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Author Topic: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Development Status [Batch #1]  (Read 153057 times)
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January 17, 2013, 11:38:27 AM
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So after waiting days for the Avalon team to clarify the claims they made of having 10+ years experience producing ASICs they have failed to address the issue I have raised. I said they would avoid the issue of experience and they have done just that. The Avalon team's silence is thunderous. After all if they tell the community the truth after lying the community would rip them a new orifice and kill their chance of a successful second round of pre-orders. But after Tom's debacle it is unlikely that many would be willing to go the pre-oreder route again when purchasing an ASIC product.

So let's approach the question of Avalon's experience from a different direction. It has been reported that Avalon bought something like 1000 ASIC chips from Tom, sight unseen and untested. The use of Tom's ASIC would require a new PCB, chassis and power supply, bASICally a completely new product. This being true even though Avalon was going to be first to market. A thinking person can see my next question before it is even asked.

If the Avalon team is so skilled in manufacturing an ASIC product why don't they have the confidence in their own product? Why does the Avalon development team believe an untested, still in development ASIC is a better product then the one they have produced?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_EnrVf9u8s

It is becoming increasingly unlikely that Avalon's production run will exceed 300 units. I personally believe that there is a greater than 80% chance that Avalon will become the next failed Bitcion ASIC producer.
Alright, I will bite.

What links do you have to solidly support the idea that Avalon purchases 1000+ ASIC devices (or otherwise) from Tom?


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January 17, 2013, 11:42:53 AM
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Why Avalon beats about the bush? Show us something... You probably have a full room of well-tested packages.
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January 17, 2013, 12:53:32 PM
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Back to the topic;we have  3 days to go for the shipping to occur. I would wager that most people are currently on the fence to see where they'll put their money now. Expect a massive wave of requests for refunds at BFL if Avalon pulls through....

Personally, I wouldn't want a refund unless Avalon's second batch is somehow going to beat BFL's first...and if they can somehow get the power usage down.

I'm somewhat confused by why they aren't showing off shiny ASICs right now.
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January 17, 2013, 01:06:28 PM
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They are either trolling us by letting us here cooking or running away.

I must say that I find it really strange not to have any kind of update. Why should they not update us here if they are on schedule? I fear that something went wrong. (I suggested guys here to resell their order... It would have been a safe and big gain).

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January 17, 2013, 01:07:21 PM
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Did the countdown clock just lose a day or was that me?
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January 17, 2013, 01:25:58 PM
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3 days left, not even a picture
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January 17, 2013, 01:30:28 PM
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So, I put that here Smiley

http://puu.sh/1OQYs
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January 17, 2013, 01:32:42 PM
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I'm not gonna click whatever that is. Post a real URL.  Angry
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January 17, 2013, 01:34:58 PM
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Looks like just a picture

Code:
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Cache-Control: public, max-age=43200
Connection: close
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 xxxx GMT
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Server: cloudflare-nginx
Content-Length: 84438
Content-Type: image/jpeg
Expires: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 xxx GMT
Last-Modified: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 xxx GMT
CF-Cache-Status: HIT
CF-RAY: xxx
Client-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 xxx GMT
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January 17, 2013, 01:35:54 PM
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I'm not gonna click whatever that is. Post a real URL.  Angry

Is a real URL. (paranoid mode on)

Sorry for my bad english Wink
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January 17, 2013, 01:38:37 PM
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I'm not gonna click whatever that is. Post a real URL.  Angry
puu.sh one of many instant screenshot post service...
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January 17, 2013, 01:44:29 PM
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Huh, apparently it is.

These site names get progressively worse.
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January 17, 2013, 01:45:59 PM
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So, I put that here Smiley

http://puu.sh/1OQYs

<ironic>sounds trustworthy to me!</ironic>



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January 17, 2013, 01:48:42 PM
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Didn't you realize that BOTH of your posts are already deleted? You can PM him in your mother tongue if it suits you and him, just don't do it here. Your last few posts are filled with ad-hominem attacks against him, and is off-topic.

Back to the topic;we have  3 days to go for the shipping to occur. I would wager that most people are currently on the fence to see where they'll put their money now. Expect a massive wave of requests for refunds at BFL if Avalon pulls through....
I think I would expect a massive wave of refunds at BFL if Avalon falters just the same.

2 of 3 failures*  is a pretty bad sign in any sane mind. It would probably be enough to scare people into pulling their cash out immediately.

(Not including ASICMINER which is probably a success)


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January 17, 2013, 01:49:25 PM
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So, I put that here Smiley

http://puu.sh/1OQYs

<ironic>sounds trustworthy to me!</ironic>




That irony is a shared affair, apparently. I thought exactly the same.


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January 17, 2013, 01:53:26 PM
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thy are switching all from QFN to BGA  Cheesy

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January 17, 2013, 02:10:33 PM
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thy are switching all from QFN to BGA  Cheesy

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January 17, 2013, 07:33:08 PM
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Time will tell. They certainly have a very long way to go to match bASIC's incredible level of FAIL.

FTFY.

Also, holy unbelievable shit. You're still talking shit on BFL despite having violently defended a company that ACTUALLY went under?

I'm just going to keep repeating "it's an Altera HardCopy" because I haven't the slightest clue what I'm talking about.
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January 17, 2013, 07:45:23 PM
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Time will tell. They certainly have a very long way to go to match bASIC's incredible level of FAIL.
FTFY.

Also, holy unbelievable shit. You're still talking shit on BFL despite having violently defended a company that ACTUALLY went under?
Exactly. Tom stopped talking in December. Avalon team hasn't said hardly anything, even tho they're "days" away from shipping. And Josh has posted pages of information dealing with their chip redesign, and a schedule for the next 3 weeks until they ship. So who's the delusional one in this picture?

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January 17, 2013, 07:54:50 PM
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This point has been made before, but if Avalon is not trying to get people to send them money, there is not a real good reason to expend a lot of effort on proving that they actually have something.

Under the hypothesis that they have gear and a pretty anticipated production rate going forward, a good psychological strategy would actually be to let doubt and accusations build to a crescendo, then just go ahead and make their early deliveries without a lot of fan-fair.  The effect that would have would be to quash a lot of future doubt in whatever projects are to come.

I, of course, have no idea if Avalon is legit, total scam, or something in between.  I hope they are legit because I am starting to feel that it might make sense to get into mining (although not particularly for an immediate profit) and the basic design these guys elude to is compelling to me.

I do wish Avalon were more forthcoming with information, and that they are not counts as a negative to me, but as I mentioned it could be the case that there is not a compelling business case to be.  And they are likely fairly busy.  If they do not take the time to work on transparency at some point I can be pretty confident that they'll not count me as a customer.


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