausername 9.275

Yeah sure,  some of these were Pass-Throughs, but still I am sure some took some heavy losses here.

I wonder how many actually withdrew much more than they deposited, and the ending balance was simply "phantom profits".

Giga looks like he deposited much more than he withdrew, but much of it is transfers from other accounts, so it is hard to tell. 

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[cryptoanarchist]

Hopefully. And it wouldn't be bad to see the SEC investigating also the very well known "hero" members that gave Trevor credibility and promoted his ponzi by running PTs and such...

Totally agree with this, even though some of them might already have been punished pretty bad...

Here are the top ending account balances from: http://ia600904.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.txed.146063/gov.uscourts.txed.146063.4.8.pdf

payb.tc 150.501
gigavps 45.783
hashking 45.680
onefixt 39.781
copumpkin 37.936 (received 10.5% weekly interest for some reason)
goat 35.864
imsaguy 35.064
brightanarchist 30.486 (funny username)
PatrickHarnett 29.140
rpac_internet 27.998
rix2000 25.100
bitcoinbaltar 25.501
brendio 25.000
btc4domains 21.420
PxJem7Cj 20.000
reeses 17.682
bwagner 13.500
ineededausername 9.275

Yeah sure,  some of these were Pass-Throughs, but still I am sure some took some heavy losses here.

Most of those guys are indeed scammers. I think most of them were in on it and probably didn't suffer any losses.

[Inedible]

Hopefully. And it wouldn't be bad to see the SEC investigating also the very well known "hero" members that gave Trevor credibility and promoted his ponzi by running PTs and such...

Totally agree with this, even though some of them might already have been punished pretty bad...

Here are the top ending account balances from: http://ia600904.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.txed.146063/gov.uscourts.txed.146063.4.8.pdf

payb.tc 150.501
gigavps 45.783
hashking 45.680
onefixt 39.781
copumpkin 37.936 (received 10.5% weekly interest for some reason)
goat 35.864
imsaguy 35.064
brightanarchist 30.486 (funny username)
PatrickHarnett 29.140
rpac_internet 27.998
rix2000 25.100
bitcoinbaltar 25.501
brendio 25.000
btc4domains 21.420
PxJem7Cj 20.000
reeses 17.682
bwagner 13.500
ineededausername 9.275

Yeah sure,  some of these were Pass-Throughs, but still I am sure some took some heavy losses here.

Are these in units of 1000?

[wachtwoord]

Hopefully. And it wouldn't be bad to see the SEC investigating also the very well known "hero" members that gave Trevor credibility and promoted his ponzi by running PTs and such...

Totally agree with this, even though some of them might already have been punished pretty bad...

Here are the top ending account balances from: http://ia600904.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.txed.146063/gov.uscourts.txed.146063.4.8.pdf

payb.tc 150.501
gigavps 45.783
hashking 45.680
onefixt 39.781
copumpkin 37.936 (received 10.5% weekly interest for some reason)
goat 35.864
imsaguy 35.064
brightanarchist 30.486 (funny username)
PatrickHarnett 29.140
rpac_internet 27.998
rix2000 25.100
bitcoinbaltar 25.501
brendio 25.000
btc4domains 21.420
PxJem7Cj 20.000
reeses 17.682
bwagner 13.500
ineededausername 9.275

Yeah sure,  some of these were Pass-Throughs, but still I am sure some took some heavy losses here.

Are these in units of 1000?

No, they are written European style. Americans use comma's on place of the dots.

[infested999]

Hopefully. And it wouldn't be bad to see the SEC investigating also the very well known "hero" members that gave Trevor credibility and promoted his ponzi by running PTs and such...

Totally agree with this, even though some of them might already have been punished pretty bad...

Here are the top ending account balances from: http://ia600904.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.txed.146063/gov.uscourts.txed.146063.4.8.pdf

payb.tc 150.501
gigavps 45.783
hashking 45.680
onefixt 39.781
copumpkin 37.936 (received 10.5% weekly interest for some reason)
goat 35.864
imsaguy 35.064
brightanarchist 30.486 (funny username)
PatrickHarnett 29.140
rpac_internet 27.998
rix2000 25.100
bitcoinbaltar 25.501
brendio 25.000
btc4domains 21.420
PxJem7Cj 20.000
reeses 17.682
bwagner 13.500
ineededausername 9.275

Yeah sure,  some of these were Pass-Throughs, but still I am sure some took some heavy losses here.

Are these in units of 1000?

No, they are written European style. Americans use comma's on place of the dots.

And people here claim that PDF is "Straight from SEC". Either there is a guy from Europe who made that list for the SEC, or everyone here is just dumb spreading false information.

The SEC has not confirmed that they made any of the PDFs in this thread.

