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[Poker Player]

No vault or self-exclusion, that's one of the main factors users that can't withdraw their funds lose most or all of them.

Been there, done that.

Probably, but the fact that the opt-out option is available does not prevent them from losing all their money. As I commented on the other thread:

An acquaintance deposited $10 or so at Pokerstars, played a tournament and won $1,000. He tried to withdraw it but had to wait 24 hours and ended up losing it all.

Many times they either don't know that the option is available or they don't control their impulses to bet again even knowing it and only end up self-excluding when they have lost everything.

[UserU]

Probably, but the fact that the opt-out option is available does not prevent them from losing all their money. As I commented on the other thread:

True that, but at least the responsibility won't entirely fall on the owner should that happen.



If the self-control is strong, the individual will quickly lock their accounts while waiting for the issue to be resolved.

[beerlover]

No vault or self-exclusion, that's one of the main factors users that can't withdraw their funds lose most or all of them.

Been there, done that.

I understand the vault part, because many people want to lock their money away to keep them from gambling until it is withdrawn, that makes sense. However I never understood the pressure casinos get about self-exclusion, why is that? I mean if you want to not gamble and want to keep yourself away from it, then requesting the casino to not earn any money from you makes zero sense. Do you go to apple, or Tesla, or Amazon and say that you want to be excluded? You do not, they wouldn't care about you.

If you want bad stuff examples, then does any cigarette companies decline to sell to you? They would be willing to sell it to a cancer patient let alone a regular person, hell they sell it to kids! How about obese people who can't get any fast food, have you seen anything like that? Self-exclusion is something people force to casinos and no casino should be held accountable for not having it.

[jpcfan]

Just want to clarify something, there was a thread about Bitvest's hot wallet has been emptied and make this gambler can't withdraw his money from Bitvest

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5359651.0

Because can't withdraw his money, he kept playing then he lose all his money (just like i predicted) due to "hot wallet emptied" on bitvest. Someone from bitvest (or Lightlord) can clarify whether it's true or not?

it's me. That was completely true. How come there is a casino that delayed or hold player winning for over 48 hours without a single word to them? Very disappointed, I tried all my best to contact lightlord or zodiac. Tried to cry on the live chat. At the end of the day, I got no single word from the admin or his team. Which is mean this is garbage site, shame on all of you who work for him

If your case was really true, i've warned you to not play again. Just wait for update from bitvest. But instead wait, you were gamble again which i've predicted you will lose in the end. 3 btc isn't small amount, it above $120,000 enough to change someone's lives just with that amount

he should have gotten his fucking withdraw when he requested it.


hey i love bitvest been around since the start.


this is not right, i feel so bad for baodo, he has no clue who owner is and who the mods are.

he was respectful the whole time in chat for the 2 days trying to get is BTC.

even did 100,000 sat trivia a lot of times and 500k sat trivia twice.


this isn't the first time iv seen this happen to a whale at bitvest. happened 2-3 times at least.

[UserU]

I understand the vault part, because many people want to lock their money away to keep them from gambling until it is withdrawn, that makes sense. However I never understood the pressure casinos get about self-exclusion, why is that? I mean if you want to not gamble and want to keep yourself away from it, then requesting the casino to not earn any money from you makes zero sense. Do you go to apple, or Tesla, or Amazon and say that you want to be excluded? You do not, they wouldn't care about you.

If you want bad stuff examples, then does any cigarette companies decline to sell to you? They would be willing to sell it to a cancer patient let alone a regular person, hell they sell it to kids! How about obese people who can't get any fast food, have you seen anything like that? Self-exclusion is something people force to casinos and no casino should be held accountable for not having it.

I'll play the devil's advocate, it indeed hardly makes any sense. You come to play (and lose money), not hold on tight to your wallet. Fast food is a good example. It's obvious they're bad if eaten regularly yet there are regulars and that's how businesses survive because they rely on these kind of customers. Like an oxymoron.

But then, some of them do have some conscience. They understand the risks, yet also give players the control to maintain their composure.

It's easier online than in brick-and-mortar casinos because definitely we won't see anyone ushering some punters out of the door the moment they start losing money

That way if someone loses his/ her life savings and blame it on the casino, they could always wash their hands off by pointing to the self-exclusion.

