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November 16, 2012, 03:38:05 AM
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Those look like very efficient machines. Thanks for sharing!

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November 16, 2012, 07:05:34 AM
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Epic  Smiley.
Thanks a lot for photos.
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November 16, 2012, 07:22:04 AM
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For me pictures did not matter at all. It is very clear from the beginning that ngzhang and his team are having access to top manufacturing facilities + their skills make them mine favorites. That is why i "bet" on them! The main difference between them and their competition is that they are "Local" which is a huge advantage. I suggest to leave them work and to loose their time with pictures and such. When they have something to share with us they will do.

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November 16, 2012, 07:41:57 AM
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For me pictures did not matter at all. It is very clear from the beginning that ngzhang and his team are having access to top manufacturing facilities + their skills make them mine favorites. That is why i "bet" on them! The main difference between them and their competition is that they are "Local" which is a huge advantage. I suggest to leave them work and to loose their time with pictures and such. When they have something to share with us they will do.
I have to say, the photos of the manufacturing line is impressive.

Though, I do have high confidence they will do as they say....it never hurts to ask.

In this case, I think the competition will be embarrassed with what they have in comparison.

Perhaps the Avalon dev team should post a thread titled:

"Avalon invests heavily in high speed production equipment"

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Though, it is probably just a production line they have access to as opposed to actual purchases of property. Then again, if they have ready access to it locally, do they really need to purchase it? Probably not....

A question that comes to mind is where would an RMA be sent (for warranty repair)? Would it be sent to a USA address or a China address?

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November 16, 2012, 10:12:53 AM
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If they have any sense they will handle RMA offsite and outside of China, since ShenZhen customs are having a silly season (due to the sudden surge of smuggling over the  LoWu/ Wong Gong boarders with Hong Kong/ Sheung Shui).


Currently if you want to get items into Shenzhen as returns they have to go via Beijing/ ShangHai..... because it is a shit load faster.







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November 16, 2012, 05:53:28 PM
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I have a question. My apologies if its already been answered.

Will the Avalon be able to host other FPGAs/ASICs via USB?

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November 16, 2012, 07:48:48 PM
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I have a question. My apologies if its already been answered.

Will the Avalon be able to host other FPGAs/ASICs via USB?

Yes, but since there's only one USB port, you'll have to use a USB hub.

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November 16, 2012, 08:00:36 PM
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I have a question. My apologies if its already been answered.

Will the Avalon be able to host other FPGAs/ASICs via USB?

Yes, but since there's only one USB port, you'll have to use a USB hub.

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November 17, 2012, 02:31:53 AM
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In view of the situation at Hua Wei and past dealings with Chinese hardware,
I think I would really like to see the embedded network and communication code.

The funniest 'Trojan' I saw was a 'very well known' alarm manufacturer  that allowed the user to enter their own  4 digit 'user code'
But actually 3 of the digits were ignored when checking............

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November 17, 2012, 08:44:12 PM
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In view of the situation at Hua Wei and past dealings with Chinese hardware,
I think I would really like to see the embedded network and communication code.

The funniest 'Trojan' I saw was a 'very well known' alarm manufacturer  that allowed the user to enter their own  4 digit 'user code'
But actually 3 of the digits were ignored when checking............


It's using a Atheros AR7240 / Atheros AR9331 Chipset and it'll run openWRT, you are welcome to look all you want when we release the image.iso in a 2-3 weeks.

We have gotten some impressive people working with Avalon you don't really have to worry about that. For example, Fujitsu is doing our chip packaging.

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November 18, 2012, 03:11:13 AM
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In view of the situation at Hua Wei and past dealings with Chinese hardware,
I think I would really like to see the embedded network and communication code.

The funniest 'Trojan' I saw was a 'very well known' alarm manufacturer  that allowed the user to enter their own  4 digit 'user code'
But actually 3 of the digits were ignored when checking............


It's using a Atheros AR7240 / Atheros AR9331 Chipset and it'll run openWRT, you are welcome to look all you want when we release the image.iso in a 2-3 weeks.