[SebastianJu]

The pdf is definitely using a . like its done in america. In Europe . and , are used exactly the opposite. So i think its not 150000 but 150BTC instead. 150000 sounds way to much for me, i mean think about how many bitcoins this are.

[Kluge]

They're used as commas, not decimal points. Thousands. BTC was a good bit cheaper back then. AFAIK, nobody's sure where Pirate's sheets came from, though Moustakis claims he did have a phone interview with Pirate, so maybe he sent them in hopes of a lesser charge (for example, a civil case rather than criminal).

[BCB]

All of the PDF's included here (That I have posted) came from the US archive.

http://ia800904.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.txed.146063/

[SebastianJu]

They're used as commas, not decimal points. Thousands. BTC was a good bit cheaper back then. AFAIK, nobody's sure where Pirate's sheets came from, though Moustakis claims he did have a phone interview with Pirate, so maybe he sent them in hopes of a lesser charge (for example, a civil case rather than criminal).

In the linked pdf the dots are decimals since the numbers are like 834.32255233 or so. But i dont see the list in the pdf too. Maybe a european compiled that list, the pdf seems to be usa-style.

[Ente]

The pdf is definitely using a . like its done in america. In Europe . and , are used exactly the opposite. So i think its not 150000 but 150BTC instead. 150000 sounds way to much for me, i mean think about how many bitcoins this are.

The list, without any separators, would be:

payb.tc 150501
gigavps 45783
hashking 45680
onefixt 39781
copumpkin 37936 (received 10.5% weekly interest for some reason)
goat 35864
imsaguy 35064
brightanarchist 30486
PatrickHarnett 29140
rpac_internet 27998
rix2000 25100
bitcoinbaltar 25501
brendio 25000
btc4domains 21420
PxJem7Cj 20000
reeses 17682
bwagner 13500
ineededausername 9275

Yes, that's a hundredfifty-thousand bitcoins in the payb.tc passthrough alone.
This is how it sums up to such high USD value back then, such ridiculously high USD value now, and such a mindblowing high percentage of all bitcoins in existance..

Ente

[theymos]

Does the report say how much BTC Shavers actually had at the end? I assume it's a lot less than the total amount owed.

[Kouye]

The SEC alleges that Shavers, who lives in McKinney, Texas, paid 507,148 Bitcoin in investor withdrawals and purported interest payments.  He transferred at least 150,649 Bitcoin to his personal account at an online Bitcoin currency exchange.  Shavers suffered a net loss from his day trading, but realized net proceeds of $164,758 from his sales of 86,202 Bitcoin.  Shavers transferred $147,102 from his personal account at the online Bitcoin currency exchange to accounts he controlled at an online payment processor as well as his personal checking account.  He used this money to pay his rent, utilities, and car-related expenses as well as for food and retail purchases and gambling.

[infested999]

All of the PDF's included here (That I have posted) came from the US archive.

http://ia800904.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.txed.146063/

And where did the archive get that PDF from? You people are so excited about pirate going to jail you don't even know how ridiculous it is that the SEC can do next-level blockchain analysis.

[wachtwoord]

All of the PDF's included here (That I have posted) came from the US archive.

http://ia800904.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.txed.146063/

And where did the archive get that PDF from? You people are so excited about pirate going to jail you don't even know how ridiculous it is that the SEC can do next-level blockchain analysis.

They can't. I presume Trendon opened up the books.

[BCB]

I'm guessing the Internet Archive has an account here and this is where they are pulling the documents from:
http://www.pacer.gov/

[Muis]

They can't. I presume Trendon opened up the books.

It's also possible they just confiscated the btcst.com server/database, that should hold all account-balance info they need.

[wachtwoord]

They can't. I presume Trendon opened up the books.

It's also possible they just confiscated the btcst.com server/database, that should hold all account-balance info they need.

They can confiscate all they want, if Shavers would have wanted the data to be gone, it certainly would have been. I mean it's not exactly rocket science to use a shredder.

[Muis]

They can confiscate all they want, if Shavers would have wanted the data to be gone, it certainly would have been. I mean it's not exactly rocket science to use a shredder.

I'm not so sure about that, for such a low-traffic site its much more likely he used shared-hosting (or a VPS) instead of his own dedicated server, and every hosting provider holds backups of its customers data. So even if he quickly deleted everything, that company would be able to provide the SEC with a recent backup.

[wachtwoord]

If I would do omething really illegal such as running a Ponzi, there is not a chance in hell I'd use anything but my own physical server which would physically be at my disposal to burn.

[Muis]

If I would do omething really illegal such as running a Ponzi, there is not a chance in hell I'd use anything but my own physical server which would physically be at my disposal to burn.

If he would have run the server from his basement (for example) its IP address would have revealed his location and home address easily, so there are drawbacks to that too.