"You had a choice but you didn't want to!"

So yeah, I do agree that casinos shouldn't be held accountable even if they wouldn't bother considering it, and I'm a gambler myself.

[jrrsparkles]

Just want to clarify something, there was a thread about Bitvest's hot wallet has been emptied and make this gambler can't withdraw his money from Bitvest

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5359651.0

Because can't withdraw his money, he kept playing then he lose all his money (just like i predicted) due to "hot wallet emptied" on bitvest. Someone from bitvest (or Lightlord) can clarify whether it's true or not?

it's me. That was completely true. How come there is a casino that delayed or hold player winning for over 48 hours without a single word to them? Very disappointed, I tried all my best to contact lightlord or zodiac. Tried to cry on the live chat. At the end of the day, I got no single word from the admin or his team. Which is mean this is garbage site, shame on all of you who work for him

If your case was really true, i've warned you to not play again. Just wait for update from bitvest. But instead wait, you were gamble again which i've predicted you will lose in the end. 3 btc isn't small amount, it above $120,000 enough to change someone's lives just with that amount

he should have gotten his fucking withdraw when he requested it.


hey i love bitvest been around since the start.


this is not right, i feel so bad for baodo, he has no clue who owner is and who the mods are.

he was respectful the whole time in chat for the 2 days trying to get is BTC.

even did 100,000 sat trivia a lot of times and 500k sat trivia twice.


this isn't the first time iv seen this happen to a whale at bitvest. happened 2-3 times at least.

Third time if I am not wrong but still there is no response about the hot wallet from the casino side which definitely can damage their reputation which took years for them to build. Atleast now lightlord should address this issue so the players can feel while gambling there.

[janggernaut]

he should have gotten his fucking withdraw when he requested it.


hey i love bitvest been around since the start.


this is not right, i feel so bad for baodo, he has no clue who owner is and who the mods are.

he was respectful the whole time in chat for the 2 days trying to get is BTC.

even did 100,000 sat trivia a lot of times and 500k sat trivia twice.


this isn't the first time iv seen this happen to a whale at bitvest. happened 2-3 times at least.

That being said, he waited it for 2 days but he can't wait it for little longer. Then he busted it all of his wining for 3 BTC. Idk but it seems admin or someone else need to reach lightlord or other admin for this problem, so it won't happened again in the future about "hot wallet emptied".

[aioc]

That being said, he waited it for 2 days but he can't wait it for little longer. Then he busted it all of his wining for 3 BTC. Idk but it seems admin or someone else need to reach lightlord or other admin for this problem, so it won't happened again in the future about "hot wallet emptied".

There's always a temptation to play when your withdrawal is on the waiting list I have bad experienced this many times thinking that I can add more to my withdrawal, this is not right and unethical, reports like these lose the reputation of the gambling site.

I don't want to happen this to happen Bitvest it's one of the oldest gambling sites we have and they have one of the longest signature campaigns here, I used to be a part of the campaign and it saves me financially from participating in the campaign.

[peter0425]

How sad seeing my former company for more than 2 years is having such kind of issue (Im from 777coin same owner as bitvest)  I am still praying and hoping that @lightlord will do necessary action in this matter if He wanted the business continue for long as the 8 years is not that short just to lose reputation because of some irregularities and mishandled.
and if the company really facing troubles then best to address the concern here and decide for what is necessary .

[buwaytress]

Not to disregard all the conversations above -- I do feel bad that people don't know their way around the site, and I do hope those in charge are taking note and doing something about it. Been a long-term user and investor at BV so I'd feel lost if they weren't any longer an option to bankroll a casino!

Just wanted to share that finally, after half a year, the LTC bankroll seems to be doing very well. It's always served me well all these years of course, but after a battering around the time BTC started ATH-ing, it took forever to recover. Today, back in the black almost 10% up actually from just 2 months ago (big hooray).

[Obito]

How sad seeing my former company for more than 2 years is having such kind of issue (Im from 777coin same owner as bitvest)  I am still praying and hoping that @lightlord will do necessary action in this matter if He wanted the business continue for long as the 8 years is not that short just to lose reputation because of some irregularities and mishandled.
and if the company really facing troubles then best to address the concern here and decide for what is necessary .