We have gotten some impressive people working with Avalon you don't really have to worry about that. For example, Fujitsu is doing our chip packaging.
Does this mean it is encased in plastic or will the chip be covered with a metal heat spreader?

What are the viable ambient operating temperatures for the Avalon ASIC? (32F > 105F?)

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November 18, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
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I would like to reserve a spot to be in on the second batch prior to the Chinese New Year.

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November 19, 2012, 06:26:09 AM
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Does this mean it is encased in plastic or will the chip be covered with a metal heat spreader?

What are the viable ambient operating temperatures for the Avalon ASIC? (32F > 105F?)

Are you talking about the Atheros AR7240? or the ASIC? I'll assume it is the ASIC in question. I have already released packaging information we'll be using QFN, so yes it is plastic. The current ASIC is designed to operate at ambient temperature of 40C. There will be heat-sinks on both side of the PCB. the unit also designed to create a wind-tunnel like effect for air flow, I'll provide more detail once that test finishes.

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November 19, 2012, 07:30:47 AM
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No pics of the actual devices?
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November 19, 2012, 07:58:41 PM
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No pics of the actual devices?

It is currently not in our favor to release this information.

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November 19, 2012, 10:03:35 PM
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No pics of the actual devices?

It is currently not in our favor to release this information.
What is a [reasonable] timeframe for a render and an actual picture of the Avalon Device?

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November 19, 2012, 11:01:15 PM
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No pics of the actual devices?

It is currently not in our favor to release this information.
What is a [reasonable] timeframe for a render and an actual picture of the Avalon Device?

This isn't a matter that is limited by time. Rather we do not wish to reveal our cards so early because we believe we have truly designed a unique ASIC that's very different from BFL and bASIC. After BFL and Tom starts demoing their devices and perhaps even started to ship them, In other words: Once the competition has demonstrated their device is finished and final, then we will release our information. Unless of course they push their release date back even further, then I think it is safe to say everything shall be revealed before this year ends.

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November 19, 2012, 11:56:06 PM
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No pics of the actual devices?

It is currently not in our favor to release this information.
What is a [reasonable] timeframe for a render and an actual picture of the Avalon Device?

This isn't a matter that is limited by time. Rather we do not wish to reveal our cards so early because we believe we have truly designed a unique ASIC that's very different from BFL and bASIC. After BFL and Tom starts demoing their devices and perhaps even started to ship them, In other words: Once the competition has demonstrated their device is finished and final, then we will release our information. Unless of course they push their release date back even further, then I think it is safe to say everything shall be revealed before this year ends.
It sounds like you have a number of undisclosed features, correct?

Can you start a thread where we can make feature requests for the second/third generation Avalon device? (or would you prefer private feature requests by email?)

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November 20, 2012, 12:59:13 AM
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It sounds like you have a number of undisclosed features, correct?
This is correct.

Can you start a thread where we can make feature requests for the second/third generation Avalon device? (or would you prefer private feature requests by email?)

You are welcome to put suggestions into this thread, PM me on the forum or send me a email. It is your choice to decide the delivery method for your own content.

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November 20, 2012, 02:50:26 AM
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No pics of the actual devices?

It is currently not in our favor to release this information.
What is a [reasonable] timeframe for a render and an actual picture of the Avalon Device?

This isn't a matter that is limited by time. Rather we do not wish to reveal our cards so early because we believe we have truly designed a unique ASIC that's very different from BFL and bASIC. After BFL and Tom starts demoing their devices and perhaps even started to ship them, In other words: Once the competition has demonstrated their device is finished and final, then we will release our information. Unless of course they push their release date back even further, then I think it is safe to say everything shall be revealed before this year ends.

If 2 of your main competitors, BFL and bASIC, are both far enough along into the process of getting ASICs into customers hands as they say they are, then what are your concerns about publicizing this information? It's too late in the game for them to really steal any ideas from you, isn't it?

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