Hopefully they're addressing the issues right now, and I hope that those that @lightlord has inconvenienced understand how busy of a person he is, @peter0425 can back me up here that there's always delays in payments but @lightlord always makes sure that it's worth the delay. I don't think that they will throw away their reputation anytime soon.

[Mahdirakib]

How sad seeing my former company for more than 2 years is having such kind of issue (Im from 777coin same owner as bitvest)  I am still praying and hoping that @lightlord will do necessary action in this matter if He wanted the business continue for long as the 8 years is not that short just to lose reputation because of some irregularities and mishandled.
and if the company really facing troubles then best to address the concern here and decide for what is necessary .

Bitvest signature campaign manager tried to handle the issue but his effort was valueless as ‘lightlord’ didn't make any response about it. There would be nothing to complain if the user cancelled his withdrawal and lost it within few hours. But he waited for 2 days & tried to reach the admins. I'm not against bitvest but they are fully responsible for this kind of end of the issue.

[AmoreJaz]

How sad seeing my former company for more than 2 years is having such kind of issue (Im from 777coin same owner as bitvest)  I am still praying and hoping that @lightlord will do necessary action in this matter if He wanted the business continue for long as the 8 years is not that short just to lose reputation because of some irregularities and mishandled.
and if the company really facing troubles then best to address the concern here and decide for what is necessary .

Bitvest signature campaign manager tried to handle the issue but his effort was valueless as ‘lightlord’ didn't make any response about it. There would be nothing to complain if the user cancelled his withdrawal and lost it within few hours. But he waited for 2 days & tried to reach the admins. I'm not against bitvest but they are fully responsible for this kind of end of the issue.

just wondering, aside from lightlord, is there anyone else aside from him that can address this type of problem? because from what i've seen, it is always lightlord. if he can't attend to this kind of issue in a timely manner, i believe he needs to assign a trusted person to handle such cases. because this is really a turn off to some players, and they may not come back to the site again, so it is a loss to the site. and yes, i don't think he will ruin the reputation of this site, been long enough in this industry. but this should be handled promptly.

[lienfaye]

How sad seeing my former company for more than 2 years is having such kind of issue (Im from 777coin same owner as bitvest)  I am still praying and hoping that @lightlord will do necessary action in this matter if He wanted the business continue for long as the 8 years is not that short just to lose reputation because of some irregularities and mishandled.
and if the company really facing troubles then best to address the concern here and decide for what is necessary .

Bitvest signature campaign manager tried to handle the issue but his effort was valueless as ‘lightlord’ didn't make any response about it. There would be nothing to complain if the user cancelled his withdrawal and lost it within few hours. But he waited for 2 days & tried to reach the admins. I'm not against bitvest but they are fully responsible for this kind of end of the issue.

just wondering, aside from lightlord, is there anyone else aside from him that can address this type of problem? because from what i've seen, it is always lightlord. if he can't attend to this kind of issue in a timely manner, i believe he needs to assign a trusted person to handle such cases. because this is really a turn off to some players, and they may not come back to the site again, so it is a loss to the site. and yes, i don't think he will ruin the reputation of this site, been long enough in this industry. but this should be handled promptly.

I believe only Lightlord can handle this issue since he is the owner. He has a poor support team who cant attend a support ticket and often it takes days before it was getting handled. Since the owner is quite busy, I think he really need to appoint someone to address the issues as far as his gambling sites are concern. Anyway he is not active for 5 days, I wonder if he knows whats going on with his gambling sites.

[tygeade]

There's always a temptation to play when your withdrawal is on the waiting list I have bad experienced this many times thinking that I can add more to my withdrawal, this is not right and unethical, reports like these lose the reputation of the gambling site.

I don't want to happen this to happen Bitvest it's one of the oldest gambling sites we have and they have one of the longest signature campaigns here, I used to be a part of the campaign and it saves me financially from participating in the campaign.

Yes, that is definitely a big problem. I remember back in the day in a totally different website, I was gambling like crazy and the waiting was long and hot wallet was always empty, so I kept gambling and eventually I had zero as well. This happens way too many times and that temptation is a very hard one to break. We should always be instantly withdrawing our money, there is no ifs or buts about that.

If there is a place with a withdrawal of 24+ hours then it is over for me. I love lightlord, I believe he is as legit as it gets and I believe that he will always be great, but there is no way in the world I would gamble here again until he fixes this. Just be more active or hire a staff, there is no alternative.

[Mahdirakib]

just wondering, aside from lightlord, is there anyone else aside from him that can address this type of problem? because from what i've seen, it is always lightlord. if he can't attend to this kind of issue in a timely manner, i believe he needs to assign a trusted person to handle such cases. ~snip~

I believe only Lightlord can handle this issue since he is the owner. He has a poor support team who cant attend a support ticket and often it takes days before it was getting handled. Since the owner is quite busy, I think he really need to appoint someone to address the issues as far as his gambling sites are concern. ~

Do you think hiring a trusted person would resolve the issue? No, it wouldn't. Because, only admin can refill hot wallet and process a withdrawal. A representative would be useless if the admin isn't reachable. User Zodiac1233 is another admin of Bitvest, but he isn't even active like lightlord. Withdrawal issue (delays) isn't anything new in Bitvest. I'm wondering why they never tried to fix it forever.

[Bitinity]

just wondering, aside from lightlord, is there anyone else aside from him that can address this type of problem? because from what i've seen, it is always lightlord. if he can't attend to this kind of issue in a timely manner, i believe he needs to assign a trusted person to handle such cases. ~snip~

I believe only Lightlord can handle this issue since he is the owner. He has a poor support team who cant attend a support ticket and often it takes days before it was getting handled. Since the owner is quite busy, I think he really need to appoint someone to address the issues as far as his gambling sites are concern. ~

Do you think hiring a trusted person would resolve the issue? No, it wouldn't. Because, only admin can refill hot wallet and process a withdrawal. A representative would be useless if the admin isn't reachable. User Zodiac1233 is another admin of Bitvest, but he isn't even active like lightlord. Withdrawal issue (delays) isn't anything new in Bitvest. I'm wondering why they never tried to fix it forever.

It can be a solution if the hired person is escrowing some funds to refill the hot wallet. The hired person must be an active person so once the hot wallet is getting low, he/she can refill it as soon as possible. However, I do not think lightlord need to hire someone for this thing as he can do it himself. The question is why lightlord seems to be so slow in refilling hot wallet while he is actively monitoring this thread as well as on his own website. So basically once there is a complain for user about empty hot wallet, he should refill it as soon as possible.

[rodskee]

We have suggested enough guys same as in the campaign thread itself for long time there are many advises delivered yet lightlord seems not to care so let them resolve their internal issue and we cannot do anything about that.
this company is running for more than 8 years so i think they are mature enough to know how to handle things.
if we are realy concern about our funds then try to deny playing in this site that is what we can contribute to lessen the issue in the future.
also those who are engaging in the said site are contented and only few has an issue.

[uneng]

Just wanted to share that finally, after half a year, the LTC bankroll seems to be doing very well. It's always served me well all these years of course, but after a battering around the time BTC started ATH-ing, it took forever to recover. Today, back in the black almost 10% up actually from just 2 months ago (big hooray).

Good to know your experience with bankroll investment in Bitvest. I was looking for something like this, because I wasn't sure if there was enough activity in this casino to provide smooth returns.
May I ask more or less what is the percentage this investment in Bitvest generates yearly?

What I know is that years ago it could reach to 50% yearly in another casinos, but I believe it's not so profitable like that anymore.

[robelneo]

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if we are realy concern about our funds then try to deny playing in this site that is what we can contribute to lessen the issue in the future.
also those who are engaging in the said site are contented and only few has an issue.

Just to be fair so far Bitvest has no existing valid threads in the scam section or I'm just not aware of an existing one, but to put Bitvest with the like of 1XBIT is not fair, the right recommendation should be to defer or observe until all issues are resolved, but not deny or stop playing on Bitvest has been in this business for many years, they have active loyal followers they may not be active in this forum, they don't want people recommending for people to support Bitvest, until we see that Bitvest is not addressing issues we should give them a benefit of a doubt.

Of course just my opinion.